Column: Break some eggs, Elizabeth Warren: Drop out and back Bernie.. By John Kass

[mystery-ak]

Column: Break some eggs, Elizabeth Warren: Drop out and back Bernie

By John Kass
Chicago Tribune |
Sep 04, 2019 | 5:00 AM



Should Elizabeth Warren do the right thing and drop out of the Democratic presidential race, so Bernie Sanders can address Joe Biden’s multiple “reality issues” before taking on President Donald Trump?

Yes, immediately.

Bernie can beat Trump. Warren and other Democrats also match up well with Trump, but Sanders has the necessary authenticity. And Biden has a serious flaw.

If you can’t see this, you might just be blind to Joe adrift, lost in his multiverse of fabrications and moist feelings, like a sad sci-fi astronaut with gleaming white teeth in a Netflix movie, unmoored.

For now, the hard-left vote — the spine of the Democratic Party this cycle — remains split between Warren and Sanders. If something’s not done and soon, Biden may ride his whoppers to the Democratic nomination.

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[EdJames]

...but Sanders has the necessary authenticity.

Seriously??

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Seriously??

 

Well, it is the Trib.

[EdJames]

I know that he had a big following in the 2016 primary, in fact he may have actually won a fair fight, but any time I see him on TV he just comes off as an angry, bitter, old, communist.....

 

[Cyber Liberty]

I know that he had a big following in the 2016 primary, in fact he may have actually won a fair fight, but any time I see him on TV he just comes off as an angry, bitter, old, communist.....

 

In a Party of angry, bitter, old Communists.

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@Applewood
@musiclady
@roamer_1

Article said, "For now, the hard-left vote — the spine of the Democratic Party this cycle — remains split between Warren and Sanders. If something’s not done and soon, Biden may ride his whoppers to the Democratic nomination."

I keep looking at the Dems using what I know about historical voting practices of voters - what makes them vote like they do.

I think Warren will be the candidate and for the same reason she becomes the candidate, she will beat Trump.  Please don't do the usual and say I love Warren and hate Trump.  This has to do with how Independents vote and how women will vote this particular election.

Independents vote by emotion as they care not who is Democrat and Republican.  The country is divided about 40% hard core Dems and Reps.  Independents are about 20% and it is that 20% who decides who wins, plus, this time, I put many Rep women voters added to the Independents in this election. 

My opinion is, Independents are sick of every day Trump on TV keeping turmoil going every single day.  They want peace in their house so they don't have to see this turmoil every day - therefore, vote for a Democrat to give them peace.  Also, add they want a more steady number on the stock market, not this every day unknown market dropping hundreds of points, then moving up some.  The market number depends on what Trump says in a tweet - Independents do not want this in their lives.

After Independent voters, women of both parties do not like Trump - his morals, the way he treats women, no point in listing here why women don't like him - you already know that.  Hard core Republican women will/may vote for him, but there are not that many really hard core Republican women country wide, and some of them are going behind the curtain at the voting booth and leaving that box unchecked or vote for a Dem. woman.  That is another reason for Republican non hardcore women to vote for Warren - she is like them, a woman.  Naturally, all Dems will vote for a woman.  Even Dem men will vote for her over Trump - better a woman than him.

It is a long time before the primary and something could happen in the process for my opinion to change, but right now, this is what I see happening.

[Jazzhead]

Thanks for that post, @Victoria33.   You exhibit much wisdom and courage to speak hard truths.

President Trump is not going to be reelected.  The GOP needs to face that reality and decide whether to do something about it.

[Victoria33]

Thanks for that post, @Victoria33.   You exhibit much wisdom and courage to speak hard truths.  President Trump is not going to be reelected.  The GOP needs to face that reality and decide whether to do something about it.

@Jazzhead

Thank you for understanding I am not taking sides, but reporting what the numbers appear to be now.

[truth_seeker]

It has not sunk in with you anti-Trumpers, that his supporters are in "Silent Majority" mode, aka the "Bradley Effect."

They don't answer polls or if they do, they refrain from telling the polster, the truth.

I might be wrong, but I have been more right, than wrong since early 20016.

