Author Topic: Yes, Beto Can Win The White House (Marcus) (Read 754 times)

corbe · « **on:** March 15, 2019, 03:32:52 pm »

Yes, Beto Can Win The White House

Beto O'Rourke looks a lot more like recent Democrats who won the White House than any other candidates. Don't underestimate him.

By David Marcus
March 15, 2019

Since 1980, only two Democrats have won the U.S. presidency. The first was Bill Clinton, the second Barack Obama. Six others tried and failed. Of the announced and presumed candidates for the 2020 Democratic primary, only one reasonably resembles Clinton and Obama, and that candidate is Beto Oâ€™Rourke.

He is young. He is relatively inexperienced in national politics. He comes from the middle of the country, and he has a charisma reminiscent of both Clinton and Obama.

Beto is the Luke Perry of 2020, a Gen X rock star who stands above the fray of identity politics, socialism, and the culture wars. In his announcement, before a small crowd in an Iowa coffee house, that habitual habitat of the Gen X hipster, he made an appeal to all Americans, including Republicans.

With the exception of the more seasoned, but less famous Amy Klobuchar, Beto is the first candidate to fill in the moderate lane of the Democratic primary. Sooner, rather than later, Joe Biden either will or wonâ€™t join him there.

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http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/15/yes-beto-can-win-white-house/

austingirl · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2019, 03:54:49 pm »

"Rock star" again. "Moderate?" Robert Francis in no moderate, no rock star, and disturbing to watch as he twitches and flaps his arms while he regurgitates leftist spew.

Sanguine · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:11:22 pm »

Quote from: austingirl on March 15, 2019, 03:54:49 pm

"Rock star" again. "Moderate?" Robert Francis in no moderate, no rock star, and disturbing to watch as he twitches and flaps his arms while he regurgitates leftist spew.

Yes, but that's only because you're not peering deeply into his dreamy eyes and projecting all of your hopes and fantasies on him.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:27:40 pm »

Quote from: austingirl on March 15, 2019, 03:54:49 pm

"Rock star" again. "Moderate?" Robert Francis in no moderate, no rock star, and disturbing to watch as he twitches and flaps his arms while he regurgitates leftist spew.

His rise in El Paso politics was fueled by Republican donors, as extensively reported in this morning's WSJ. Everything's relative, of course, but by the standards of the average Dem, he's a close to a moderate as any of 'em. Of course, what's impossible to tell is whether his "moderation" is just for show. Gillibrand used to market her moderate credentials, but has revealed her radical self more recently.

Sanguine · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:29:14 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 15, 2019, 04:27:40 pm

His rise in El Paso politics was fueled by Republican donors, as extensively reported in this morning's WSJ. Everything's relative, of course, but by the standards of the average Dem, he's a close to a moderate as any of 'em. Of course, what's impossible to tell is whether his "moderation" is just for show. Gillibrand used to market her moderate credentials, but has revealed her radical self more recently.

Got a link @Jazzhead?

Jazzhead · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:47:33 pm »

Quote from: Sanguine on March 15, 2019, 04:29:14 pm

Got a link @Jazzhead?

Anything on line from the WSJ is behind a paywall. I read the Journal the old fashioned way - with ink-stained fingers as I read the paper on the train every morning.

Edit - here's the link (subscription required): https://www.wsj.com/articles/beto-orourkes-past-gop-ties-could-complicate-primary-run-11552621743?mod=hp_lead_pos8

TomSea · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:00:07 pm »

http://www.lloydmarcus.com/

Article is NOT written by African-American conservative, Lloyd Marcus. It is writetn by David Marcus.

Lloyd Marcus:

David Marcus:

No, I don't think Beto can win, Beto has too much loser-itis like Santorum had. Santorum is a good solid conservative but had that loss. Beto is going nowhere, could be selected for Vice-President though.

