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Thank God for western values | The Spectator
Tom Holland

Declarations of hope that Notre Dame can be resurrected have been much in evidence this Holy Week. Such is the lesson of Easter: that life can come from death. Unlike the Eiffel Tower, that other great emblem of Paris, Notre Dame provides the French with evidence that their modern and secular republic has its foundations deeply rooted in the Middle Ages. Notre Dame has always been more than just an assemblage of stone and stained glass. It is a monument as well to a specifically Christian past.

Last summer, one of the world’s best-known scientists, a man as celebrated for his polemics against religion as for his writings on evolutionary biology, sat in another cathedral, Winchester, listening to the bells peal. ‘So much nicer than the aggressive-sounding “Allahu Akhbar”,’ Richard Dawkins tweeted. ‘Or is that just my cultural upbringing?’ A preference for church bells over the sound of Muslims praising God does not just emerge by magic. Dawkins — agnostic, secularist and humanist that he is — absolutely has the instincts of someone brought up in a Christian civilisation.

Perhaps, then, the debt of the contemporary West to Christianity is more deeply rooted than many — believers and non-believers alike — might presume.

Read more at: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/thank-god-for-western-values/

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New York Times hits new low with mortifying Notre Dame correction
By Mark Hemingway
April 19, 2019 | 10:33am

Just in time for Easter, The New York Times has been forced to run yet another correction that speaks to the paper’s profound ignorance regarding the basic beliefs of Christianity.

In a Thursday report on the fire at Notre Dame, The Times highlighted the actions of Father Jean-Marc Fournier, the Paris Fire Department chaplain who exposed himself to certain danger in order to recover the cathedral’s treasured relics.

“I had two priorities: to save the crown of thorns and a statue of Jesus,” the Grey Lady quoted him. The story was full of gripping details about the scramble to preserve this statue. “As the chaplain began removing a statue of Jesus, he said, his colleagues were fighting the fire from the cathedral’s towers,” the paper reported. “With the statue in hand, Father Fournier, alone in the nave, gave a benediction to the cathedral, he said.”

There’s one small problem here. There’s no statue of Jesus inside Notre Dame. What Father Fournier was referring to was the Blessed Sacrament, communion bread that, according to Catholic doctrine, contains the real presence of Jesus Christ. ...

How could the newspaper possibly confuse these two things? The most logical explanation is that Father Fournier referred to the “body of Christ,” and the reporter took his words literally and not seriously. It doesn’t appear to be a translation error; the reporter who wrote the story, Elian Peltier, appears to be fluent in French and tweets in the language regularly.

Of course, embarrassing as Peltier’s gaffe might be, it’s hard to top this correction the venerable paper ran in 2013: “An earlier version of this article mischaracterized the Christian holiday of Easter. It is the celebration of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead, not his resurrection into heaven.”

A reporter for the paper had apparently confused the resurrection with the ascension into heaven.  ...

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New York Times hits new low with mortifying Notre Dame correction
By Mark Hemingway
April 19, 2019 | 10:33amMore
 

Sometimes ignorance is funny.

But this bozo is being paid money by the supposedly most venerable newspaper, and he doesn't even do basic research to find out what he's supposed to be writing about.

It's that leftist ignorance combined with arrogance that makes them so profoundly dense.  They're incurious and will never find out anything they don't know because they think they know everything.   

[Gefn]

The Old Gray Lady has been going downhill since around the millennium.

Dang shame because when I was a kid, this was the best paper in the country, and it’s reporters held the standard for any journalism major to imitate

[sneakypete]

The Old Gray Lady has been going downhill since around the millennium.

Dang shame because when I was a kid, this was the best paper in the country, and it’s reporters held the standard for any journalism major to imitate

@Freya

I have never met anyone that thought that that didn't grow up in the NYC/NJ/surrounding area.

I have always thought they were a steaming pile of crap.

[Gefn]

@Freya

I have never met anyone that thought that that didn't grow up in the NYC/NJ/surrounding area.

I have always thought they were a steaming pile of crap.

I hope I’m not a pile of 💩 @sneakypete .

[sneakypete]

I hope I’m not a pile of 💩 @sneakypete .

@Freya

Uhhhh,I was referring to the New York Times.

[TomSea]

LA Times:

To rebuild Notre Dame after its fire, French can look east to Dresden’s Frauenkirche
Erik Kirschbaum


The rebuilt Frauenkirche in Dresden, Germany. (Erik Kirschbaum / For The Times)



As the embers cool and donations mount to rebuild the fire-racked Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, lessons gleaned from the improbable reconstruction of Dresden’s Frauenkirche decades after the city was firebombed near the end of World War II could both inform and inspire the effort.

