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It is disingenuous to blame Trump for political failures. He is not the career politician. Ryan and McConnell are career politicians. They knew when the best time was to bring the big issues to a head and did everything in their power to avoid that moment. Trump's failure was in listening to them.


That’s nonsense. Supposedly, his strengths were decision and deal making. Last year, at Camp David, he sat with the congressional leadership and made the decision to back their plan for 2018. Mostly, that was based on securing $400M in donations from the Kochs, who were well known opponents of the wall and major immigration reform. He doesn’t get a pass on listening to others, because, just a couple months before the meeting, he said this to Laura Ingraham....


"The one that matters is me," Trump continued Thursday night. "I'm the only one that matters because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. You've seen that, you've seen it strongly."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-state-department-tillerson-only-one-that-matters-2017-11
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How do you know that? But even if true building the wall will free up resources to be used else where.

it is general knowledge......not something trump blubbers about to his base

Most of it comes into the country via ships hidden inside other products.

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Trump is fighting as hard as he can to get the wall built, that is all he can do. Blame that snake Paul Ryan for not funding
the wall. Let's see what happens in 3 weeks. Also Ruth seat will be open soon, if Trump nominates Amy Barrett it will be
a home run for conservatives.

not really.....trump was going to sign off on a budget deal in december until fox news reprogrammed him

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To answer the original question, no. He wants the issue alive to keep the base riled up(from The Art of the Deal: "...a spectacle can impress people even if there is no substance behind it....") but a wall as he promised (to quote Trump- sea to shining sea, concrete, 50 feet high, Mexico paying for it) is not going to happen.

He will, as also paraphrased from The Art of the Deal: ".....hire a ton of bulldozers and dump trucks to move dirt around the site, so it would look extremely busy ...What the bulldozers and dump trucks did wasn’t important, I said, so long as they did a lot of it......"  (Ironically, this was one of his bankrupt projects)
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I guess the main question is: Is he going to make Mexico pay for it? Like he promised?

Don't be lame @kevindavis   Mexico will pay for the wall and pay dearly.  They will lose their main market for drugs; they will have to deal with their own sorry losers and crooks and not be able to ship them off to us.

Oh, yeah, Mexico will pay for the wall.
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This is false logic .... beyond that, it is entirely untrue

@Mesaclone does not do false logic, that's your job.  And his post is entirely true.  Plus Mexico will lose so much revenue from not being able to ship drugs into our country.  Do you really think the Mexican government doesn't get some kick back from the drug money?

Plus they'll have to keep all the losers, rapists and reprobates they are presently shipping over to us.
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Trump doesn’t care about America or Americans .... he cares about feeding his ego....before all is said and done, you will learn this. Unfortunately at that point it will be too late for the GOP

I cannot even believe the ignorance @BlueHammer   Trump has done more for our country in two years than any president in memory.  He is a true conservative who believes in reducing the size of government, in making trade fair for America; in supporting business and making the economy and job market good again.  He's supporting our oil industry and ... so much more.
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:laugh:  Lookie here .... a NeverTrumper fighting for the GOPe.  Nice to see Bill Kristol's found some freelance work.    888blackhat

BTW, welcome to TBR.  I look forward to our discussions.  88devil

I don't @Right_in_Virginia  You can never discuss anything with a person that ignorant and biased.

I'm sick of all the NTers here and even sicker of the fairly sane people who are constantly second guessing Trump and failing to stand by him.  I keep having to take mini-vacations from the site because I'm just sick, sick, sick of them
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Emjay:  Don't be lame @kevindavis   Mexico will pay for the wall and pay dearly.  They will lose their main market for drugs; they will have to deal with their own sorry losers and crooks and not be able to ship them off to us.

Oh, yeah, Mexico will pay for the wall.

Mexico is not going to pay for the wall because there will be no wall.  Part of the NWO pukes' plan is to destroy the sovereignty of the USA.  That is the ONLY way they gain control.  Trump and Brexit are nothing more than temporary flies in the ointment.  It will be business as usual in 2-6 years. 

And you think it is ONLY the Mexican elected officials corrupted by the cartels?  Get real, they control plenty in our Congress.  Money talks.  You think Pelosi and her husband got their $100 million in worth making smart investments?  Please!