I think Warren will gain the nomination, since she is smarter than Harris.  But the candidate will be running on the democrat socialist platform, and Trump will not.

Warren will be running to close the coal mines, shut down fracking; lots of jobs. She will be running on some form of taking peoples' health insurance away.

She will be running on boys in the girls' bathrooms, most likely.  She will be running in suupport of the Obama Coup d' etat, with what further is learned by then.

On the positive side for Warren, she is the ideal proxy for Hillary.

Without Trump, she'd be a sure bet against the Dole, McCain, Romney Republican party.

But Trump will fight and fight hard. 

[Applewood]

@truth_seeker
@Victoria33

I suppose when the polls are favorable to Trump, that means Trump supporters do answer polls and do so truthfully.

Trump can count on the votes from his faithful followers, but he still needs the votes of independents and undecideds.  I don't think he has those votes and if he continues with his BS, he won't have those votes come next year.

[truth_seeker]

@truth_seeker
@Victoria33

I suppose when the polls are favorable to Trump, that means Trump supporters do answer polls and do so truthfully.

Trump can count on the votes from his faithful followers, but he still needs the votes of independents and undecideds.  I don't think he has those votes and if he continues with his BS, he won't have those votes come next year.

Do you understand the "Bradley Effect?

To a significant extent, it explains why/how Trump won in 2016, when the polls all said he would not.

Does your TDS block you from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

[Applewood]

Do you understand the "Bradley Effect?

To a significant extent, it explains why/how Trump won in 2016, when the polls all said he would not.

Does your TDS block you from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

I think your TDS and that of your fellow Trump fans blinds you to the reality that a good number of non-fans don't like your hero.

I don't like polls either, but I think you and other Trump fans are blind to the reality that Trump is not winning over enough voters outside of his fans.  Perhaps many of them will vote for Trump because they don't like whoever the Democrats put up.  But I think more will vote third party or write in or stay home next year.

[EasyAce]

In a Party of angry, bitter, old Communists.

And a party of angry bitter young Communists.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think your TDS and that of your fellow Trump fans blinds you to the reality that a good number of non-fans don't like your hero.

I don't like polls either, but I think you and other Trump fans are blind to the reality that Trump is not winning over enough voters outside of his fans.  Perhaps many of them will vote for Trump because they don't like whoever the Democrats put up.  But I think more will vote third party or write in or stay home next year.

You and Jazz need to tell us who to vote for then. All I read is to vote against Trump.

[EasyAce]

Independents vote by emotion as they care not who is Democrat and Republican . . .

@Victoria33

This independent votes according to whom will stand foursquare for freedom.

For individual rights, sovereignty, and responsibility.

For a properly-construed government---whose sole legitimate business, other than protecting and defending us against predators at home (real predators, not mere vicemongers) and enemies actual and provably iminent from abroad, is to stay the hell out of your business, my business, everyone's business, until or unless one would obstruct or abrogate another's equivalent rights.

And, against the improperly-consecrated State that believes its legitimate business to be poking its nose and extending its tentacles into every last cranny of your business, my business, everyone's business, regardless that it is neither competent nor Constitutionally sanctioned to do so.

Seeing none, and lacking a write-in vote in my state, it looks like I'll be voting "None of These Candidates" again next year.

[Applewood]

You and Jazz need to tell us who to vote for then. All I read is to vote against Trump.

And all I read, see and hear is that I have to vote for Trump to "save us" from the Democrats.

I don't tell anyone who to vote for.  If you think Trump is doing a good job, vote for him. 

[Fishrrman]

EdJames wrote (of Sanders):
"...but any time I see him on TV he just comes off as an angry, bitter, old, communist....."

Well... that's because he IS "an angry, bitter, old communist"...

[EdJames]

EdJames wrote (of Sanders):
"...but any time I see him on TV he just comes off as an angry, bitter, old, communist....."

Well... that's because he IS "an angry, bitter, old communist"...

 

[Cyber Liberty]

And all I read, see and hear is that I have to vote for Trump to "save us" from the Democrats.

