House GOP fears retirement wave will lead to tsunami

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot
That ol score has been around so long, and the impurity is so great that y'all ARE the other side, right along with the other side.

The whole thing is a bullcrap sport, with nothing there but jerseys and ball caps.

Y'all are happily eating a multi-trillion dollar increase for nothing other than a chance to poke the other side in the eye. Big government  - y'all just think you can do it better than the dems.
 

@roamer_1

It's not that at all.   I don't give a damn about 3 generations in the future.

I selfishly only care about maintaining this Republic as the Founders intended for myself, my five children, four daughters-in-law and six grandchildren.

I would selfishly expect anybody who isn't a declared Democrat or any other political ideology to want the same thing.

The choice is personal freedoms vs. becoming a slave to the State.

Stop jerking around with this high horse virtue crap.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

It's not that at all.   I don't give a damn about 3 generations in the future.

I selfishly only care about maintaining this Republic as the Founders intended for myself, my five children, four daughters-in-law and six grandchildren.

Ahh... So only TWO generations in the future...  Speaking for myself, 'Securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity' should forever be extending far into the future.

I would selfishly expect anybody who isn't a declared Democrat or any other political ideology to want the same thing.

The choice is personal freedoms vs. becoming a slave to the State.
Stop jerking around with this high horse virtue crap.

And what exactly makes you think that TRILLIONS more in debt is making you free @DCPatriot ?
What personal freedom have you preserved?

American Conservatism Starts in the idea that liberty is couched firmly in Federalism - In civil libertarianism and small government.

WHERE IS THAT?

[DCPatriot]

I'm too old to sit and argue with you.

Would rather have a prostate resection.   

[txradioguy]

Ahh... So only TWO generations in the future...  Speaking for myself, 'Securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity' should forever be extending far into the future.

And what exactly makes you think that TRILLIONS more in debt is making you free @DCPatriot ?
What personal freedom have you preserved?

American Conservatism Starts in the idea that liberty is couched firmly in Federalism - In civil libertarianism and small government.

WHERE IS THAT?

 

[roamer_1]

I'm too old to sit and argue with you.

Would rather have a prostate resection.   

@DCPatriot
That's fine pal... No fault no foul...

But if it doesn't even adhere to the very basis of Conservatism, How can you call it such?
There's the problem. I don't care what you do - That's your business. Knock yourself out. And where we meet, hail fellow, well met.

Just don't call it Conservatism, because by definition, it ain't. Which circles me right back around to the beginning of this latest episode - Why should I, as a Reaganite Conservative, vote for your guy and your agenda  when it is not Conservative? When I legitimately see your movement and your leader as espousing big government liberalism?

[Smokin Joe]

The only "affirmation" is that they aren't as shitty as the candidate of the other party against whom you are running in the general election.  And generally, I'd say that a RINO is better than, say, Elizabeth Warren.  You may disagree.  Also, incumbents -- including RINOs -- are all very well away that just because they won one primary, and one general election, doesn't mean they are immune from being tossed out next time.  Most know that their win was opponent-dependent, and if the opponent changes to someone the voters like better, they'll lose.

Great campaign slogan. Vote for our guy because he's less shitty. (Hell, I bet the sonofagun has electrolytes, too!) --In essence, that is what has brought this great nation to this precipice.
 Less shitty is still shitty.

Are you talking about "the platform"?

If so, I don't think it is quite meaningless - it is often a basic statement of where the center of that party actually lies.  It is useful to compare the platform of one party against the platform of the other as general guidance.  But not every individual candidate is going to be fully supportive of every single thing in a platform.  So, it isn't binding, and it isn't a guarantee of what will be accomplished.  Exactly how much use it is...probably very little.

If it is just a suggestion, it isn't much to stand on.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Great campaign slogan. Vote for our guy because he's less shitty. (Hell, I bet the sonofagun has electrolytes, too!) --In essence, that is what has brought this great nation to this precipice.
 Less shitty is still shitty.  If it is just a suggestion, it isn't much to stand on.

That's not the "slogan".  There clearly will be a lot of people voting for a guy because they really like him.  My point is that the mere fact that you're casting a vote for a guy does not mean you are a fan of everything about him, and may simply be trying to keep an opponent you believe to be worse out of power.