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Mexico is not going to pay for the wall because there will be no wall.  Part of the NWO pukes' plan is to destroy the sovereignty of the USA.  That is the ONLY way they gain control.  Trump and Brexit are nothing more than temporary flies in the ointment.  It will be business as usual in 2-6 years. 

And you think it is ONLY the Mexican elected officials corrupted by the cartels?  Get real, they control plenty in our Congress.  Money talks.  You think Pelosi and her husband got their $100 million in worth making smart investments?  Please!

You and your ilk are part of the problem.  Y'all deserve Pelosi and those 3 crazy new House members.

Unfortunately, the rest of us would have to suffer.
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I don't @Right_in_Virginia  You can never discuss anything with a person that ignorant and biased.

I'm sick of all the NTers here and even sicker of the fairly sane people who are constantly second guessing Trump and failing to stand by him.  I keep having to take mini-vacations from the site because I'm just sick, sick, sick of them

Well, you know what I always say? Life is like a Chinese banquet. Between the Peking duck and the sweet and sour fish, you have to expect a little chicken feet soup. So, laugh, darn you, laugh.

The way I see it, lot of people here gonna be eating crow feet after February 15th.

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I cannot even believe the ignorance @BlueHammer   Trump has done more for our country in two years than any president in memory.  He is a true conservative who believes in reducing the size of government, in making trade fair for America; in supporting business and making the economy and job market good again.  He's supporting our oil industry and ... so much more.

That is very sad MJ how far you've gone. He really hasn't done anything of substance other than talk. He has grown the deficit to record levels, even outpacing the rate of debt that the two prior presidents added. He certainly isn't Conservative in the traditional sense, he is a Nationalist Populist and is touting the age-old populist trappings (akin to Pat Buchanan and even so far as Woodrow Wilson in regards to trade). You contradicted yourself in regards to 'reducing government' and 'making trade fair' because with the latter, he is expanding government having it micro-manage industries and the economy to non-wartime levels not seen since Woodrow Wilson. He may be supporting our oil industry in some ways, but harming it in others (tariffs are causing an issue with pipeline supplies as one example; another, bowing to the Saudis letting the dump oil on the market bragging about how cheap it is hurts domestic prices).

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I don't @Right_in_Virginia  You can never discuss anything with a person that ignorant and biased.

I'm sick of all the NTers here and even sicker of the fairly sane people who are constantly second guessing Trump and failing to stand by him.  I keep having to take mini-vacations from the site because I'm just sick, sick, sick of them

You just verbalized the problem many see with 'Trumpism' and what has become of the right. It is not the people's job to stand by the government. As Conservatives, it should be by our nature, to distrust centralized government and to always question it and keep it in check.

We've come a long way from Reagan's "The most terrifying words in the English language...." to now, expecting unquestioning allegiance to the government.

For many with long established Conservative and Libertarian streaks, the more we are told that we must 'stand by the government' and not 'second guess' that is the time we should stand up even more and say no. Any federal government person or entity (or the base of) that demands this is coming across as someone trying to pull something over our eyes.

Our values don't need blind loyalty, they speak for themselves.

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@Emjay

Yeah, don’t bother with feeling a sense of pride and being optimistic about the future and about Trump’s accomplishments so far under difficult circumstances.

Supporting your republican president is so overrated, anyway.

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This site is no different than real life.  Most of America despises Trump.  I have been a loyal deplorable since the 2nd week of his announcing he would run.  Sadly, he has both parties actively working against him along with the corrupt and despicable media, whose reporting of the news has gone way beyond journalism/reporting to manufacturing the news.

Congress has proven they are not on the same page as the president.  At this point, he has control of neither house in Congress.  He might as well do what Obama did, and side step Congress all together and issue out executive orders to get things done, knowing it will be the courts to decide everything.  Better that approach than wasting endless time with the likes of Pelosi and Schumer, who only know the word no for the next two years.  And McConnell is another active agent against Trump, for he has done next to nothing for two+ years.

