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I will choose to first believe the police to begin with, rather than the other way around.

Did you happen to read the article which indicated that one person opened fire with a .357 mag on one cop while the other tried to get the shotgun from him?
Think that was also a setup, I suppose.

First thing I read was..."undercover officer".

IOW, not in uniform or SWAT gear.

He entered the house with a pumped shotgun intending to put that barking pit-bull down.  I'll bet he never yelled "POLICE"!  "GET DOWN"!
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First thing I read was..."undercover officer".

IOW, not in uniform or SWAT gear.

He entered the house with a pumped shotgun intending to put that barking pit-bull down.  I'll bet he never yelled "POLICE"!  "GET DOWN"!
Right. Not readily identifiable as police, if undercover, a crew who would blend in on the streets.
Which may have appeared to the (now deceased) suspects as a home invasion.
No big drug bust, no pile of cash (AKA "drug money"), no dealer quantities.
That raises some questions.
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I'm starting to get a feeling things were not what we are told they were....
The woman that was shot was unarmed. She had no weapon and never fired a shot. She reacted to the officer who shot her dog by grabbing at him. That's what got her shot. She was shot because she was pissed some unknown person entered her home and shot her dog. The guy then, seeing his dog and his woman shot dead, began defending his home. And he was killed.

The story is that they were serving a warrant. But really? You couldn't just stake out the house, wait for them to go somewhere and pull the car over? I question whether this whole "Call of Duty" scenario was necessary at all. Especially since there were only two people in the home and no heroin was found.

Were the homeowners given a free chance to simply walk out and come in peacefully? Sounds like they were not. Also, they were killed over a suspicion. They were suspected of dealing heroin. We don't even know if they would have been convicted.

Very very, bad intelligence on the part of the Cops. If they deployed a dozen or more Cops to serve this warrant, they must have been expecting a house full of people. But no. There was one unarmed woman sleeping on the couch. And the guy was in the back doing whatever he was doing. This was hardly a crack house or even a drug house by far. The Cops obviously had no idea at all what was happening in that house. They must have not been watching the house at all. This thing smells bad to me.
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I'm not a fan of Art Acevedo, but I'm going to hold my fire until we know more.

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The woman grabbed for the shotgun because she was unarmed and some guy just shot her dog. If some guy burst into your home with a shotgun and fired, any one of us would have grabbed for it. Because you know damn well that you are next.

The .357 came after the fact, after the Police had already opened fire.
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I'm not a fan of Art Acevedo, but I'm going to hold my fire until we know more.

I can't stand the POS but will follow your lead none the less. I will say, however, that Art Acheveto has proven himself to be much more an activist than a police chief!

 
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As this story unfolds, some things just "don't seem right".

The dead couple in the house had no prior arrests.
No drugs were found inside the house.

Some info in this thread:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3723879/posts
(yes, I know where it's from, if you don't wish to "dirty yourself" by going there, don't. But there are some interesting posts...)

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I will choose to first believe the police to begin with, rather than the other way around.


I'm with you on this.
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I'm with you on this.
While that is my first instinct, it would not be the first time that some CI got a few bucks for a fix and the police got bad intel. Plainclothes undercover guys (dressed to blend with the riff-raff) might take on the appearance of a home invasion.

 Break down the door, shoot the dog, and it's on. Especially in a stand your ground/castle doctrine State.

If the police did not identify themselves, what could have been a relatively tame bust for some grass and whatever the powder was, turned into a blood bath, quite possibly unnecessarily.

No priors? Lived there 20 years and stayed off the radar?

A little grass, some powder? no cash stash, no heroin, no marketable quantities, no paraphernalia? Two dead and five wounded? Doesn't make sense--not that life always does.

Something doesn't set right, from the accounts given. YMMV
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While that is my first instinct, it would not be the first time that some CI got a few bucks for a fix and the police got bad intel. Plainclothes undercover guys (dressed to blend with the riff-raff) might take on the appearance of a home invasion.

 Break down the door, shoot the dog, and it's on. Especially in a stand your ground/castle doctrine State.

If the police did not identify themselves, what could have been a relatively tame bust for some grass and whatever the powder was, turned into a blood bath, quite possibly unnecessarily.

No priors? Lived there 20 years and stayed off the radar?