Or -- perhaps more likely -- there are things about the candidate you like, some things you don't, but you think the good outweighs the bad in comparison to the opponent.  Anyone who considers a vote for a candidate equivalent to agreeing with that candidate on every single issue, and an endorsement of every person foible and idiosyncracy, is being willfully obtuse.  Only the most pendantic twit would argue that everyone who voted for George W. Bush thought him getting a DUI was fantastic, or that those who voted for Trump saw nothing at all wrong with Trump's "grab them by the bleep" comment.

[Jazzhead]

Great campaign slogan. Vote for our guy because he's less shitty

That's the choice many of us will be facing next year.   It shouldn't have to be that way.  And the bottom line is lots of folks will, like @roamer_1 , stay home.   I seem to recall that Romney got more popular votes in 2012 than either Clinton or Trump received in 2016.   What a shitty choice that was.     

Why are we so cowed and submissive that we don't demand better???

[musiclady]

That's not the "slogan".  There clearly will be a lot of people voting for a guy because they really like him.  My point is that the mere fact that you're casting a vote for a guy does not mean you are a fan of everything about him, and may simply be trying to keep an opponent you believe to be worse out of power.

Or -- perhaps more likely -- there are things about the candidate you like, some things you don't, but you think the good outweighs the bad in comparison to the opponent.  Anyone who considers a vote for a candidate equivalent to agree with that candidate on every single issue, and an endorsement of every person foible and idiosyncracy, is being willfully obtuse.  Only the most pendantic twit would argue that everyone who voted for George W. Bush thought him getting a DUI was fantastic, or that those who voted for Trump saw nothing at all wrong with Trump's "grab them by the bleep" comment.

This is a serious question, because I know you are a thoughtful person @Maj. Bill Martin .........

Is there never a point for you where the Republican candidate's negatives are a bridge too far, and where you simply cannot support that candidate by giving him/her your vote?

IOW, will you always vote for the Republican in every election in the future, or is there a point where you say, I cannot support this candidate?

[musiclady]

That's the choice many of us will be facing next year.   It shouldn't have to be that way.  And the bottom line is lots of folks will, like @roamer_1 , stay home.   I seem to recall that Romney got more popular votes in 2012 than either Clinton or Trump received in 2016.   What a shitty choice that was.     

Why are we so cowed and submissive that we don't demand better???

Don't forget that in 2016, Republicans at the Convention who were also Conservatives were told by the Trump GOP to get lost.

They weren't 'cowed."  They were forcibly removed.

[mystery-ak]

Will Hurd, only black Republican in House, retiring
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455872-texas-gop-lawmaker-will-hurd-retiring


Geeez...we are never going to regain the House at this rate...

[Cyber Liberty]

This is a serious question, because I know you are a thoughtful person @Maj. Bill Martin .........

Is there never a point for you where the Republican candidate's negatives are a bridge too far, and where you simply cannot support that candidate by giving him/her your vote?

IOW, will you always vote for the Republican in every election in the future, or is there a point where you say, I cannot support this candidate?

For me, several times.  Maverick John McCain was my Senator.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This is a serious question, because I know you are a thoughtful person @Maj. Bill Martin .........

Is there never a point for you where the Republican candidate's negatives are a bridge too far, and where you simply cannot support that candidate by giving him/her your vote?

IOW, will you always vote for the Republican in every election in the future, or is there a point where you say, I cannot support this candidate?

@musiclady

I highly prioritize policy/issues over personality or personal characteristics, because those are the things that last and have legal impact on core freedoms and the lives of citizens long after the person is out of office. So if I don't vote for a Republican, it almost certainly will be because of their stance on issues.  I was on the fence about voting for Trump, but was convinced to vote for him because of two issues:  Nominations to the federal courts, and immigration.  In both cases, he's been even more conservative than I'd hoped, so that's more than enough to earn my vote for 2020 despite my disagreement with him on some other issues.

As things now stand, I would not vote at all for Kasich, Flake, Yeb, and probably some others as well.  I think all three of them are so wrong on immigration that I couldn't vote for them.  I wouldn't even vote for Kasich for governor if he was running for re-election.

[corbe]

Will Hurd, only black Republican in House, retiring
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455872-texas-gop-lawmaker-will-hurd-retiring


Geeez...we are never going to regain the House at this rate...

   Rep. Hurd voted with pelousi more than the GOP.  I'm sure this district (the largest, land mass wise, in the US) will switch back to dem.

[sneakypete]

Don't forget that in 2016, Republicans at the Convention who were also Conservatives were told by the Trump GOP to get lost.

They weren't 'cowed."  They were forcibly removed.