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I cannot even believe the ignorance @BlueHammer   Trump has done more for our country in two years than any president in memory.  He is a true conservative who believes in reducing the size of government, in making trade fair for America; in supporting business and making the economy and job market good again.  He's supporting our oil industry and ... so much more.

a person with a normal level of reason and intelligence walks into a room of crazy people..... ahhhh, never mind

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I don't @Right_in_Virginia  You can never discuss anything with a person that ignorant and biased.

I'm sick of all the NTers here and even sicker of the fairly sane people who are constantly second guessing Trump and failing to stand by him.  I keep having to take mini-vacations from the site because I'm just sick, sick, sick of them

well.....maybe that's because those fairly sane people see him for the piece of poop that he is........you will eventually agree with them....it may not seem like that now, but trust me

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You and your ilk are part of the problem.  Y'all deserve Pelosi and those 3 crazy new House members.

Unfortunately, the rest of us would have to suffer.

this is funny......you should read this.....fact is that red states need blue states to survive

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2018/03/13/red-states-blue-states-two-economies-one-nation/

Blue states, on the whole, contribute more tax revenue to federal coffers than they receive in return. So in aggregate, the federal government transfers wealth from the blue states to the red states.

Blue staters, on the other hand, ease the consumption gap by saving more and purchasing durable goods. Of course, poorer households often cannot save and thus must rely on fiscal transfers, so this red state-blue state gap might just be the result of wealth disparities between the two cohorts.

Whatever the cause, the study demonstrates that the current polarization in US politics is misguided and counterproductive. Economically speaking, the red states benefit from the blue states through government redistribution and transfers of capital from blue state savers to red state investments via capital markets.

Blue states benefit from red states, on the other hand, which fuel their higher growth and higher income with attractive investment opportunities as well as cheaper labor and lower prices.

The current political polarization is undermining not only the sense of unity among the American people, but also the future economic growth of the country as a whole.


sounds like y'all aren't as opposed to socialism as you think.......either way, you might be more conservative and I might be more liberal but get one thing straight.......blue states are much better at capitalism than red ones
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Mexico is not going to pay for the wall because there will be no wall.  Part of the NWO pukes' plan is to destroy the sovereignty of the USA.  That is the ONLY way they gain control.  Trump and Brexit are nothing more than temporary flies in the ointment.  It will be business as usual in 2-6 years. 

And you think it is ONLY the Mexican elected officials corrupted by the cartels?  Get real, they control plenty in our Congress.  Money talks.  You think Pelosi and her husband got their $100 million in worth making smart investments?  Please!

Well, their grape vineyards must be very profitable.  :whistle:
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this is funny......you should read this.....fact is that red states need blue states to survive

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2018/03/13/red-states-blue-states-two-economies-one-nation/

Blue states, on the whole, contribute more tax revenue to federal coffers than they receive in return. So in aggregate, the federal government transfers wealth from the blue states to the red states.

Blue staters, on the other hand, ease the consumption gap by saving more and purchasing durable goods. Of course, poorer households often cannot save and thus must rely on fiscal transfers, so this red state-blue state gap might just be the result of wealth disparities between the two cohorts.

Whatever the cause, the study demonstrates that the current polarization in US politics is misguided and counterproductive. Economically speaking, the red states benefit from the blue states through government redistribution and transfers of capital from blue state savers to red state investments via capital markets.

Blue states benefit from red states, on the other hand, which fuel their higher growth and higher income with attractive investment opportunities as well as cheaper labor and lower prices.

The current political polarization is undermining not only the sense of unity among the American people, but also the future economic growth of the country as a whole.


sounds like y'all aren't as opposed to socialism as you think.......either way, you might be more conservative and I might be more liberal but get one thing straight.......blue states are much better at capitalism than red ones

Let's keep this simple for those of you who are...well...liberals...reversing your indoctrination and countering your talking points can be painful for you so I'll try to be gentle.

The top 12 states (and DC) in terms of welfare payouts:
1. Hawaii
2. DC
3. Massachussets
4. Connecticut
5. New York
6. New Jersey
7. Rhode Island
8. Vermont
9. New Hampshire
10. Maryland
11. California
12. Oregon

California and New York spent 166.8 billion on welfare in 2015...add in Illinois, New Jersey, Mass., Maryland, Virginia, Michigan and Washington...and those 9 liberal states BY THEMSELVES spend more on welfare than the rest of the nation combined.