A little grass, some powder? no cash stash, no heroin, no marketable quantities, no paraphernalia? Two dead and five wounded? Doesn't make sense--not that life always does.

Something doesn't set right, from the accounts given. YMMV

I get what you're saying...and we won't know exactly what all was found in there for a few days.

Weed and guns make it a felony...if the powder turns our to be something like Meth or Fentanyl that just makes it worse.

I know that in the SOP for some police departments...if they are doing a raid like this...depending on the type of dog the SOP is to shoot it if it comes at you.  Drug dealers are known for using Pitbulls...Rotweilers and other large breed dogs to guard their drug houses.

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I get what you're saying...and we won't know exactly what all was found in there for a few days.

Weed and guns make it a felony...if the powder turns our to be something like Meth or Fentanyl that just makes it worse.

I know that in the SOP for some police departments...if they are doing a raid like this...depending on the type of dog the SOP is to shoot it if it comes at you.  Drug dealers are known for using Pitbulls...Rotweilers and other large breed dogs to guard their drug houses.
I get what you are saying, too.

But white powder can come off a donut, lots of people who don't even do drugs have pit bulls and rotties (to guard their stuff, and be the family pet). That should have been tested on the spot, and could have been (you see the little kits on Live PD and other police shows all the time--you'd think someone on a drug raid would have one.)

It sounds like the house didn't have anywhere near the traffic you would associate with a drug house--usually lots of people who come and go at all hours. (Druggies don't run a normal clock.)

If it was a 'bad' shoot would the PD guys plant a baggie? I don't know. I'd hope not, but it won't bring back the suspects anyway.

There may be background on these folks, social media stuff, etc. that we just don't see, that may have justified the tactics.
 I don't know--and if people are in CYA mode, we may never know.
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While that is my first instinct, it would not be the first time that some CI got a few bucks for a fix and the police got bad intel. Plainclothes undercover guys (dressed to blend with the riff-raff) might take on the appearance of a home invasion.

 Break down the door, shoot the dog, and it's on. Especially in a stand your ground/castle doctrine State.

If the police did not identify themselves, what could have been a relatively tame bust for some grass and whatever the powder was, turned into a blood bath, quite possibly unnecessarily.

No priors? Lived there 20 years and stayed off the radar?

A little grass, some powder? no cash stash, no heroin, no marketable quantities, no paraphernalia? Two dead and five wounded? Doesn't make sense--not that life always does.

Something doesn't set right, from the accounts given. YMMV
The article makes it clear that Undercover police had bought heroin from that location.

I would not say that is 'staying off the radar'.
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Police identify powder recovered in deadly drug raid

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/houston/article/Powder-found-in-police-raid-identified-13578839.php

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Three days after the botched drug raid that left two residents dead and five officers wounded, authorities identified the unknown powder they found at the scene of the bloody bust.

The Thursday news conference revealed that the powder was cocaine, perhaps answering one of the nagging questions raised after the Pecan Park raid targeting a pair of alleged heroin dealers.

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Police identify powder recovered in deadly drug raid

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/houston/article/Powder-found-in-police-raid-identified-13578839.php
You mean to tell me that a UC drug unit didn't have one of those little test kits that patrol cops carry to test stuff they find in the car after a vehicle stop (As seen on TeeVee!, Cops, Live PD, and other shows)?

They should have known one way or the other within 10 minutes.
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You mean to tell me that a UC drug unit didn't have one of those little test kits that patrol cops carry to test stuff they find in the car after a vehicle stop (As seen on TeeVee!, Cops, Live PD, and other shows)?

They should have known one way or the other within 10 minutes.
They probably knew before they planted it, which was right after they realized how bad they screwed up.

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A video of interest:

http://youtu.be/9XmflR0MWXc

A bit choppy at first, but listen to the difference in addresses and keep watching.

7815 HARDY Street v. 7815 HARDING Street

(the following is from TOS):
"The average house with typical 60 year old couple car in the drive way was 7815 Harding street. The known drug house with security cameras, bars on windows was 7815 Hardy street."
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A video of interest:

https://youtu.be/9XmflR0MWXc

A bit choppy at first, but listen to the difference in addresses and keep watching.

7815 HARDY Street v. 7815 HARDING Street

(the following is from TOS):
"The average house with typical 60 year old couple car in the drive way was 7815 Harding street. The known drug house with security cameras, bars on windows was 7815 Hardy street."