@musiclady

There is NOTHING politically "conservative" about being a fire-breathing bible-thumper. In FACT,it means just the opposite because actual conservatives fight against police states of every type.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That's the choice many of us will be facing next year.   It shouldn't have to be that way.  And the bottom line is lots of folks will, like @roamer_1 , stay home.   I seem to recall that Romney got more popular votes in 2012 than either Clinton or Trump received in 2016.   

That's actually not true.  Both Hillary and Trump in 2016 got more popular votes than did Romney in 2012.

In 2012, Romney got 60,589,084 votes

https://www.270towin.com/2012_Election/

In 2016, Trump got 62,980,160, and Hillary got 65,845,063

https://www.270towin.com/2016_Election/

[Cyber Liberty]

I highly prioritize policy/issues over personality or personal characteristics.  So if I don't vote for a Republican, it almost certainly will be because of their stance on issues.  I was on the fence about voting for Trump, but was convinced to vote for him because of two issues:  Nominations to the federal courts, and immigration.  In both cases, he's been even more conservative than I'd hoped, so that's more than enough to earn my vote for 2020 despite my disagreement with him on some other issues.

As things now stand, I would not vote at all for Kasich, Flake, Yeb, and probably some others as well.  I think all three of them are so wrong on immigration that I couldn't vote for them.

I voted for Flake, several times as my Congressman.  He was a very good Congressman so I voted for him for his one term as Senator.  He's dead to me now.  Never seen such a terrible reversal, and that came years before his profound hatred of all things Trump.

[musiclady]

I highly prioritize policy/issues over personality or personal characteristics.  So if I don't vote for a Republican, it almost certainly will be because of their stance on issues.  I was on the fence about voting for Trump, but was convinced to vote for him because of two issues:  Nominations to the federal courts, and immigration.  In both cases, he's been even more conservative than I'd hoped, so that's more than enough to earn my vote for 2020 despite my disagreement with him on some other issues.

As things now stand, I would not vote at all for Kasich, Flake, Yeb, and probably some others as well.  I think all three of them are so wrong on immigration that I couldn't vote for them.

So if John Kasich were running in 2016 against Hillary, you would not have voted for him?

(Not trying to trap you.......... just wanting to know).

The reason is, that for me, what you call "personal characteristics" trump issues.  Serial adultery and perpetual dishonesty are back breakers...... and Trump is guilty on both counts.

For you it's issues and Kasich and jeb.  But you do have a point where you say, "No more."

That's where I am with Trump.

[sneakypete]

Will Hurd, only black Republican in House, retiring
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455872-texas-gop-lawmaker-will-hurd-retiring


Geeez...we are never going to regain the House at this rate...

@mystery-ak

He was shunned and attacked on a daily basis by the "Congresional Black Klan",as well as the mental midgets in the media,so I guess the pressure finally got to him.

I can't say as I blame him. It can't be fun to go to work every day and try too do your best,while being either ignored and insulted every day.

[Bigun]

Will Hurd, only black Republican in House, retiring
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/455872-texas-gop-lawmaker-will-hurd-retiring


Geeez...we are never going to regain the House at this rate...

If Will Hurd is the answer for conservatives it must have been a damned stupid question!  And BTW:  Conservatives never have HAD the house.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

There is NOTHING politically "conservative" about being a fire-breathing bible-thumper. In FACT,it means just the opposite because actual conservatives fight against police states of every type.

Don't you ever get tired of being Johnny-one-note-I-hate-Christians, pete??

Because you bore the heck out of me.

(Besides the fact that you are factually WRONG in your anti-morality mania........)

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Don't forget that in 2016, Republicans at the Convention who were also Conservatives were told by the Trump GOP to get lost.

They weren't 'cowed."  They were forcibly removed.

Exactly when did that happen, and how many conservatives were removed by force?  I don't remember that at all.

[musiclady]

For me, several times.  Maverick John McCain was my Senator.

Then you too understand why there are many who are at that same point with Trump......

[musiclady]

Exactly when did that happen, and how many conservatives were removed by force?  I don't remember that at all.

At the convention.  Told to shut up.  Told they weren't wanted in Trump's party.

[sneakypete]

Don't you ever get tired of being Johnny-one-note-I-hate-Christians, pete??

 

@musiclady

WHY would I ever get tired of fighting an evil that wants to enslave me and everyone else while destroying America by turning it into a police state?

BTW,I hate Islam,too. They are nothing more,or less,than the flip side of your card.