The tool you used accounts for those...be they individuals or tech and capital companies, at the very top end of the economic scale...ironically, comparable to President Trump in terms of business acumen. Such companies and persons reside predominantly in liberal bastions like California, New York and Illinois...and account for massive amounts of spending, investment and capital generation. This creates a facade of Capitalism but in actuality, it simply represents a physical transfer of capitalistically generated resources into a Socialist arena...sadly...propping it up.

These business folks and companies, of course, cut deals with these states and/or shelter their assets elsewhere while consuming the resources and affordable labor in the capitalistic Red States you demean...and the silly formula from your article seeks to portray this as Red State dependency. In fact, its a Red state symbiosis with wealthy companies and persons...an exercise demonstrating how capitalism generates true wealth and production...who utilize the investment friendly and business promoting policies of red states.

Sadly, that Red State generated capital is heavily siphoned back to Blue state areas...not via capitalistic modes, but through simple physical transfer...where it becomes part of the welfare state in those Socialist islands.

If Red states were to assume the Socialist policies of places like California and New York, the capital investment from those states would be stymied...or more likely shunted overseas to a greater degree than it has already. In either case, Capital may be residing in Blue states...but it is being generated in the Red states. Proclaiming this means Blue states are somehow more self sufficient when they are being run as mini-Soviets is quite simply a lie...a classic case of Twain's "lies, damn lies, and statistics".

California is akin to a locust colony. The locusts have now annihilated the natural wonders of that state and are moving on to new fields in adjacent areas like Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana and Colorado...bringing their high taxation ideas, Social Justice garbage, and enviro-stupidity with them.

Capitalism brings opportunity and shared wealth. Socialism...which pervades every fiber of California style governance...looks great when it can suck from the nearby teat of successful capitalism, but as it consumes that Golden Goose it quickly turns inward and cannabilizes itself until nothing of value remains. The 20th century is a testament to that process...and Socialism has brought more evil into the world than any economic philosophy ever conceived. So take your Blue state idiocy and shove it up your Malibu Beach.
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Let's keep this simple for those of you who are...well...liberals...reversing your indoctrination and countering your talking points can be painful for you so I'll try to be gentle.

The top 12 states (and DC) in terms of welfare payouts:
1. Hawaii
2. DC
3. Massachussets
4. Connecticut
5. New York
6. New Jersey
7. Rhode Island
8. Vermont
9. New Hampshire
10. Maryland
11. California
12. Oregon

California and New York spent 166.8 billion on welfare in 2015...add in Illinois, New Jersey, Mass., Maryland, Virginia, Michigan and Washington...and those 9 liberal states BY THEMSELVES spend more on welfare than the rest of the nation combined.

The tool you used accounts for those...be they individuals or tech and capital companies, at the very top end of the economic scale...ironically, comparable to President Trump in terms of business acumen. Such companies and persons reside predominantly in liberal bastions like California, New York and Illinois...and account for massive amounts of spending, investment and capital generation. This creates a facade of Capitalism but in actuality, it simply represents a physical transfer of capitalistically generated resources into a Socialist arena...sadly...propping it up.

These business folks and companies, of course, cut deals with these states and/or shelter their assets elsewhere while consuming the resources and affordable labor in the capitalistic Red States you demean...and the silly formula from your article seeks to portray this as Red State dependency. In fact, its a Red state symbiosis with wealthy companies and persons...an exercise demonstrating how capitalism generates true wealth and production...who utilize the investment friendly and business promoting policies of red states.

Sadly, that Red State generated capital is heavily siphoned back to Blue state areas...not via capitalistic modes, but through simple physical transfer...where it becomes part of the welfare state in those Socialist islands.

If Red states were to assume the Socialist policies of places like California and New York, the capital investment from those states would be stymied...or more likely shunted overseas to a greater degree than it has already. In either case, Capital may be residing in Blue states...but it is being generated in the Red states. Proclaiming this means Blue states are somehow more self sufficient when they are being run as mini-Soviets is quite simply a lie...a classic case of Twain's "lies, damn lies, and statistics".