There does seem to be some underground chatter that the copes went to the wrong house.  So far it is not being presude as a possibility by the legal organ of Harris county... the Hocron.
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There does seem to be some underground chatter that the copes went to the wrong house.  So far it is not being presude as a possibility by the legal organ of Harris county... the Hocron.

Of course not! And it never will be pursued by them!
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A video of interest:

https://youtu.be/9XmflR0MWXc

A bit choppy at first, but listen to the difference in addresses and keep watching.

7815 HARDY Street v. 7815 HARDING Street

(the following is from TOS):
"The average house with typical 60 year old couple car in the drive way was 7815 Harding street. The known drug house with security cameras, bars on windows was 7815 Hardy street."

Damned right it's of interest @Fishrrman!  Thanks a ton!
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HPD officer connected to deadly raid, shootout relieved of duty

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-officer-connected-to-deadly-raid-shootout-13598143.php

Houston Chronicle by  St. John Barned-Smith , Jay R. Jordan and Keri Blakinger 2/7/2019

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A Houston police officer has been relieved of duty in light of "ongoing questions" stemming from a botched drug raid that left a couple dead and five officers wounded, police said Thursday.

It's not clear what role the officer played in the Jan. 28 bust at 7815 Harding, but law enforcement sources said his suspension comes amid a probe centered on questions over whether the sworn affidavit used to justify the no-knock warrant may have contained false information.

It's not clear if the two developments are connected.

"I know that in addition to the officer-involved shooting itself, many have questions regarding the circumstances surrounding the search warrant," Chief Art Acevedo said Thursday in response to news of the officer's suspension. "All of these questions are part of our ongoing criminal and administrative investigations."

Instead of "releasing piecemeal information," he said, the department will report findings once they've wrapped up the internal investigation. He declined to identify or release any details about the officer in question, and did not specify whether the investigation would focus on the possibility of false information in the affidavit.

"When an officer-involved shooting occurs at HPD, we consider it a legal and moral obligation to conduct a thorough and impartial investigation into the circumstances leading up to and resulting in the officer-involved shooting," he said. "There is a lot of speculation as to the circumstances regarding this officer-involved shooting at 7815 Harding Street, but we urge everyone to let the investigation take its proper course and proceed to conclusion."

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@Elderberry Thanks. I know some questions have been raised, and in light of possible confusion over the street name (Harding or Hardy?) for the raid, I'm glad to see they are at least investigating. We'll see what develops. The Houston Chronicle has said I have read my last free article, so I'm glad you posted what you did.
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@Elderberry Thanks. I know some questions have been raised, and in light of possible confusion over the street name (Harding or Hardy?) for the raid, I'm glad to see they are at least investigating. We'll see what develops. The Houston Chronicle has said I have read my last free article, so I'm glad you posted what you did.
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Thanks, @Elderberry.  Too many questions on this one.

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@Elderberry Thanks. I know some questions have been raised, and in light of possible confusion over the street name (Harding or Hardy?) for the raid, I'm glad to see they are at least investigating. We'll see what develops. The Houston Chronicle has said I have read my last free article, so I'm glad you posted what you did.

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At first, I was inclined to believe the HPD version.
As more is coming out, I'm not so sure anymore.

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At first, I was inclined to believe the HPD version.
As more is coming out, I'm not so sure anymore.

I got some really bad vibes about it from day one.
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I got some really bad vibes about it from day one.

They should know by now. Accevato is stalling... My gut tells me they are burring more dead bodies than just the homeowners. Something is rotten in the Astrodome..
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I got some really bad vibes about it from day one.
Something smelled off from the start, once the details started trickling in.

No evidence supporting a dealer in residence except for some CI, and CIs have been known to get it wrong.

In a castle doctrine state, kick down the door dressed like hood rats (plainclothes, not uniforms), and shoot the dog--if the people inside can, they will mount a defense. Especially if they don't know it is the police.

Dealers would have marketable quantities of drugs, paraphernalia, and cash. None of those were mentioned as being found.
It took days to get analysis of the white powder, when they do it on "Cops" and "Live PD" in 5 minutes. You gonna tell me a drug raid team doesn't have a test kit? Someone could have been eating powdered mini donuts and watching TV--those leave white powder all over, especially on the coffee table around the bag.

