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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #400 on: August 14, 2019, 04:28:31 pm »

(Pssst...it's "for all intents and purposes."  :laugh: :police: )

LOL! You say potato..I say po-tahto   :silly:
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #401 on: August 14, 2019, 04:28:48 pm »
I want to know what Jazzhead thinks about the topic of this thread.

I'd like to know what he really thinks, because it cannot be what he avers.

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #402 on: August 14, 2019, 04:51:52 pm »
What you call "schemes" are laws passed by the peoples' elected representatives.

Like The Fugitive Slave Act?   
You act as if those representatives accurately represent. And as if they are incapable of getting it wrong, but continue.
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If you want to engage in armed rebellion, rather than working within the framework of our constitutional republic to change minds, leaders and laws,  then may you die swiftly and with minimal suffering.   Just so long as no peace officer's family needs to be told their daddy is dead at the hands of a selfish nutjob.
There you go, again, equating standing up for a Right with armed insurrection and evil. It is just that sort of ridiculous hyperbole that you, the media, and such notable statespersons as Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein use to shape the argument in the public eye, with the wholehearted help of the Leftist Media.
If you honestly believe such people have the best solutions for the problems of this Republic, then vote for them, but seriously, don't urinate on our heads and tell us it is raining.
As for all who would surrender their Rights, for the illusion of protection, those who would surrender liberty for the illusion of safety deserve neither. As has been pointed out to you, the utility of firearms in a rural contest is much like the utility of a chainsaw. Folks who live in cities understand neither, likely don't own one, haven't ever held or used one. We get that.
You act as if anyone, especially those who have engaged in combat, would wish to again have these shores bloodied by internal conflict, or even conflict between Americans on a grand scale. WHile Conservatives have asserted their Rights to remain armed (as much as a deterrent to the totalitarian dreams of the Left as anything), we understand the horror it would perpetrate upon our progeny, our kin, and our communities to have such conflict. We aren't insisting on anything of the kind, in fact, we are just insisting on maintaining the means to respond in a meaningful fashion should such be thrust upon us. THe millions who were carried like cattle in the 40 & 8s of Europe are mute testimony to what happens to a people who are deprived of the means to resist.
It is, instead, the Leftists, the Communists, the totalitarian wannabes who have been calling for violent revolution since the 1960s, and are growing more shrill with the divisive babble from the Left, from Congresspersons and Senators, from professional agitators, from the street level Alinskyites who, well 'community organized', are daily promoting violence and revolution.  Who is calling for blood? Not Conservatives, not gunowners who  want to retain their property and Rights, but those who want to take those items away and quash that Right, with all others soon to follow. It would be foolish to disarm in the face of that nonsense, it would only encourage such more.

Note that Rights are not about what the majority wants (that's that whole "Democracy" fallacy),

Rights simply are.

Our government was founded on the principle of protecting those Rights, from the masses, including those who would use the power of government to deny them. Departure from that is not in keeping with the Constitution, and not in keeping with the intent of those who crafted this Republic.

As for wishing me a painful death, I leave you with the words of Sam Adams...“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
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« Reply #403 on: August 14, 2019, 04:55:36 pm »
To the contrary,  I have advocated time and again to take steps to strengthen and codify the individual RKBA. .

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« Reply #404 on: August 14, 2019, 04:56:40 pm »
So why do you threaten to withhold your vote from Sen. McSally unless she sees things your absolutist way?    Will having a Dem as your Senator help to secure your precious right?

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No, but then, neither will the Republican. So what is the difference?

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #405 on: August 14, 2019, 05:00:46 pm »
So I am the only one here not consumed by cynicism and paranoia?    That I do not believe.   The President himself is willing to support new laws to address mass shootings.
Well that wouldn't be the first time someone I didn't vote for was willing to throw my Rights to the wolves, now would it?
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« Reply #406 on: August 14, 2019, 05:04:05 pm »

