New Zealand Mosque Shooting (Live Updates)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I'm critical of Trump, but he's mentioned the shooting, and he's not the New Zealand president. I don't think he has to dwell much on it, unless they're sharing info on net based groups connected to this guy, with a similar agenda.

You Trump-bot

[XenaLee]

Thanx for the link.  Again we will see how the MSM plays it.  I do want to point out I don't think I called the guy "conservative."  I said right-wing which I, and most people I think, associate with racism, perhaps unfairly.  I say that even while agreeing NAZI means national socialism.  The thing is if we split the 2 major parties as right and left, the left always condemns nazis and right sees "very fine people on both sides," and is seen as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose."

Yes, but most people (perhaps not you) think "Conservative" if or whenever the term "right winger" is mentioned.  And we (we Conservatives) need to set the record straight whenever folks are unfairly demonizing Conservatives or Conservatism.

[ABX]

Armed citizen at second mosque credited with stopping attacker (good guy with a gun)

http://concealednation.org/2019/03/breaking-armed-citizen-at-2nd-mosque-shooting-credited-with-stopping-attack-after-firing-at-gunman/

[edpc]

My objection is to hijacking every thread to try and make it a new front in the Trump War.  We have plenty of Trump War threads already.

Because he sucks.       

Obvious joke for the humorless.

[Cyber Liberty]

Thanx for the link.  Again we will see how the MSM plays it.  I do want to point out I don't think I called the guy "conservative."  I said right-wing which I, and most people I think, associate with racism, perhaps unfairly.  I say that even while agreeing NAZI means national socialism.  The thing is if we split the 2 major parties as right and left, the left always condemns nazis and right sees "very fine people on both sides," and is seen as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose."

Yes, but most people (perhaps not you) think "Conservative" if or whenever the term "right winger" is mentioned.  And we (we Conservatives) need to set the record straight whenever folks are unfairly demonizing Conservatives or Conservatism.

@Once-Ler @XenaLee

Great point and counter point!

[Cyber Liberty]

Because he sucks.       

Obvious joke for the humorless.

It made me laff....

[Fishrrman]

mystery posted:
Democratic senator links New Zealand massacre to Trump on Charlottesville: 'Words do have consequences'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/blumenthal-blames-trump-for-new-zealand-shooting-rhetoric-a-factor

What would one expect from that sc*mbag liar Blumenthal from my own state?

For the record, here is what the shooter wrote in his manifesto, on page 16 of that document:
========
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no. (emphasis added by me)
========

That is the ONLY place that the word "Trump" appears in the entire document.

If you don't believe me and wish to see for yourself, download it from this URL:
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d9017cfda86a09390ffcea09766374fbe270c20d7ac5e53c0d895de8d6a97231.pdf

Closing thoughts...

There are two "orbs" on the earth insofar as islam is concerned:
- dar al-islam
- dar al-harb.

What we have just seen in New Zealand is but "a portent of what's coming" in the future ahead for dar al-harb.

If you don't understand what those two terms represent, you'd better learn -- quickly!

[skeeter]

mystery posted:
Democratic senator links New Zealand massacre to Trump on Charlottesville: 'Words do have consequences'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/blumenthal-blames-trump-for-new-zealand-shooting-rhetoric-a-factor

What would one expect from that sc*mbag liar Blumenthal from my own state?

For the record, here is what the shooter wrote in his manifesto, on page 16 of that document:
========
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no. (emphasis added by me)
========

That is the ONLY place that the word "Trump" appears in the entire document.

If you don't believe me and wish to see for yourself, download it from this URL:
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d9017cfda86a09390ffcea09766374fbe270c20d7ac5e53c0d895de8d6a97231.pdf

...or view it here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html

Closing thoughts...

There are two "orbs" on the earth insofar as islam is concerned:
- dar al-islam
- dar al-harb.

What we have just seen in New Zealand is but "a portent of what's coming" in the future ahead for dar al-harb.

If you don't understand what those two terms represent, you'd better learn -- quickly!

Blumenthal and the rest of the news media turds are doing exactly what the wacko said they'd do after he shot up the mosque. Giving meaning to his murders.

And they don't care.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yes, but most people (perhaps not you) think "Conservative" if or whenever the term "right winger" is mentioned.  And we (we Conservatives) need to set the record straight whenever folks are unfairly demonizing Conservatives or Conservatism.

I don't know if "Conservatism" can be rehabilitated as an ideology while Trumpism is the guiding ideology of the Republican Party.  As I recall Trump said he was the most conservative candidate in 2016 and he is the standard bearer for the GOP, and he can point to judges, taxcuts, and cutting government regulations but he comes with some heavy baggage including an alarming coarsening of political rhetoric, abandonment of Christian compassion, and an inability to disassociate himself with terrible people that praise him like David Duke, Kim Jung Un, and Vlad Putin.  All of that feeds into the classic perception of right-wing = racism we've been taught by educational institutions and reinforced by media.

[TomSea]

I don't know if "Conservatism" can be rehabilitated as an ideology while Trumpism is the guiding ideology of the Republican Party.  As I recall Trump said he was the most conservative candidate in 2016 and he is the standard bearer for the GOP, and he can point to judges, taxcuts, and cutting government regulations but he comes with some heavy baggage including an alarming coarsening of political rhetoric, abandonment of Christian compassion, and an inability to disassociate himself with terrible people that praise him like David Duke, Kim Jung Un, and Vlad Putin.  All of that feeds into the classic perception of right-wing = racism we've been taught by educational institutions and reinforced by media.

Oh boy, David Duke again. Must be the new Godwin's law, that can be ignored.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

To Putin:

Even NPR reported on Trump's toughness on Russia.

Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia

Kim Jong Un, well, seeing as how those talks collapsed, I can understand Trump not wishing to upset the dictator. We are talking about nuclear weapons after all.

And for the record, I think now would be an opportune time to bring up human rights abuses in North Korea... but I'll let the experts figure it out. Maybe it is not.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Oh boy, David Duke again. Must be the new Godwin's law, that can be ignored.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"

This whole thread is about a Nazi mass murder spree.  I guess discussion ended on the first page.

[corbe]

Brenton Tarrant, accused in mosque massacre, 'changed' after visiting North Korea

by Diana Stancy Correll

March 15, 2019 02:02 PM
 
Accused New Zealand mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant, one of four suspects in custody in connection to the attack, is a personal trainer from Australia who visited North Korea, where he was photographed in a tour group visiting the Samjiyon Grand Monument.

Tarrant, 28, is the son of parents who divorced when he was young. His father, who died in 2010 at age 49, was a garbage man who became a competitive triathlete who represented Australia.

He described himself as an "ordinary white man who decided to take a stand," worked at the Big River Gym in New Zealand from 2009 to 2011, according to gym manager Tracey Gray.

<..snip..>

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brenton-tarrant-accused-in-mosque-massacre-changed-after-visiting-north-korea

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1106634711290531840

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Just spoke with Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister of New Zealand, regarding the horrific events that have taken place over the past 24 hours. I informed the Prime Minister....

....that we stand in solidarity with New Zealand – and that any assistance the U.S.A. can give, we stand by ready to help. We love you New Zealand!
12:14 PM - 15 Mar 2019

[Sanguine]

Thanx for the link.  Again we will see how the MSM plays it.  I do want to point out I don't think I called the guy "conservative."  I said right-wing which I, and most people I think, associate with racism, perhaps unfairly.  I say that even while agreeing NAZI means national socialism.  The thing is if we split the 2 major parties as right and left, the left always condemns nazis and right sees "very fine people on both sides," and is seen as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose."

That may be true of Europe, but we do things quite differently here. 

...the left always condemns nazis and right sees "very fine people on both sides,"...

The left condemns that which they are guilty of.   And, sheesh, can you quit with pulling Trump into this? 

[QueenCatofAragon]

Brenton Tarrant, accused in mosque massacre, 'changed' after visiting North Korea

by Diana Stancy Correll

March 15, 2019 02:02 PM
 
Accused New Zealand mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant, one of four suspects in custody in connection to the attack, is a personal trainer from Australia who visited North Korea, where he was photographed in a tour group visiting the Samjiyon Grand Monument.

Tarrant, 28, is the son of parents who divorced when he was young. His father, who died in 2010 at age 49, was a garbage man who became a competitive triathlete who represented Australia.

He described himself as an "ordinary white man who decided to take a stand," worked at the Big River Gym in New Zealand from 2009 to 2011, according to gym manager Tracey Gray.

<..snip..>

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brenton-tarrant-accused-in-mosque-massacre-changed-after-visiting-north-korea

The simple  fact that he visited NK tells me he’s batcrap crazy.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

That may be true of Europe, but we do things quite differently here.

Are you sure?  My American teachers said 40 years ago that Nazi=rightwing.  Perhaps today's teachers are more forgiving of the right wing, but I know that American Hollywood and American news has reinforced that perception every single day of those 40 years.  Do we do it differently in America?   

The left condemns that which they are guilty of.

Really the left are secretly muslim hatin' nazis?  They are doing a great job of fooling me.   

And, sheesh, can you quit with pulling Trump into this?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms

[TomSea]

North Korea is on that same-side of the world as Australia... maybe it would be like a Canadian going to Cuba...  you just might be curious.

[QueenCatofAragon]

North Korea is on that same-side of the world as Australia... maybe it would be like a Canadian going to Cuba...  you just might be curious.

@TomSea

No, I really wouldn’t be.  It could be in the next county, but if I know going there could get me dead, I’m staying away.

[Restored]

The Nazis were fascists, more of a political party than an ideology.

[Sanguine]

Are you sure?  My American teachers said 40 years ago that Nazi=rightwing.  Perhaps today's teachers are more forgiving of the right wing, but I know that American Hollywood and American news has reinforced that perception every single day of those 40 years.  Do we do it differently in America?   

Really the left are secretly muslim hatin' nazis?  They are doing a great job of fooling me.   

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms

Yes, I'm sure. 

[Sanguine]

The Nazis were fascists, more of a political party than an ideology.

Which is what the left wing always turns to.  Fascists/national socialists.

The American right is for less government, more individualism.  That is not true of Europe where individualism has long been in disfavor.  Granted there has been a long-term, concerted effort to equate the two, but the differences between the two are not resolvable.

[edpc]

The Nazis were fascists, more of a political party than an ideology.

Fascism is considered an ideology, to the far right of the political spectrum. I tend to disagree anything involving government control is right wing, at all.

[Smokin Joe]

Fascism is considered an ideology, to the far right of the political spectrum. I tend to disagree anything involving government control is right wing, at all.

I think that is an attempt by the Communists to distance themselves from the other totalitarians, as they did during WWII. After all, it was the Communists who really opposed Hitler's bunch and were vying for power, too. In reality, there is small difference from a totalitarian aspect, so unless you fold that strip into a circle, it isn't accurate. If you do, the 'endpoints' are right next to each other where they belong.

[skeeter]

Fascism is considered an ideology, to the far right of the political spectrum. I tend to disagree anything involving government control is right wing, at all.

Agree. I've always believed the right/left continuum is misleading.

It's more a matter of authoritarianism vs. individualism - which would make selling Constitutional literalism alot easier, also.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yes, I'm sure.

Well OK then