TomSea · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:02:26 pm »

Our great friend, @Chosen Daughter posted this article once, I don't know if others read it but it is pretty good on Beto despite being from an obscure type of source.

https://ghost.report/2018/06/04/beto-orourke-clean-cut-man-with-a-dirty-family-file-pt-1/

What stood out to me, was his family's furniture store was raided by the FBI around 2010, not that long ago according to the article which seems solid to me.

Beto might be selected VP, I certainly don't see him winning the nomination for Prez.

austingirl · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:06:38 pm »

Robert Francis has staked out the most leftist positions possible. Can he backtrack on them and become "moderate?" I don't think so. He talked about humanity's extinction in twelve years at his campaign speech yesterday. So moderate, so uplifting!
Robby is not tethered to his past statements. He was very clear that he was not running for President. He's a mess.

TomSea · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:12:22 pm »

I don't think we have had one Representative as President, NOT in modern time. Maybe someone was a Representative first but then, they became Senator or Governor. I'm sure some representatives could do the job. Gingrich I believe was never anything more than a Representative.

Edit On: All this said, it might be a good choice to strengthen his star, actually, he may do fairly well in the primaries vs. most of the others.

TomSea · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:23:48 pm »

Quote

Beto O'Rourke was a member of computer hacking group called Cult of the Dead Cow who posted fiction about killing children and called himself 'Psychedelic Warlord'

Democrats' newest presidential candidate's past as a teenage hacker who posted bizarre fiction about killing children is revealed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6814145/SPECIAL-REPORT-Beto-ORourkes-secret-membership-legendary-hacking-group.html

I know, I should post the article, I'm not sure if anyone posted this. This certainly sounds real awful. Just found it. Drudge Report highlighting it, can one run from something like this???

Victoria33 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:30:48 pm »

@corbe

"He is young. He is relatively inexperienced in national politics. He comes from the middle of the country, and he has a charisma reminiscent of both Clinton and Obama."

No, he is a flake. In Iowa, he spoke in platitudes that mean nothing, such as: "We need to all be together."

In Iowa: "But while Oâ€™Rourke had no problem turning out crowds, he wasnâ€™t necessarily winning them over. Iowa voters seemed less taken with him than some parts of the national media. 'Heâ€™s got a lot of energy, and heâ€™s articulate, but he didnâ€™t go into a lot of details,' said Mark Odell, a 66-year-old retired physician, as he walked out of a house party here that was so packed that half of the would-be audience got stuck waiting outside on the frigid lawn long into the night. 'Iâ€™m not sure if thatâ€™s reflective of the fact that he doesnâ€™t have them, or it is not the right setting. We will see.'"

TomSea · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:36:04 pm »

Sounds like Beto is banking on his rock star appeal...might not play well in a general election though, Dems are a bit of the flake party to begin with.

aligncare · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:41:13 pm »

Quote from: Victoria33 on March 15, 2019, 05:30:48 pm

@corbe

"He is young. He is relatively inexperienced in national politics. He comes from the middle of the country, and he has a charisma reminiscent of both Clinton and Obama."

No, he is a flake. In Iowa, he spoke in platitudes that mean nothing, such as: "We need to all be together."

In Iowa: "But while Oâ€™Rourke had no problem turning out crowds, he wasnâ€™t necessarily winning them over. Iowa voters seemed less taken with him than some parts of the national media. 'Heâ€™s got a lot of energy, and heâ€™s articulate, but he didnâ€™t go into a lot of details,' said Mark Odell, a 66-year-old retired physician, as he walked out of a house party here that was so packed that half of the would-be audience got stuck waiting outside on the frigid lawn long into the night. 'Iâ€™m not sure if thatâ€™s reflective of the fact that he doesnâ€™t have them, or it is not the right setting. We will see.'"

A physician thinks that Oâ€™Rourke is articulate? Maybe thatâ€™s why I canâ€™t get my doctors to speak to me like a normal human instead of a gomer.

Victoria33 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2019, 05:52:44 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 15, 2019, 04:27:40 pm

His rise in El Paso politics was fueled by Republican donors, as extensively reported in this morning's WSJ.