Like The Fugitive Slave Act?   
You act as if those representatives accurately represent. And as if they are incapable of getting it wrong, but continue. There you go, again, equating standing up for a Right with armed insurrection and evil. It is just that sort of ridiculous hyperbole that you, the media, and such notable statespersons as Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein use to shape the argument in the public eye, with the wholehearted help of the Leftist Media.
If you honestly believe such people have the best solutions for the problems of this Republic, then vote for them, but seriously, don't urinate on our heads and tell us it is raining.
As for all who would surrender their Rights, for the illusion of protection, those who would surrender liberty for the illusion of safety deserve neither. As has been pointed out to you, the utility of firearms in a rural contest is much like the utility of a chainsaw. Folks who live in cities understand neither, likely don't own one, haven't ever held or used one. We get that.
You act as if anyone, especially those who have engaged in combat, would wish to again have these shores bloodied by internal conflict, or even conflict between Americans on a grand scale. WHile Conservatives have asserted their Rights to remain armed (as much as a deterrent to the totalitarian dreams of the Left as anything), we understand the horror it would perpetrate upon our progeny, our kin, and our communities to have such conflict. We aren't insisting on anything of the kind, in fact, we are just insisting on maintaining the means to respond in a meaningful fashion should such be thrust upon us. THe millions who were carried like cattle in the 40 & 8s of Europe are mute testimony to what happens to a people who are deprived of the means to resist.
It is, instead, the Leftists, the Communists, the totalitarian wannabes who have been calling for violent revolution since the 1960s, and are growing more shrill with the divisive babble from the Left, from Congresspersons and Senators, from professional agitators, from the street level Alinskyites who, well 'community organized', are daily promoting violence and revolution.  Who is calling for blood? Not Conservatives, not gunowners who  want to retain their property and Rights, but those who want to take those items away and quash that Right, with all others soon to follow. It would be foolish to disarm in the face of that nonsense, it would only encourage such more.

Note that Rights are not about what the majority wants (that's that whole "Democracy" fallacy),

Rights simply are.


Our government was founded on the principle of protecting those Rights, from the masses, including those who would use the power of government to deny them. Departure from that is not in keeping with the Constitution, and not in keeping with the intent of those who crafted this Republic.

As for wishing me a painful death, I leave you with the words of Sam Adams...“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

It seems that we have a few that don't understand this.  They also can't seem to comprehend (try as many have to thoroughly explain it) that the natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms existed long before, and totally independent of, Amendment II.

Amendment II was drafted into the Bill of Rights as an explicit safeguard against the government from ever thinking about infringing upon it.

So simple, yet resisted so thoroughly....


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« Reply #407 on: August 14, 2019, 05:04:22 pm »
(Pssst...it's "for all intents and purposes."  :laugh: :police: )

You mean, 'for all intensive porpoises'.  happy77 :beer:

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« Reply #408 on: August 14, 2019, 05:05:27 pm »
There have been numerous instances of LEO lives being saved by private citizens with legal guns!
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Yep! And the chance of doing so with an accurate rifle is far better than with a pistol, especially over 25 yards.And that semiautomatic? "large" magazines? Well, suppressive fire can give someone the opportunity to drag a wounded person out of harm's way. It can make the difference between life and death.
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« Reply #409 on: August 14, 2019, 05:08:47 pm »
It seems that we have a few that don't understand this.  They also can't seem to comprehend (try as many have to thoroughly explain it) that the natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms existed long before, and totally independent of, Amendment II.

Amendment II was drafted into the Bill of Rights as an explicit safeguard against the government from ever thinking about infringing upon it.

So simple, yet resisted so thoroughly....

Absolutely right!  100%
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« Reply #410 on: August 14, 2019, 05:10:57 pm »
I've been thinking about this insight and truly believe that the national government is the problem. Our nation is too large to be run by a central government and are living through the consequences of the national power grab.

It is past time to break up into separate countries with like-minded states banding together. When you have such opposite states as Texas and California advocating for secession, will it become a reality?
We tried that once. That's how we ended up being The United States instead of These United States. That conflict sealed the deal.

What we need is reigning in Federal Power, returning to the Constitutional Duties of the Fed without legal gymnastics to stretch those powers, and returning the bulk of those powers to the States, and letting the States decide and fund their own programs. I think that would cut a lot of the excess. Peoplewould be able to live under the government that best suits them. To some degree, the Left has partially done this (ironic, what?) by ignoring immigration and drug laws in some states. They just want to have their cake and eat ours too.
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« Reply #411 on: August 14, 2019, 05:12:52 pm »
Sadly, you are correct, even if there is no predicate act.
It is a two edged sword. In some cases, it is enough to put some nasty people away. On the other hand, opportunities for entrapment, especially with those plied with liquor or other substances, are ripe.
Loose lips and all that.
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« Reply #412 on: August 14, 2019, 05:14:59 pm »
Breaking on Fox News:

Multiple officers hurt in Philadelphia shoot out.
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« Reply #413 on: August 14, 2019, 05:19:38 pm »
I certainly will. Mind police are for socialists.

