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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2019, 11:45:35 pm »
My understanding is that she waited because she knew more than likely in reporting the incident would be covered up and her military would be quickly over.

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That is my understanding also,and only a fool can blame her for not naming names back in a time when she would have been the only one hurt.

Now she is in a position to highlight in public that things like that happen and there needs to be a system in place to deal with it,and some of these goobers seem to want HER punished for being a victim of sexual assault.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2019, 11:48:18 pm »
@Bigun

Most men are not rapists.

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Thank you for taking note of that. You would THINK it didn't need to be mentioned on what is primarily a forum populated by conservatives,but it seems you would be wrong.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2019, 11:50:09 pm »
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Nope!  And your twisted logic doesn't make it so.

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She's right and you are wrong on this issue. Deal with it. Man the bleep up and admit you are wrong.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2019, 12:15:41 am »
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I think the article suggested she was 18 at the time, so I imagine a little math and her current age (born March 1966) would give a figure close enough.

Around 84-85? 

Thanks @Sighlass   Here's why I asked.  While I'm not happy with her placing a cloud of suspicion over all those in a supervisory positions back then, I tend to believe this happened and why she did not come forward. 

But I would have preferred it if her testimony in 2019 had followed along these lines:  Tell what happened to her in 1985 (or whenever) but stress this is not about her. She's had a long and successful career in the Air Force.  She made a decision not to file charges and is not interested in doing so now.  But it is important to understand the reasons for her decision and then explained the difficulty she (and others) faced in 1985. 

But since the Tailhook scandal in 1991 there has been a forced, great social awakening in the military.  While I've no reason to believe it's perfect, reason does tell me female soldiers, sailors, airman who report sexual abuse and/or rape are treated with more respect and given more credibility than she would have been.

I would have liked her to talk a little about the positive changes (surely there were some) she witnessed from 1991 to 2010 and then pinpointed where more progress is needed using whatever anecdotal evidence she is aware of.

To be fair, I've not read her full testimony.  But Al Gore's magnificent Internet is alive with discussions on whether or not she's telling the truth about the rape and challenging her to name names.  I think this is unfortunate for her ... and for the military.  Neither was well-served by the testimony I am aware of.

My two cents.   :shrug:

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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2019, 12:26:33 am »
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So,you are saying that truth,justice,and the American way are irrelevant because your political enemies agree with her and you don't?

No, I said:  "She won't hold that office for long if she throws her lot in with the PoundMeToo crowd."

That's it, it's no deeper than that.  A simple statement about the calculus of politics in AZ, which is something I know a wee little bit about.  You know me better than that, or so I thought, @sneakypete.  I was speaking to the irrelevance of this particular MeToo moment. 
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2019, 12:28:24 am »
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She's right and you are wrong on this issue. Deal with it. Man the bleep up and admit you are wrong.

When I say something that was wrong I'll own up to it and apologize.   That hasn't happened on this thread despite people trying to attribute to me things I have not said.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2019, 12:33:26 am »
When I say something that was wrong I'll own up to it and apologize.   That hasn't happened on this thread despite people trying to attribute to me things I have not said.

He doesn't seem to be hitting on all cylinders today.  Seems to think I don't care if she got raped, so long as I can attack my political "enemies."

Sorry, @Bigun I seem to be a little cross today.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2019, 12:36:22 am »
He doesn't seem to be hitting on all cylinders today.  Seems to think I don't care if she got raped, so long as I can attack my political "enemies."

Sorry, @Bigun I seem to be a little cross today.

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No need to be sorry IMHO.  Truth is always truth.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2019, 12:40:35 am »
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No need to be sorry IMHO.  Truth is always truth.

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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2019, 12:42:57 am »
Still having some trouble with the Kegerator.   :beer:

And the end of my labors, I got a nice big tankard of Blue Moon out of it.  Yaay me!

Life is rough, huh?

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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2019, 12:43:45 am »
Still having some trouble with the Kegerator.   :beer:

And the end of my labors, I got a nice big tankard of Blue Moon out of it.  Yaay me!

Have one for me.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2019, 12:48:00 am »
Have one for me.

Will do!  I even had a taste of my Absinthe.  I love licorice.
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« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2019, 12:56:13 am »

Will do!  I even had a taste of my Absinthe.  I love licorice.

Please skip that for me!  YUCK!!!
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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2019, 01:03:07 am »
When I say something that was wrong I'll own up to it and apologize.   That hasn't happened on this thread despite people trying to attribute to me things I have not said.

I understood what you meant.

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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2019, 01:05:49 am »

Will do!  I even had a taste of my Absinthe.  I love licorice.

My Sicilian grandmother would make those flat waffle wafer cookies on an iron.

Thank God she didn't use anise in all the batches.   I can still 'smell' it right now, fifty years ago, like it was this afternoon.

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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2019, 01:42:51 am »
My Sicilian grandmother would make those flat waffle wafer cookies on an iron.

Thank God she didn't use anise in all the batches.   I can still 'smell' it right now, fifty years ago, like it was this afternoon.

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I can still taste it!  Hella aftertaste in that stuff.  :smokin:
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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2019, 02:08:03 am »
I can still taste it!  Hella aftertaste in that stuff.  :smokin:

I can't eat black licorice .  Hell, I can't eat any licorice.   But I liked Twizzlers.  For the Team!   Go Team!!   wink777
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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2019, 02:10:00 am »
I can still taste it!  Hella aftertaste in that stuff.  :smokin:

You're supposed to use it when preparing Oysters Rockefeller.  Pernod.

Have to handle it like nitro-glycerin when measuring it.  No free-lancing.
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2019, 02:32:37 am »
You're supposed to use it when preparing Oysters Rockefeller.  Pernod.

Have to handle it like nitro-glycerin when measuring it.  No free-lancing.

Yeah, handle with 10-foot pole.  I had like a half-teaspoon because I've been dying to know how it tastes.
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« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2019, 02:38:38 am »
Yeah, handle with 10-foot pole.  I had like a half-teaspoon because I've been dying to know how it tastes.

Licorice.  With a sledgehammer.   :laugh:
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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2019, 02:43:05 am »
Licorice.  With a sledgehammer.   :laugh:

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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2019, 02:46:30 am »
When men and women in the military are placed in close proximity for any length of time the results are inevitable.
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« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2019, 03:01:16 am »
Send 'em back to the kitchen /sarc

He's right!


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Re: Martha McSally says she was raped by senior officer in the Air Force
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2019, 03:06:58 am »
Start watching at 1:39 mark.    :smokin:

What can you do? :shrug:  You can't give sheep the vote.

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« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2019, 03:10:12 am »
What can you do? :shrug:  You can't give sheep the vote.

Used to be only property owners could vote. 

And, off the top of my head, that seems most logical given the current environment.
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