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Kamala Harris vows to get rid of private health care plans: 'Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on'
Fox News, Jan 29, 2019, Gregg Re

California Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris, speaking during a town hall Monday night, vowed to eliminate all private health care insurance for approximately 150 million Americans if she is elected president.

Asked by CNN host Jake Tapper if people who like their current health care insurance could keep it under Harris' "Medicare for All" plan, Harris indicated they could not -- but that, in turn, they would experience health care without any delays.

Her statements appeared to be a full-throated call for single-payer health insurance, as opposed to merely expanding Medicare, and a dramatic embrace of the kind of proposals advocated by Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require," Harris told Tapper.

"Who among us has not had that situation?" she continued. "Where you got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, 'Well I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this.' Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on."


More:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-vows-to-eliminate-private-health-care-plans-lets-eliminate-all-of-that-lets-move-on

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This woman is dangerous.  After hearing her speak a few times it's clear she wraps this BS in the love of country and the American dream better than any socialist before her.  If she can keep this up, she will be formidable.

And no, it will not matter that she slept her way to the top.



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I just wish people would quit effing around with health insurance long enough for me to get some again.

I remember having private insurance, and it worked better than anything since.
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I've heard liberals say that the type of socialism they promote doesn't takeover private industry. They're dead wrong.
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“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you’re talking about here,” said Trump in a Republican debate in August, 2015.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/313407-medicare-for-all-use-formula-to-replace-aca


Trump agrees with single payer, in principle. The only difference between him and Harris is he thinks it’s no longer possible, because we’ve spent too much money on things like Iraq and the WOT. Otherwise, he would be for it. It does not work, under any circumstances.
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“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you’re talking about here,” said Trump in a Republican debate in August, 2015.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/313407-medicare-for-all-use-formula-to-replace-aca


Trump agrees with single payer, in principle. The only difference between him and Harris is he thinks it’s no longer possible, because we’ve spent too much money on things like Iraq and the WOT. Otherwise, he would be for it. It does not work, under any circumstances.
Canada? Oh yeah, great. You can wait 8 months to get that angiogram and maybe a stent, or go to the US and get it done--and live to tell about it.
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There are good and bad features to both the current private insurance and government single payer models.    What are the attributes of health care financing that we want our system to have? 

 Is it efficient to place the primary burden for financing health costs on employers as an employee benefit?   Let's not forget that our system places American employers (and American workers) at a decided disadvantage when it comes to competing with companies and workers in countries where health costs are paid for by general taxation.  Also, a health cost financing system primarily tied to employment tends to crimp the dynamic nature of our economy, as workers cling to jobs just to keep their health insurance.   In a nation like ours where one can travel from sea to shining sea,  wouldn't it be better if folks could make decisions about their jobs and futures without having to endure the burden of lost health insurance?

On the other hand,  our system promotes innovation in medical care that nations with single payer systems just can't match. 

What should our priorities be?   


 
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You will always have one health plan for the wealthy and one for the rest of us. We'll be seeing nurses and the wealthy will be seeing doctors.
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It’s painfully and dangerously obvious she has no clue what Medicare is and what it covers besides having no clue of the insolvency it faces
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She is also unaware that people on Medicare still have to pay out of pocket for health care.
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I've heard liberals say that the type of socialism they promote doesn't takeover private industry. They're dead wrong.

They're not going to outlaw private healthcare. That would be ridiculous. The billionaires that run our world would never allow that. A public option would definitely put pressure on private healthcare because the millions of working poor that are forced to pay a lot of their money for decent healthcare would rather just use the public option. Lots of people would use it because lots of people just want a doctor. They're not looking for the best in the world. That would mean private doctors have to be excellent at what they do and offer good deals to customers that can afford private care. I am fine with that.
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She is also unaware that people on Medicare still have to pay out of pocket for health care.

Isn’t it amazing that people who couldn’t  successfully run a comer  side Kool-Aid stand somehow get to decide everyone else’s health care
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They're not going to outlaw private healthcare. That would be ridiculous. The billionaires that run our world would never allow that. A public option would definitely put pressure on private healthcare because the millions of working poor that are forced to pay a lot of their money for decent healthcare would rather just use the public option. Lots of people would use it because lots of people just want a doctor. They're not looking for the best in the world. That would mean private doctors have to be excellent at what they do and offer good deals to customers that can afford private care. I am fine with that.