And never ever at the federal level.
Bear on your  porch? You must be crazy....say the people who live here:
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« Reply #414 on: August 14, 2019, 05:21:43 pm »
Bear on your  porch? You must be crazy....say the people who live here:


If ever there was a place where carrying a gun would be necessary...it’s there.
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« Reply #415 on: August 14, 2019, 05:22:11 pm »
Absolutely right!  100%

Here is a secret!   888mouth

Between you and me and the lamp post, the reason that I posted that video in the thread starter was that I thought it may be a way to begin to open some minds to the truth of our founding principles....

And via discussion of the content, we would possibly make progress to dispelling the misguided notions that allow some to spring forth with their invalid and illicit appeals to emotions and political expediency.  For if one truly understands the basis of natural law, one can not argue in good faith to use the violence of government to abolish or erode them.

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« Reply #416 on: August 14, 2019, 05:22:43 pm »
Bear on your  porch? You must be crazy....say the people who live here:

Nobody really needs a gun... AmIRight?  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #417 on: August 14, 2019, 05:23:45 pm »
Oh, cut the crap.   I have no goal or desire to "take away firearms from 80-plus million people".   Stop this baldface lying about my position. 

To the contrary,  I have advocated time and again to take steps to strengthen and codify the individual RKBA.   You're going to lose it, especially if your obsession with this single issue causes you to fail to vote for your Republican candidates for office.    One SCOTUS vote away . . . .
Bullshit, @Jazzhead You want to codify the RKBA to reduce it to something passed as a law, because that law can be revoked or repealed.

The Right exists.

If you want the "registration and insurance" you are arguing for one of the precursors to confiscation, and history bears that out. You can't ignore the inevitable result of that which you advocate--nor can anyone here.
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« Reply #418 on: August 14, 2019, 05:33:09 pm »
:silly:  :silly:

My God, this is paranoid nonsense.
You keep with the laughing guys and trying to paint me as a paranoid.

Nope. Just a student of history, and I have read your nonsensical babble from the git-go.
 
The things you advocate inevitably lead to the loss of property and freedom, and often life. Tell it to the Kulaks, the Jews of Europe of the 1930s, those who fell under Mao, or Pol Pot or PapaDoc or Idi Amin, or BabyDoc, or Che and Castro, and the list goes on. Well over 100 million people were murdered by their own governments in the last century, and you say I'm paranoid?
Nope. I'm rightfully concerned that the same mechanisms which enabled those slaughters are not imposed upon the American People. I have five kids and step children (all treated the same), over a dozen grand children, nearly that many great-grandchildren, and far more to think of than just me.
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« Reply #419 on: August 14, 2019, 05:34:47 pm »
Here is a secret!   888mouth

Between you and me and the lamp post, the reason that I posted that video in the thread starter was that I thought it may be a way to begin to open some minds to the truth of our founding principles....

And via discussion of the content, we would possibly make progress to dispelling the misguided notions that allow some to spring forth with their invalid and illicit appeals to emotions and political expediency.  For if one truly understands the basis of natural law, one can not argue in good faith to use the violence of government to abolish or erode them.

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Kudos on the attempt, @EdJames , but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Typical Leftists, fingers in their ears, shouting LALALALALALALALA.....
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #420 on: August 14, 2019, 05:39:24 pm »
Note that Rights are not about what the majority wants (that's that whole "Democracy" fallacy),

Rights simply are.

Our government was founded on the principle of protecting those Rights, from the masses, including those who would use the power of government to deny them. Departure from that is not in keeping with the Constitution, and not in keeping with the intent of those who crafted this Republic.

As for wishing me a painful death, I leave you with the words of Sam Adams...“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Rights are not subject to a vote, or a Court's decision (no matter how corrupt the Court is).  God giveth, and only God can taketh away.

Thanks for the Sam Adams.  He's not just a good beer.
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« Reply #421 on: August 14, 2019, 05:41:51 pm »
Here is a secret!   888mouth

Between you and me and the lamp post, the reason that I posted that video in the thread starter was that I thought it may be a way to begin to open some minds to the truth of our founding principles....

And via discussion of the content, we would possibly make progress to dispelling the misguided notions that allow some to spring forth with their invalid and illicit appeals to emotions and political expediency.  For if one truly understands the basis of natural law, one can not argue in good faith to use the violence of government to abolish or erode them.