I don't tell anyone who to vote for.  If you think Trump is doing a good job, vote for him.

I don't think I've said you have to vote for anybody, either.  I apologize if I did because I feel the same way you say...Vote for who you want and if that"s Trump, fine by me.

The easiest thing in the world is to simply find fault in Every.  Single.  Thing.  Trump. Does.  And.  Says.  And I'm getting bloody tired of it.  Not you, specifically because I've seen you praise him.

I just got home from our biweekly TEA Party meeting, had a discussion with my friend, the County Supervisor, and she's shocked at the hatred the Rats show for us.  They don't just hate Trump's guts, they hate each and every one of us, and it doesn't matter if an individual votes for Trump, they still hate that person.  It's assumed if you're a Republican, or a conservative, you are for Trump and must be destroyed whether you voted for him or not.  She's going to the belly of the beast in a couple weeks, to a Democrat meeting down in the County Seat, and she's worried about it, and she's never been worried like that before.  I hope she brings a Deputy with her.

This is very upsetting, one does not need to be a Trump fanbois or wear a MAGA hat to be attacked in the street.  The concept of a CW2 is not a hypothetical anymore, it's on.  The other side is already shooting, and have no problem with taking lives because they've been at work for years dehumanizing us  (longer than Trump's era), in the same manner as Hitler did with the Jews.  The Jews didn't ask for that any more than we are asking for it now, yet here we are.

Interesting times are coming here in my corner of the Desert. My friend is getting together with the Sheriff to take to the Board of Supervisors a plan to declare my County a "Second Amendment Sanctuary," so she was warning us to prepare for trouble if they do it.  The Sheriff would likely start arresting any Federales who attempt to disarm the citizens.

[truth_seeker]

I think your TDS and that of your fellow Trump fans blinds you to the reality that a good number of non-fans don't like your hero.

A view shared with democrats, #nevertrumpers, ABC, CBS, NBC, Wapo, NYT, Google, etc.

and fellow travellors.

[Victoria33]

@truth_seeker

You said: "It has not sunk in with you anti-Trumper..."
Note my post is about likely outcomes, not my opinion of Trump and I said that at the beginning of my post.

You said: "They don't answer polls or if they do, they refrain from telling the polster, the truth."
I was not speaking of poll numbers, I was reporting my evaluation of the situation now based on voting records per specific groups of voters, why they vote like they do and how they will likely respond to the present candidates of both parties.

[Applewood]

A view shared with democrats, #nevertrumpers, ABC, CBS, NBC, Wapo, NYT, Google, etc.

and fellow travellors.

And we are all "enemies of the state. "  Or something.   Pffft!

[Victoria33]

@Cyber Liberty

I was going to select parts of your last post and comment on those parts.  I can't do that because your whole post deserves comment, it is that important.

I agree with you we are in Civil War II.  When our church has to have armed men in every service, we are in trouble.  People are killing people and I see no end of it.

I am concerned as you are, about your County Supervisor.  She must have protection if she has to hire guards herself.   I would say to you not to go to large gatherings as your county and state may have trouble starting.  Put your Macho Man feelings aside and stay alive for your family and the cats.

The guy who killed those people in El Paso, lived less than 20 miles from this house.  He left here and went to El Paso.  No one is safe anywhere in this country and that is the truth.  It is a Civil War when citizens across the country in this group or that group or the other group, turn on each other and kill not caring how many innocents are killed.

Although I can't stand you as a Mod/Administrator/whatever, I don't want you hurt.      

[EasyAce]

I think your TDS and that of your fellow Trump fans blinds you to the reality that a good number of non-fans don't like your hero.

@Applewood
The syndrome of political parties selecting not just candidates but "heroes," and even not just "heroes" but the next best thing to downright saviours, took hold long before President Tweety was a blip on the political radar. Whether it was the candidates presenting themselves as The Ones, the parties hoisting them as The Ones (and if you're my age or close enough you might still remember "Nixon's the One" as a campaign slogan in 1968, to name one such example), or both. And unless there's a heretofore unexpected awakening among men and women of any station in life, the syndrome isn't likely to dissipate any time soon.