You need to expand your sources of information and maybe once in a while listen to people who do work in the healthcare industry and who do deal with government run healthcare programs Like Medicaid and Medicare. Just because you believe in something doesn’t mean it’s going to work the exact way you want it to and that everybody’s going to follow your beliefs in lockstep

A lot of doctors will not see Medicaid patients and only see Medicare patients because most Medicare patients also have private insurance. Also, where are you going to find all these new doctors and nurses and hospitals to see 326 million people now on a new and unaffordable government healthcare program

Again, I’ve asked this question of you several times and still don’t get an answer but at what point will investors who are invested in US debt decide that we are unable to pay them back and start making demands like higher interest rates for their investments? The biggest drivers right now of our debt or Social Security and Medicare. I’m curious how all the sudden putting even more people on Medicare is supposed to make it solvent?  The answer? It won’t

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Uh huh.  And is she planning to give up her own Congressional luxury Cadillac health plan and go on this theoretical Utopian single-payer health plan she's so convinced is the answer?
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Uh huh.  And is she planning to give up her own Congressional luxury Cadillac health plan and go on this theoretical Utopian single-payer health plan she's so convinced is the answer?

 That probably will kill it. People don’t want to give up their private health insurance. And especially none of these “Medicare for All” people can really tell you how it’s going to be paid for.  We’re struggling to pay for “Medicare for Some.”   Right now, at least according to polls,  MFA, seems to have majority support. But that support does drop when the details are known.  Hospitals and doctors under that plan would only be paid at the going Medicare rate. So how is cutting the reimbursement rates of doctors going to attract people to go into the medical field?

I do believe this is a debate worth having and should have. This is a brand new massive entitlement program that we cannot  afford. It needs to be taken on with math and economics. I am not trusting my health care decisions to “I believe” or “I think” or “I hope.”

All the same promises were made with Obama care. Are the American public going to trust a whole new set of promises?
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She is also unaware that people on Medicare still have to pay out of pocket for health care.

Maybe her old sugar daddy Willie Brown can elucidate her on how "medicare" is deducted from SS benefits and lets talk about Part B overages shall we "Ho" Harris.
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They're not going to outlaw private healthcare. That would be ridiculous. The billionaires that run our world would never allow that. A public option would definitely put pressure on private healthcare because the millions of working poor that are forced to pay a lot of their money for decent healthcare would rather just use the public option. Lots of people would use it because lots of people just want a doctor. They're not looking for the best in the world. That would mean private doctors have to be excellent at what they do and offer good deals to customers that can afford private care. I am fine with that.

Boy you have a lot to learn. She is calling for the elimination of private insurance. You may not know that before bammycare, private health insurers offered low costs health plans with high deductibles that were very cheap. bammycare outlawed that. Think about the government outlawing free enterprise. That is what Horizontal "Ho" Harris is advocating,
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They're not going to outlaw private healthcare. That would be ridiculous.

What part of "Eliminate private healthcare" don't you understand? She made a clear and concise comment here. There is no room for Lib spin.

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They're not going to outlaw _________. That would be ridiculous.

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When Congressmen give up their private health care plans, they can get back to me.

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You will always have one health plan for the wealthy and one for the rest of us. We'll be seeing nurses and the wealthy will be seeing doctors.

Heh heh, it will be more like this:


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Again, I’ve asked this question of you several times and still don’t get an answer but at what point will investors who are invested in US debt decide that we are unable to pay them back and start making demands like higher interest rates for their investments? The biggest drivers right now of our debt or Social Security and Medicare. I’m curious how all the sudden putting even more people on Medicare is supposed to make it solvent?  The answer? It won’t

The answer is staring us in the face. You legalize 35-40 million illegal immigrants and start collecting taxes from them, or so the radical leftists believe. The problem is if 4 out of 6 illegals have less than a high school education they are going to drain even more resources than they are now.
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This woman is dangerous.  After hearing her speak a few times it's clear she wraps this BS in the love of country and the American dream better than any socialist before her.  If she can keep this up, she will be formidable.

And no, it will not matter that she slept her way to the top.

She's very dangerous and right now, she could not be elected.  But, who knows?  That's just one reason we need to stop carping at Trump and support him.  2020 may tell the future of America.
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She's very dangerous and right now, she could not be elected.  But, who knows?  That's just one reason we need to stop carping at Trump and support him.  2020 may tell the future of America.

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