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From my perspective, you did great!  I churned some of my best material here.
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« Reply #422 on: August 14, 2019, 05:42:28 pm »
Here is a secret!   888mouth

Between you and me and the lamp post, the reason that I posted that video in the thread starter was that I thought it may be a way to begin to open some minds to the truth of our founding principles....

And via discussion of the content, we would possibly make progress to dispelling the misguided notions that allow some to spring forth with their invalid and illicit appeals to emotions and political expediency.  For if one truly understands the basis of natural law, one can not argue in good faith to use the violence of government to abolish or erode them.

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It may well have done exactly that @EdJames .  Many of the people who visit these latitudes never say a single word.
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« Reply #423 on: August 14, 2019, 05:42:42 pm »
If ever there was a place where carrying a gun would be necessary...it’s there.
But they are practically forbidden...

...and 176 homicides to date in NYC, being touted as a 'drop in crime'.

**nononono*

In the meantime, no homicides here (maybe a few coyotes, prairie dogs, or gophers shot, though)...

But the people who live in the hive want to make rules for those in the badlands, even though they've never seen them.
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« Reply #424 on: August 14, 2019, 05:44:28 pm »
I'd like to know what he really thinks, because it cannot be what he avers.

(I was a fan of WF Buckley.)

It just doesn't seem right to come onto a thread and take up so much of the oxygen without knowing what you're talking about.   :shrug:

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« Reply #425 on: August 14, 2019, 05:45:46 pm »
Breaking on Fox News:

Multiple officers hurt in Philadelphia shoot out.

Temple U,  drug bust gone bad, several officers hit.
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« Reply #426 on: August 14, 2019, 05:45:55 pm »
But the people who live in the hive want to make rules for those in the badlands, even though they've never seen them.

That makes me want to get on a paint pony and see what's over the rise... Pretty country.

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« Reply #427 on: August 14, 2019, 05:46:49 pm »
You mean, 'for all intensive porpoises'.  happy77 :beer:


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« Reply #428 on: August 14, 2019, 05:46:58 pm »
Bear on your  porch? You must be crazy....say the people who live here:


That reminds me...the 'Yotes are back.
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« Reply #429 on: August 14, 2019, 05:47:46 pm »
From my perspective, you did great!  I churned some of my best material here.

 :yowsa: One of the best threads I've seen in ages.
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« Reply #430 on: August 14, 2019, 05:48:56 pm »
Beautiful country, @Smokin Joe.

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« Reply #431 on: August 14, 2019, 05:49:07 pm »
Temple U,  drug bust gone bad, several officers hit.

4 possibly 5 now wounded.
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« Reply #432 on: August 14, 2019, 05:51:45 pm »
It just doesn't seem right to come onto a thread and take up so much of the oxygen without knowing what you're talking about.   :shrug:

It's telling we don't really know.   :shrug: :shrug:
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« Reply #433 on: August 14, 2019, 05:53:13 pm »
:yowsa: One of the best threads I've seen in ages.

I'll have you know, I resisted "the urge" a couple times, thanks to your sound advice!  I'm learning.
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« Reply #435 on: August 14, 2019, 05:56:50 pm »
Bear on your  porch? You must be crazy....say the people who live here:


It’s exciting when you’re young and moving out to the city, and you first walk up those subway steps onto the streets of Manhattan. You’re immediately struck be the rush of people moving with urgency and purpose, the street vendors and narrow storefronts lining the avenues, the stream of yellow cabs, and the noise!

A lot of people come here with dreams of making it in New York, New York. And, if you don’t hit it big, at least you had a blast and stories to tell your grand kids.
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« Reply #436 on: August 14, 2019, 05:57:53 pm »


LOL!  :beer:

For some reason I feel like I need to salute or something.  :shrug:

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« Reply #437 on: August 14, 2019, 06:00:39 pm »
I'll have you know, I resisted "the urge" a couple times, thanks to your sound advice!  I'm learning.

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« Reply #438 on: August 14, 2019, 06:02:13 pm »
It’s exciting when you’re young and moving out to the city, and you first walk up those subway steps onto the streets of Manhattan. You’re immediately struck be the rush of people moving with urgency and purpose, the street vendors and narrow storefronts lining the avenues, the stream of yellow cabs, and the noise!

A lot of people come here with dreams of making it in New York, New York. And, if you don’t hit it big, at least you had a blast and stories to tell your grand kids.