The more I learn, the more this sounds like a screwup.
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Bigun wrote:
"I got some really bad vibes about it from day one."

Yup.
This was "a bad raid" from the start.

Two innocent people are dead for defending their home against what they thought to be a home invasion.

Sorry for the cops who got shot, but they weren't acting in good faith.
(I stand behind that statement).

EVERYTHING the police did STINKS in this one.
And when the facts finally come out, that will be proven.

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I heard on the radio today that everything is going to be investigated thoroughly.
He says they owe to the wounded officers and the family of the deceased.
Repeated that 4 weapons were found ( but didn't mention what they were, if they were legally purchased or stolen, etc.).
Related that 28 grams of weed and 1.5 grams of cocaine were found.
This appears to be more of a personal use situation, not a dealer.
He said nothing else.
Yep, something went dreadfully wrong here, and he is hearing it from the community.

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28 grams of weed?  That is less than an OZ.   

Boy they brought down the kingpin with that bust.  They must be so proud.
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28 grams of weed?  That is less than an OZ.   

Boy they brought down the kingpin with that bust.  They must be so proud.

Right, personal use, not bringing down the cartel.

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I heard on the radio today that everything is going to be investigated thoroughly.
He says they owe to the wounded officers and the family of the deceased.
Repeated that 4 weapons were found ( but didn't mention what they were, if they were legally purchased or stolen, etc.).
Related that 28 grams of weed and 1.5 grams of cocaine were found.
This appears to be more of a personal use situation, not a dealer.
He said nothing else.
Yep, something went dreadfully wrong here, and he is hearing it from the community.
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They also found two 12-gauge shotguns, a 20-gauge shotgun, a .22-caliber rifle and a second rifle — but no 9mm handgun described in the warrant.

No evil black rifles. Looks like a hunter's small collection.

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The story changed. First, it was reported that they were serving a warrant. Later, it was reported to be a raid on a drug house. It is never explained why nobody had eyes on the house. If they were watching the house, they would have known only two people were home. Also, they could have simply waited for them to leave to go somewhere and simply pull the car over to take away the home advantage. The whole Ghestapo raid show was entirely unnecessary.

The amount of drugs found is so small, they could have easily have been planted (or not) to justify the raid.

The officers who were injured may 'recover' but that doesn't mean that they will not face lifelong debilitation. I would hate to find out that I risked my life and almost died over a blunt and a blow of coke.

This incident is the result of an incompetent, trigger-happy Police department which did not independently verify (with their own eyes on) information they received from an anonymous source. Instead, they went in shooting right off the bat. There is no indication that they ever gave the homeowners a chance to simply come out and surrender.
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If the CI that the cops relied upon is smart, he would become invisible.

True.
Today, I am left wondering if the CI even exist.
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 SCOTT HENSON QUESTIONS HOUSTON POLICE NARCOTICS RAID.
Eleven unanswered questions about the botched police raid in Houston

By Scott Henson Grits for Breakfast February 2, 2019

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Four officers were shot and two suspects and their dog are dead after a botched narcotics raid in Houston. Friends and family of the deceased say they were innocent victims. Obviously, I hope all the officers recover. But having watched this play out in the press for several days, Grits has questions.

Here's the background: According to the search warrant, police claimed they sent a confidential informant into the home who had assisted in 10 or more prior investigations, all of which had led to arrests and seizures. They searched the CI, gave him cash, and allegedly watched him go into the home in question. He came out with brown heroin in a bag, telling police he'd seen many other bags of heroin and a 9mm pistol. The officers placed the home under surveillance until they could get a warrant.

Problem is, they found no bags of heroin. There was no 9mm pistol. But when the narcotics unit (not a SWAT team) entered the home at five in the afternoon, announcing themselves as the battering ram broke the door down, there was an angry pit bull facing them that an officer immediately killed with a shotgun blast. At that, one of the homeowners returned fire, and an intense gunfight occurred.

The homeowners didn't have a 9mm, but they did have shotguns and a .357 Magnum, and they responded to the home invasion the way many gun owning Texas homeowners brag they would. Maybe they were violent criminals trying to kill police, but they could also have been unwitting victims of a lying informant who didn't understand who had broken down their door and shot their dog.