@Jazzhead

Then, the WSJ has never been to El Paso. The Texas Republican Party would not send me there to instruct Republicans in election law because Republicans can't win there - it would be a useless trip. It is and has been a liberal city/county. El Paso County is in the 23rd District of Texas with numerous other counties and the US Republican Representative office holder is Will Hurd. There are no Republican officer holders in the city/county according to the website of the El Paso Republican Party website.

Sanguine · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:05:28 pm »

Quote from: Victoria33 on March 15, 2019, 05:52:44 pm

@Jazzhead

Then, the WSJ has never been to El Paso. The Texas Republican Party would not send me there to instruct Republicans in election law because Republicans can't win there - it would be a useless trip. It is and has been a liberal city/county. El Paso County is in the 23rd District of Texas with numerous other counties and the US Republican Representative office holder is Will Hurd. There are no Republican officer holders in the city/county according to the website of the El Paso Republican Party website.

Yes, as I have had pointed out to me several times by UTEP people - El Paso is closer to California (481 miles) than it is to Austin (527 miles).

TomSea · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:09:23 pm »

El Paso is probably seen as being predominantly Hispanic and also, having many government workers FWIW. Border town.

Austin is actually seen by many as being very liberal.

Fairly low crime in El Paso and it seems like that for a long, long time though, I did see an article that there was quite a bit of violence there for a few years. Pretty safe place to walk at night....

Jazzhead · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:10:31 pm »

Quote from: Victoria33 on March 15, 2019, 05:52:44 pm

@Jazzhead

Then, the WSJ has never been to El Paso. The Texas Republican Party would not send me there to instruct Republicans in election law because Republicans can't win there - it would be a useless trip. It is and has been a liberal city/county. El Paso County is in the 23rd District of Texas with numerous other counties and the US Republican Representative office holder is Will Hurd. There are no Republican officer holders in the city/county according to the website of the El Paso Republican Party website.

Did you read the article? I provided a link.

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:12:02 pm »

Quote from: Sanguine on March 15, 2019, 06:05:28 pm

Yes, as I have had pointed out to me several times by UTEP people - El Paso is closer to California (481 miles) than it is to Austin (527 miles).

West enough to be a time zone behind the rest of Texas.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:16:16 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 15, 2019, 06:10:31 pm

Did you read the article? I provided a link.

One word: "Paywall." I expect in a day or two some aggregator will pick it up. I'm not sure what the relevance of Republican donors is, other than it will make it harder for Beta Male.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:29:54 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2019, 06:16:16 pm

One word: "Paywall."

I know, I know. But I gotta say - anyone who considers themselves a conservative needs to subscribe to the most important and influential source of conservative opinion out there.

TomSea · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:31:58 pm »

Even if Republican donors helped him out... the Merrit family, etc., this is the now, he has a big track record on being left-wing. We know that from his campaign against Cruz. The guy, Robert, has said that walls on the border even now, should come down. Is there room to even talk about moderation with saying things like this?

He can call to mind, RFK and Beto might not be a bad guy to meet on the street, just his political views and ideology is what is lacking.

Sanguine · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:34:48 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 15, 2019, 06:29:54 pm

I know, I know. But I gotta say - anyone who considers themselves a conservative needs to subscribe to the most important and influential source of conservative opinion out there.

Well, it ain't the WSJ!

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:50:36 pm »

Quote from: Sanguine on March 15, 2019, 06:34:48 pm

Well, it ain't the WSJ!

I have limited reading time, and I don't generally waste my time on WSJ anymore. The reportage has been left-leaning for years and the Editorial board is headed that way.

TomSea · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:55:17 pm »

Let's get off the WSJ kick, if we should be discussing it, esteemed member of the forum could have posted it as a separate article, could have posted essential excerpts for his point. Instead, we are talking about WSJ. They are fine with me, hit and miss journalism like other venues and often, I believe they do have good articles.