The remains of the iconic baroque 18th-century Lutheran church lay desolate and covered by weeds for more than 40 years of Communist rule, a sort of ghoulish antiwar monument that even after the fall of the Berlin Wall, some 90% of locals thought should remain a memory.

But buoyed by a worldwide spirit of revival, including an influx of $150 million in donations, the rebuilt church stands again, in an entire neighborhood of reconstructed buildings visited by many of the 2.7 million tourists who flock to the city of 550,000, 120 miles south of Berlin, each year.

Read more at: https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-dresden-restoration-notre-dame-20190422-story.html

LA Times, lots of good articles, liberal editorial board. Still, in general, they don't post absolute garbage as editorials at least, that I've seen and what I mean by that is calling someone a racist in the headline, What BS. I'm sure they do their part for the liberal cause.

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Police have confirmed that a fire in the French church of Notre-Dame de Grâce on Easter Sunday appears to have been intentionally set, making it the latest in a string of desecrations of Christian churches in the country.
The fire was started in a large, wooden confessional around 4:30pm and proceeded to consume a dais in the presbytery of the eighteenth-century church located in the southern French town of Eyguières, near Provence.


https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/04/23/another-french-church-burns-on-easter-sunday-probable-arson/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

[sneakypete]

You have to wonder when and if the French Catholics are ever going to man up and start getting Medieval on the Muslims. If this doesn't do it,they need to just go ahead and neuter themselves and mail their balls to Mecca.

[Smokin Joe]

Ou est Charles Martel?

[TomSea]

Setting topic non-sticky as these threads have not been posted to in over a week. Feel free to revive at anytime.

[Gefn]

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Supposedly Notre Dame’s Fire was seen by Nostradamus.

Just putting it out there if you believe in this,

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/2019/05/notre-dame-fire/

Ping @Quix

[Quix]

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Supposedly Notre Dame’s Fire was seen by Nostradamus.

Just putting it out there if you believe in this,

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/2019/05/notre-dame-fire/

Ping @Quix

Interesting. Thanks.

Am not a fan of the cryptic one from centuries ago. But I recognize that even satan's "prophets" get some things at least partially right.

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Supposedly Notre Dame’s Fire was seen by Nostradamus.

Just putting it out there if you believe in this,

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/2019/05/notre-dame-fire/

Ping @Quix

No offense, but that's about the dumbest thing I've read today, and I just read a Q thread on FR

Here is the quatrain in question. So vague, it can be read into anything or nothing the reader desires.

Head of Aries , Jupiter and Saturn
Eternal God what changes?!
After a long century his malicious time returns,
France and Italy, what turmoil.

[Gefn]

No offense, but that's about the dumbest thing I've read today, and I just read a Q thread on FR

Here is the quatrain in question. So vague, it can be read into anything or nothing the reader desires.

Head of Aries , Jupiter and Saturn
Eternal God what changes?!
After a long century his malicious time returns,
France and Italy, what turmoil.

I agree. But I thought someone here might be interested, you know?
@ABX

[Smokin Joe]

I agree. But I thought someone here might be interested, you know?
@ABX

I found it interesting that one person who studied Nostradamus' writings was busy debunking another's claims.

I'd read the rising turmoil as the resurgencce of Communism (here!) after 100 long years since the Oktober Revolution, but the astrological references don't line up, either.

Interesting stuff, but I give it far, far, less weight than the OT (and New Testament) prophets of the Bible.

[sneakypete]

Interesting stuff, but I give it far, far, less weight than the OT (and New Testament) prophets of the Bible.

@Smokin Joe

The wise ones were the OG phophets.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

The wise ones were the OG phophets.

I thought the OGs were after profits?

[sneakypete]

I thought the OGs were after profits?

@Smokin Joe

Sometimes in life the title defines the actions.

[EasyAce]

I thought the OGs were after profits?

I thought OG was after Magilla Gorilla.


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[TomSea]

I think @Freya 's post is of interest to many actually, maybe I should re-sticky the tread.

Prime Minister Trudeau visited the Cathedral site this past week and is offering Canadian wood and steel to rebuild.


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I'm not pleased with him; he does okay in tasks like this.

[Gefn]

Thank you @TomSea

[Gefn]

I thought OG was after Magilla Gorilla.


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@EasyAce

One of my favorites from childhood! Haven’t thought about that show in years. Yay I liked Hanna -Barbara (stupid spell check) cartoons! Yay Jetsons!