UGH... No thanks.

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« Reply #439 on: August 14, 2019, 06:20:27 pm »
UGH... No thanks.

When I was a lad I clearly wanted out of the farm belt, and into a warm city in the South.  I knew I did not want a New York kind of a city (I'd been to Chicago several times), so I settled for Phoenix Suburbia where I could get a good job.

That era is O V E R.  We're on the far edge of a mid-sized city now, in our own Castle with a private bar.  The Mrs. and I love it.  Barron foothills rise above us on one side, and a view of the Casino Resorts of Laughlin below, with a range of mountains as backdrop all around.  360 degree porches, too, on both floors.  But for the 110F plus temps you would probably like it well enough.
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« Reply #440 on: August 14, 2019, 06:26:01 pm »
It’s exciting when you’re young and moving out to the city, and you first walk up those subway steps onto the streets of Manhattan. You’re immediately struck be the rush of people moving with urgency and purpose, the street vendors and narrow storefronts lining the avenues, the stream of yellow cabs, and the noise!

A lot of people come here with dreams of making it in New York, New York. And, if you don’t hit it big, at least you had a blast and stories to tell your grand kids.

I remember driving through NYC when I was 18.  Couldn't get out of there fast enough.  Different strokes.

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« Reply #441 on: August 14, 2019, 06:29:41 pm »
I remember driving through NYC when I was 18.  Couldn't get out of there fast enough.  Different strokes.

I've been there more times than I can count but never once by choice.  Unless wanting to remain gainfully employed counts as a choice.
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« Reply #442 on: August 14, 2019, 06:44:17 pm »
When I was a lad I clearly wanted out of the farm belt, and into a warm city in the South.  I knew I did not want a New York kind of a city (I'd been to Chicago several times), so I settled for Phoenix Suburbia where I could get a good job.


I was born in Chicago, came out here in 5/6th grade...  Went back a handful of times to visit, the last of which was better then 30 years ago. There is nothing at all back east for me. Not a thing.

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That era is O V E R.  We're on the far edge of a mid-sized city now, in our own Castle with a private bar.  The Mrs. and I love it.  Barron foothills rise above us on one side, and a view of the Casino Resorts of Laughlin below, with a range of mountains as backdrop all around.  360 degree porches, too, on both floors.  But for the 110F plus temps you would probably like it well enough.

I have always wanted to see the desert.The closest I came was Animas Canyon/Moab country.
Never seen an ocean either. Might could get talked into heading for Dixie, or another trip to see my kin in the southern plains... But to tell you the truth, it'd have to be the right woman to come along and pry my roots out of this rocky ground. I'm in God's Country, and if I never get 100 miles from right here, that'd suit me fine.

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« Reply #443 on: August 14, 2019, 06:48:37 pm »
I was born in Chicago, came out here in 5/6th grade...  Went back a handful of times to visit, the last of which was better then 30 years ago. There is nothing at all back east for me. Not a thing.

I have always wanted to see the desert.The closest I came was Animas Canyon/Moab country.
Never seen an ocean either. Might could get talked into heading for Dixie, or another trip to see my kin in the southern plains... But to tell you the truth, it'd have to be the right woman to come along and pry my roots out of this rocky ground. I'm in God's Country, and if I never get 100 miles from right here, that'd suit me fine.

I've lived in the desert purt near 40 years now, and it agrees with me and the Missus.  I saw the Ocean Sunday on our travels to San Diego/Orange Counties.  I never lived by the ocean, but the Missus did for a long time.  I asked her the other day if she misses it, and she said, "No, it's boring.  Mountains are exciting."  She misses the family there, which we rectified last weekend.

ETA:  Until a year ago, I lived in the Sonoran Desert, now I'm in the Mojave Desert.  Two different natural worlds.
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« Reply #444 on: August 14, 2019, 07:24:21 pm »
It’s exciting when you’re young and moving out to the city, and you first walk up those subway steps onto the streets of Manhattan. You’re immediately struck be the rush of people moving with urgency and purpose, the street vendors and narrow storefronts lining the avenues, the stream of yellow cabs, and the noise!

A lot of people come here with dreams of making it in New York, New York. And, if you don’t hit it big, at least you had a blast and stories to tell your grand kids.
Yeah, I enjoyed my visit in '74, up on the Empire State Building, seeing who could spot the most hookers for a dime in the telescopes...