California is akin to a locust colony. The locusts have now annihilated the natural wonders of that state and are moving on to new fields in adjacent areas like Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana and Colorado...bringing their high taxation ideas, Social Justice garbage, and enviro-stupidity with them.

Capitalism brings opportunity and shared wealth. Socialism...which pervades every fiber of California style governance...looks great when it can suck from the nearby teat of successful capitalism, but as it consumes that Golden Goose it quickly turns inward and cannabilizes itself until nothing of value remains. The 20th century is a testament to that process...and Socialism has brought more evil into the world than any economic philosophy ever conceived. So take your Blue state idiocy and shove it up your Malibu Beach.

canned party-line gibberish........sad part is that you actually believe it

blue states spend more of their own money on their voters AND provide revenue to the federal government to hand out to red states......in MA, no elderly person needs to worry about ending up in the street. MAhealth will fund their assisted living / nursing home stays.....you can call it sucking on teat.....I call it compassion and the idea that any society is no stronger than it's weakest.

top 5 in education:
1 - Massachusetts
2 - New Jersey
3 - Connecticut
4 - New Hampshire
5 - Vermont

5 healthiest states
1 - Massachusetts
2 - Hawaii
3 - Vermont
4 - Utah
5 - Connecticut

top 5 states for healthcare

1 - Hawaii
2 - Massachusetts
3 - Minnesota
4 - Vermont
5 - Utah

top 5 states per capita GDP
1     Massachusetts
2     New York
3     Connecticut
4     Alaska
5     Delaware

and then it's the wall of shame........the pic shows at the top which states gain the most from the fed per capita and at the bottom are the ones who pay the most to the fed per capita.....I would be glad to go to a zero net between the fed and the states.......whaddya say?




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Please try to post statistics relevant to the point at hand. The tax money going to the Feds from states like NY and Cali is higher than...however...the source of the revenue is the question. There is much wealth in a few hands...and companies...in the Blue States. This is a true irony, as these supposedly "egalitarian" social justice states are where you can find the worst kinds of wealth disparities...a true "elite ruling over the unwashed...though moderately educated" masses (noting that a great number of these "moderately educated" folks have Liberal Arts degrees of the most useless variety).

That wealth which exists in coastal Blue States goes to the Fed in taxes...and to a simpleton, it looks like those states are somehow "contributing" more to the Fed coffers and thus, by percentage, taking less. Not being a simpleton, its easy for myself and others to discern that the wealth in question is a combination of that generated by these companies via capitalistic transactions centered in Red States like Texas...and/or...is simply "old money" in the hands of social elites who flock to Blue States.

So, a big chunk of that "Blue state" contribution you keep citing is actually just revenue generated from capitalistic activity attributable to Red State tax and business policy. Further, much of that "contribution" is simply related to the accumulation of national wealth in the hands of rich folks who have moved to and live in Cali and NY. Simply existing in those states and being wealthy is not "capitalistic"...in fact...its simply the  movement of capitalistically attained assets moving to those states and being siphoned off to prop up the idiocy of Socialism.

I realize some liberal professor...or several...have indoctrinated you with this garbage but you've got to learn to think for yourself. Simply repeating non-contextual data that doesn't really support your argument is not thinking...its repeating pablum.

You are advocating for a Socialistic mindset...pretending that Socialism somehow generates a stronger form of Capitalistic economic function. And its just not true. Socialism in places like Cali/NY are simply sucking of the profits of capitalistic ventures across the nation and wasting it on social justice-enviro-taxation idiocies...the very kind resulting in the happy situation we now see in Venezuela.

I don't mind arguing with liberals. I just wish we could find one or two who are not simple "regurgitators"...and they do exist...but its a bit like finding a Northern White Rhino.
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And let's be clear. California is a fiscal train wreck...BECAUSE it is functioning in a way that impedes Capitalism and imposes Socialism via government...and it is unsustainable. You are making an argument for Blue states...whilst the quintessential "Blue state" is economically self destructing at a time when the rest of the nation is experiencing an economic boom. Cali is a fiscal nightmare...and you actually think that is a rational model for the country? Is ya stupid?


California’s Infrastructure Deficit.