That's the first question: Were these people heroin dealers? The available evidence says no, and regrettably, they're not around to defend themselves against the allegation. Their neighbors told reporters they almost never had visitors, and their friends and family adamantly deny the charge. Cocaine was allegedly found on the scene, but one bag, at user levels. And the multiple bags of brown heroin and 9mm weapon alleged in the search-warrant affidavit were nowhere to be found.

So the second question is: Where did the informant get the heroin? Police claimed they followed best practices, searching the informant beforehand and watching him go in and out. The couple couldn't have moved it because police had the house under surveillance. And they'd have seen if there'd been enough customers for all the volume to deplete. So if the informant brought back heroin, where did it come from?

Third question: Is it plausible that this couple would sell smack to a CI sent to their front door whom they'd never met before? Something there doesn't add up.

Fourth question: Will the Conviction Integrity Unit at the Harris County District Attorney's Office now review those 10+ cases using this informant in the past? If he lied about this couple selling heroin, what else might he have lied about?

Fifth question: HPD claimed they raided the home for safety reasons because they knew there was a gun inside (even though they had bad information about that; there was no 9mm). But given the outcome, was it really safer? It was 5 p.m., so they were awake. Mightn't the outcome have been better if they'd just knocked on the front door?

Sixth question: Should police use "dynamic entry" to execute search warrants every time there's reportedly a gun in the home? There are probably guns in half the homes in Texas! Relatedly, if you're afraid someone might shoot at you when you break down their door, why not just wait outside for them to come out? The house was already under surveillance.

Seventh question: Were these narcotics officers sufficiently trained to perform a dynamic entry? There's a subsidiary question: why wasn't a SWAT team used? After his wife and dog had been killed, the husband, a Navy veteran with no criminal record, snuck out the back and opened fire on the officers from behind, the Houston Chronicle reported. This was a basic tactical error - someone should have been manning the back door. Also, such raids are frequently conducted pre-dawn to minimize the chance suspects will be awake and shoot back. This one was performed at five in the afternoon. So did these narcotics cops just not know what the hell they were doing?

Eighth question: Could they have raided the wrong house? The search warrant affidavit says police watched the informant go into the house and come out with drugs, then watched it until they raided it. But what if that's a lie? What if the informant merely told an officer the address of the house, and got it wrong? Otherwise, where is the heroin?

Ninth question: How much was the informant paid for this service? What is this person's background? How much was s/he paid in the past, and for what services? An officer vouched for the person in the search warrant affidavit, what was their relationship? It's okay to tell, the person can never be used as an informant again.

Tenth question: Chief Art Acevedo said neighbors thanked police for taking out a known drug house. But reporters interviewed every neighbor they could find and everyone said these were quiet people who seldom had visitors, loved animals, and kept to themselves. Why weren't those grateful neighbors corroborating the chief's claims to reporters?

Eleventh question: Why does Fox and Friends give union boss Joe Gamaldi a platform? The guy's a blowhard.

MORE: On Twitter, someone suggested another excellent question: "Who shot who?" It was said the wife was shot when she lunged for a downed officer's shotgun after her dog had been killed. Does that mean she was unarmed at the time and the husband did all the shooting? Were any of the police injured by friendly fire? Who shot who is an excellent question.
 

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An article on the topic that includes other "no-knocks" gone bad in Texas (see esp. the "Henry Magee" incident in 2013):  https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/a-no-knock-raid-in-houston-led-to-deaths-and-police-injuries-should-police-rethink-the-practice/
 

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HPD Chief Acevedo says narcotics cop committed likely crime by lying in affidavit for deadly raid

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-police-shooting-affidavit-confidential-13620120.php

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Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said an undercover narcotics officer involved in a deadly  botched drug raid will likely face criminal charges as questions about the case continue to emerge.

"There's a high probability there will be a criminal charge," Acevedo said Friday after a police affidavit into an ongoing investigation was filed raising questions about the integrity of the Jan. 28 drug bust.

"We will take as much time as it takes to get to the bottom of this," Acevedo said.

He said prior cases handled by Officer Gerald Goines will be reviewed, and the entire narcotics unit will face an "extensive audit" of their practices.

Houston police have been unable to find the confidential informant behind the drug buy that set off a deadly narcotics raid last month, according to the warrant affidavit signed last week.