But live there? No thanks, no way. I really like being able to see the stars (celestial) at night.
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« Reply #445 on: August 14, 2019, 07:34:42 pm »
Yeah, I enjoyed my visit in '74, up on the Empire State Building, seeing who could spot the most hookers for a dime in the telescopes...

But live there? No thanks, no way. I really like being able to see the stars (celestial) at night.

A neat feature in my new Castle.  In Phoenix, I could not see the Milky Way at all, nor the vast majority of the stars.  I see them now.
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« Reply #446 on: August 14, 2019, 08:39:59 pm »
We've had our share of screw ups and misfits...happens even in a professional army...but for the most part we're still the best around...there's more than a few old school guys like me left around that are teaching these new kids what right looks like.

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I am sure of that. All military units are what they are based on the leadership ability of the commanding officer,and the command Sergeant-Major. If the CO is a slacker just filling time while waiting for a hand-picked "slot to the stars" to open up for him,chances are it's like the ones I described.

If it is one of those units that has a hard-charger at the top who cares more about training and readiness than he does sucking up and flying to DC on weekends,chances are it is a good unit.

The last conventional unit I was in was a NG Signal unit out of Texas stationed at Nha Trang. I was sent there because when I reported into the SFOB at Nha Trang in 68, I had a dislocated shoulder and a pulled muscle in my back. If I had already been signed in,it wouldn't have been a problem,but they couldn't keep me with those profiles. 90 days later my profile ended,and SGM Odom send a driver over in a jeep to pick me up,and I was happy again. There was not ONE SINGLE NCO or Officer in that unit that wasn't a slacker piece of crap,hiding out in that signal company to pull their VN tour while making certain they were never exposed to fire.  I got into a dust-up with a 1st Lt one day because I spotted his infantry insignia on his lapel,and asked him why he was there instead of a line unit. I was honestly curious,but he thought I was screwing with him and threatened to beat my ass if I ever asked him something like that again.  He came to regret that within seconds. Luckily for me,I had witnesses to being threatened with violence by him,so he couldn't do squat. I didn't even hurt the SOB. I just scared him a little. Come to find out he came from a political family in Texas,and they used their influence to make sure "Precious" served his tour like the hero he was,but never had to go on patrols.

My job there was a the company armorer. I had been trained as a communications center specialist right after basic,but had never even been close to a com center since graduating from Signal School and going to jump school. Since I was useless for anything else,they made me the company armorer. M-14's locked away in rifle racks in squad bays,and the ammo and mags were in a munitions bunker nearby. I was the only enlisted swine in the company with the keys to the ammo bunker. The rest of the guys would get on a bus in the morning or in the evening,depending on their shift,and ride to a commo center downtown to work their 12 hour shifts before coming back to the barracks.

It was like serving time. I really didn't have anything to do,and was bored out of my mind. Because of this I spent most of my time over at the SFOB,drinking in the Delta or Recondo Club bars,and reminding SGM Odom that I needed a new home. One of the happiest days of my life was when that MSG showed up in that jeep with orders returning me to the 5th.

The US Army is one of the greatest jobs in the world if you are working with professionals,but sucks beyond all belief if you are in a unit populated with NCO's and officers who are clowns just trying to put in their 20 while doing the absolute minimum.
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« Reply #447 on: August 14, 2019, 08:44:54 pm »
Advise them that the order is one that appears for all tense and purposes to be an unlawful order and that they were not under any obligation to carry it out.  I'd tell them to do what they think their conscience can handle and that any decision from that point forward was their to make...but I personally would not make them carry out that order under any circumstances.

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« Reply #448 on: August 14, 2019, 08:49:41 pm »
Yep! And the chance of doing so with an accurate rifle is far better than with a pistol, especially over 25 yards.And that semiautomatic? "large" magazines? Well, suppressive fire can give someone the opportunity to drag a wounded person out of harm's way. It can make the difference between life and death.

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For any of you who don't know,"suppressive fire" is weapons fire aimed in the general direction of the enemy regardless of if they can be seen,or not. It's purpose is to make them keep their heads down and not fire at your troops as they maneuver to advance on the enemy forces,retrieve wounded left laying in the open,etc,etc,etc.

Truth to tell,there seems to be damn little aimed fire once the cork pops and the party starts.
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« Reply #449 on: August 14, 2019, 08:51:45 pm »
Nobody really needs a gun... AmIRight?  *****rollingeyes*****


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