That vast State Water Project was designed for a population not much greater than 25 million.  Today, on any one day, California verges on nearly 40 million people within its borders and is projected to reach 50 million if not higher.

In the last 50 years, however, California’s infrastructure needs have been ignored.

The state’s water system remains essentially is as it was in the 1960s. As for its roads, a recent headline declared that “California’s roads are some of the poorest in the nation and rapidly getting worse.”


“Driving on roads in need of repair in California costs each driver $844 per year, and 5.5% of bridges are rated structurally deficient. Drinking water needs in California are an estimated $44.5 billion, and wastewater needs total $26.2 billion. 678 dams are considered to be high-hazard potential. The state’s schools have an estimated capital expenditure gap of $3.2 billion.”

In 2017, California’s Governor Jerry Brown estimated California was “facing $187 billion in unmet infrastructure needs.”  However, the Bay Area Council Economic Institute “pegs the cost of California’s unfunded infrastructure needs at up to $737 billion and possibly as much as $765 billion.”  Who is right?  It’s hard to know but all of those figures are more than daunting.

Government Debt.
How much in debt are the California governments?  That’s hard to know too.  According to a January 2017 study, “California state and local governments owe $1.3 trillion as of June 30, 2015.”  The study was based on “a review of federal, state and local financial disclosures.”

In other words, that $1.3 trillion in debt is the amount to which California governments admit.  Other studies believe it to be more.  Indeed, one study says it is actually $2.3 trillion and a recent Hoover Institute stated that there is over $1 trillion in pension liability alone, or $76,884 per household.  Incredibly, there are 4 million current pension beneficiaries, a number that continues to grow and which exceeds the total population of 22 states.

What’s the right number?  Apparently, it is so large it is hard to accurately estimate.  In every case, the number is staggering.

California’s Taxes and Regulations.
When you consider the California legal system and its regulatory system, inclusive of the world’s most comprehensive global warming law, California is likely the most regulated state in the Country, if not the World.

California also is among the highest taxed states in the nation.  California has the highest income tax rates.  The top rate is 13.3%. The next closest top tax rate is in Oregon at 9.9%.  However, Oregon does not have a sales tax. California has the 10th highest sales tax.

What is remarkable about the California income tax isn’t just that it has the highest rate, it is how little income it takes, just above $52,000, to qualify for California rate of 9.3%.  Given the high cost of living in California, that means many Californians are subject to that rate.

On the other hand, for more than a decade, less than 150,000 of California’s 35+ million people pay half of all of its income tax – a highly imbalanced system.

Now, many might think California needs all of those taxes given its infrastructure deficit and debt.  The problem with that notion is that those prolonged high taxes, debt burden and regulations limit California’s economic future. After all, why would businesses locate in California in the future with the impending tax-aggeddon that must be in the offing?

Also, California’s middle class has been hollowed. A recent CNBC headline read: "Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers."  Where are they going?  Many have left for low tax states offering more jobs than California.

They have been replaced by those taking advantage of California’s magnet government policies, which increase California’s long-term spending needs. For those that remain, according to Smartasset.com "California has the highest debt-to-income ratio in the country.”

Little wonder, the demographer Joel Kotkin concluded that “the state is run for the very rich, the very poor, and the public employees.” It is also how California found itself with the worst poverty problem and why “California ranks dead last among U.S. states in quality of life, according to a study by U.S. News.”

All of which brings us to the number one reason California is not sustainable.

The California Governments.
You would think all of the above would have government officials deeply worried. So much so that they would cut back everywhere they could.  If you thought that, you would be wrong – very wrong.

California spends nearly $200 billion a year on budget and even more off-budget in the form of programs paid with bonds, i.e. debt financing. As for the pension debt, of that nearly $200 billion, in the most recent budget less than $2 billion was allocated to paying down that pension debt.  More than that was spent this year on a high-speed rail project currently estimated to cost $70 billion and which no one seems to want.

Beyond that, as I wrote earlier, California is moving ever farther left and wants the nation to pay for it. The next generation of leaders, Gavin Newsom, Kevin de Leon, Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris are significantly to the Left of the old (and “conservative” by comparison) Jerry Brown and Diane Feinstein. That new generation of leaders are supported by an influx of friendly voters who are replacing those that are leaving.