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HPD Chief Acevedo says narcotics cop committed likely crime by lying in affidavit for deadly raid

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-police-shooting-affidavit-confidential-13620120.php

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A LOT more. (From the link above):

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In the original warrant - the one used to justify the raid - Goines wrote that he watched the buy and, along with Bryant, identified the substance as heroin. But when investigators went back to talk to Bryant, he admitted that he'd actually retrieved two bags of heroin from the center console of Goines' car, at the instruction of another officer.
Things didn't add up...
We smelled a rat...
Pretty damning, that.
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The murdered two innocent people.  But no one will go to jail.
So far, that's the way it looks. Maybe not 100% innocent, maybe they were and the evidence was planted after the fact. But definitely not actively dealing Heroin, or they'd have found some.
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They either got the wrong address
or they got bad information
or they were all just Rambo gun nuts looking to make their bones for a medal. And they wound up getting several officers disabled, and two innocent civilians killed.

Or, all three are true.

No matter what they say or 'find', there was no reason at all to kill these two people. That is murder. The civilians just acted the same way any of us would have done, to defend from an armed invasion by unknown assailants.
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They either got the wrong address
or they got bad information
or they were all just Rambo gun nuts looking to make their bones for a medal. And they wound up getting several officers disabled, and two innocent civilians killed.

Or, all three are true.

No matter what they say or 'find', there was no reason at all to kill these two people. That is murder. The civilians just acted the same way any of us would have done, to defend from an armed invasion by unknown assailants.
That's most of the way it looks so far from here, too.
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Houston police officer in drug raid had previous allegations against him

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-police-officer-in-drug-raid-had-previous-13621276.php

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Even before the deadly drug raid that left two civilians dead, Houston Police Officer Gerald Goines had a troubling history of allegations against him.

The undercover case agent in the Jan. 28 Pecan Park raid had been involved in multiple shootings, racked up a smattering of written reprimands, faced several lawsuits and is currently accused of fabricating a drug deal then lying about it in court to win a conviction against a man who has long maintained he’s innocent, according to a Houston Chronicle review of internal police records and court documents.

Through it all, the longtime narcotics officer consistently racked up glowing reviews and praise from supervisors who called his work “impressive” and wrote that he set a “good example for new officers in the squad,” according to police records. Last month, as Goines lay in the hospital after the gun battle, Chief Art Acevedo praised his courage, describing the 54-year-old sergeant as “strong as an ox” and “tough as nails.”

But on Friday, Acevedo offered a very different narrative. Now, he said, the veteran officer — who’s still in the hospital recovering from a gunshot wound to the neck — could face criminal charges after investigators realized they couldn’t find the informant reportedly behind the undercover buy used to justify the no-knock warrant.

Law enforcement experts say that’s indicative of a unit without sufficient oversight, where repeated complaints and lawsuits don’t lead to any apparent internal review.

“The number and type of incidents should be a red flag for any police organization to go back and look at exactly what happened in any and all of the incidents,” said Larry Karson, associate professor of criminal justice at the University of Houston-Downtown.

The Chronicle typically does not publish the names of undercover officers, but Goines was publicly identified Friday after the release of recent court documents.

Previous drug buys questioned

Previous allegations surfaced about Goines in at least two drug buys, with the officer accused of lying under oath and mishandling drug evidence, and questions arising about his use of a confidential informant.

One of those cases — which stems from a decade-old drug bust — is still winding its way through the appeals process, as attorneys for 63-year-old Otis Mallet argue that he’s innocent and was wrongfully convicted as the result of the case agent’s alleged misconduct.

The 2011 conviction stemmed from a drug bust three years earlier, when Goines met up with Mallet’s brother at a house on Danube Street for an undercover buy. Goines planned to make a crack bust with $200 of police money, which he allegedly handed over to Mallet’s brother, Steven, according to court records.

Afterward, he said, he watched the man go over to Mallet, who plucked something out of a can in his truck and handed it over in exchange for the cash. Then Steven returned with the score: a quarter of crack, records show.

Goines was the only witness to the alleged deal. After he drove away, backup officers swooped in to make the arrest, seizing a can containing crack cocaine from behind the house next door. When the case made it to trial, Goines testified in court that he watched Mallet take the can from his truck and put it by the neighbors’ house while police were arresting his brother.
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