All of those leaders support the dozens of lawsuits brought by the Democrat Attorney General Xavier Becerra against the Trump Administration. Many describe those lawsuits as part of California Democrats resistance movement – a resistance designed to result in political gains more than policy benefits.

Gavin Newsom, Kevin de Leon, Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris also support some form of significantly expanded healthcare benefits if not universal healthcare – which is estimated to cost as much as $400 billion a year (that is not a typo). All of them support the California magnet policies that attracted so many of those in California illegally. In fact, there is no indication that the next generation has any concern for the future debt.  Instead, they support higher taxes.

What taxes will those be?  Within a decade you can expect higher income taxes and sales taxes.  There is always a movement afoot to do away with California’s landmark property tax protection known as Prop 13.  You also can expect a service tax – a tax on lawyers and accountants as well as hairdressers and gardeners. That service tax would be on top of the existing income tax.  Beyond all of that, sooner or later an asset tax will be proposed.  California counties already collect an asset tax on businesses.  Look for that to be proposed statewide as California lurches ever farther to the Left and if forced to confront future debt.

Is there a silver lining in this story?

If you are living in one of the 49 other states, you should learn from the lesson that is California.  If you are living in California, there is always the lesson of how Michigan came to be governed by a more centrist government.  Of course, that came after the failure of the prior government. For now, however, for all its concern for sustainable foods and products, California is on a high-speed rail to unsustainability.

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Tom Del Beccaro is the author of The Divided Era - a historical perspective about why there is so much division in America today.
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Offline Mesaclone

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https://www.businessinsider.com/top-states-american-dream-middle-class-ranked-2018-10

Top 25 places to live for middle class Americans:

19 of the top 25 are Red States. Go figure. No one wants to move to $hithole Blue Commy states...wonder why?

Also, of the 6 Blues on the list...most are closer to purple than true blue. Again, wonder why that is?
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Please try to post statistics relevant to the point at hand. The tax money going to the Feds from states like NY and Cali is higher than...however...the source of the revenue is the question. There is much wealth in a few hands...and companies...in the Blue States. This is a true irony, as these supposedly "egalitarian" social justice states are where you can find the worst kinds of wealth disparities...a true "elite ruling over the unwashed...though moderately educated" masses (noting that a great number of these "moderately educated" folks have Liberal Arts degrees of the most useless variety).

That wealth which exists in coastal Blue States goes to the Fed in taxes...and to a simpleton, it looks like those states are somehow "contributing" more to the Fed coffers and thus, by percentage, taking less. Not being a simpleton, its easy for myself and others to discern that the wealth in question is a combination of that generated by these companies via capitalistic transactions centered in Red States like Texas...and/or...is simply "old money" in the hands of social elites who flock to Blue States.

So, a big chunk of that "Blue state" contribution you keep citing is actually just revenue generated from capitalistic activity attributable to Red State tax and business policy. Further, much of that "contribution" is simply related to the accumulation of national wealth in the hands of rich folks who have moved to and live in Cali and NY. Simply existing in those states and being wealthy is not "capitalistic"...in fact...its simply the  movement of capitalistically attained assets moving to those states and being siphoned off to prop up the idiocy of Socialism.

I realize some liberal professor...or several...have indoctrinated you with this garbage but you've got to learn to think for yourself. Simply repeating non-contextual data that doesn't really support your argument is not thinking...its repeating pablum.

You are advocating for a Socialistic mindset...pretending that Socialism somehow generates a stronger form of Capitalistic economic function. And its just not true. Socialism in places like Cali/NY are simply sucking of the profits of capitalistic ventures across the nation and wasting it on social justice-enviro-taxation idiocies...the very kind resulting in the happy situation we now see in Venezuela.

I don't mind arguing with liberals. I just wish we could find one or two who are not simple "regurgitators"...and they do exist...but its a bit like finding a Northern White Rhino.

your claims are without basis.....but feel free to keep repeating it......

there are roughly 4 million millionaire house holds in the collective group of CA,NY,IL,NJ,PA,MA,MD.....about 7.5% of all households.....it's more than a few hands

why don't you try getting your facts straight before trying to express an understanding of something you apparently have no clue about