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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2019, 01:01:33 pm »
Anybody else having trouble accessing the All Star Starters ballot?

I'm guessing the server is just overloaded since voting just opened up in the last hour.  Will have to try again later ...

I don't know, I stopped voting when they changed it from those punch cards you got at the ballparks....

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« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2019, 01:05:47 pm »
I don't know, I stopped voting when they changed it from those punch cards you got at the ballparks....

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My local AAA team still has punchcards for Ballpark Bingo.  Maybe you could get a quick fix that way.   :laugh:
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« Reply #152 on: June 26, 2019, 01:12:48 pm »
My local AAA team still has punchcards for Ballpark Bingo.  Maybe you could get a quick fix that way.   :laugh:

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« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2019, 12:37:56 pm »
@GrouchoTex
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As I newbie to MLB, I find that there are so many things I don't understand -- not the least of which (but not limited to) the farm system. Drafts. Trades. Etc. Plus, quirky rules, certain strategies. So many questions come to mind as I watch my Astros, but there's no one to ask. Can either of you direct me to a site/video that explains all the aspects of MLB so I can enjoy the experience of being a baseball fan to the fullest?


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« Reply #154 on: June 29, 2019, 12:42:32 pm »
@GrouchoTex
@EasyAce

As I newbie to MLB, I find that there are so many things I don't understand -- not the least of which (but not limited to) the farm system. Drafts. Trades. Etc. Plus, quirky rules, certain strategies. So many questions come to mind as I watch my Astros, but there's no one to ask. Can either of you direct me to a site/video that explains all the aspects of MLB so I can enjoy the experience of being a baseball fan to the fullest?
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One thing you can do it search for the MLB rule book. It's just about all over the Net now.

Another thing: hunt out some of the books by the like of Rob Neyer, Thomas Boswell, Bill James, Roger Angell (one more time: he isn't baseball's Homer, Homer was ancient Greece's Roger Angell); and, such Websites as MLBTradeRumours.com, Baseball Reference, ESPN, NBC Sports's MLB coverage, and MLB.com itself.

The most important thing: watch as many games as you can!


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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #155 on: June 29, 2019, 01:01:04 pm »
My grandsons watch a ton of instructional/coaching videos on YouTube, have to see if I can find some of the channels....  great way to learn a lot about the game...

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« Reply #156 on: June 29, 2019, 01:13:11 pm »
I had the pleasure of taking my son and his girl friend to an Angels game Thursday night, his graduation present. (He graduated Friday from a special pre-college program for disabled students in southern California.) When they start announcing the Angels' starting lineup, the PA system plays this vintage record (with the vocals edited out, but it's still a kick) . . .


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« Reply #157 on: June 29, 2019, 01:26:01 pm »
@AllThatJazzZ
One thing you can do it search for the MLB rule book. It's just about all over the Net now.

Another thing: hunt out some of the books by the like of Rob Neyer, Thomas Boswell, Bill James, Roger Angell (one more time: he isn't baseball's Homer, Homer was ancient Greece's Roger Angell); and, such Websites as MLBTradeRumours.com, Baseball Reference, ESPN, NBC Sports's MLB coverage, and MLB.com itself.

The most important thing: watch as many games as you can!

@EasyAce

Thanks for responding. I have done some of the things you suggested, but I find that there's a certain baseball-speak that is used by many who are steeped in the knowledge of the game that whiz right past us novices. Even so, I'm tapping into sites, reading articles, Googling stuff and watching videos as much as possible. I listen to our announcers (love them!) as they call the game, but there's still much that goes over my head or leaves me with additional questions.

Regarding watching as much baseball as I can -- I have perfect attendance for the Astros regular-season games this year, all from the comfort of my couch. In a perfect world, I'd have a baseball geek to watch those games with who could answer the myriad of questions that pop up in my mind.

Again, thanks for the time and recommendations. I'll be sure to look into them. 


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« Reply #158 on: June 29, 2019, 03:12:54 pm »
@GrouchoTex
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As I newbie to MLB, I find that there are so many things I don't understand -- not the least of which (but not limited to) the farm system. Drafts. Trades. Etc. Plus, quirky rules, certain strategies. So many questions come to mind as I watch my Astros, but there's no one to ask. Can either of you direct me to a site/video that explains all the aspects of MLB so I can enjoy the experience of being a baseball fan to the fullest?

Jazz, as a fellow Astros fan, if you have any game questions, feel free to PM me. 
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« Reply #159 on: June 29, 2019, 06:56:36 pm »
@EasyAce

Thanks for responding. I have done some of the things you suggested, but I find that there's a certain baseball-speak that is used by many who are steeped in the knowledge of the game that whiz right past us novices. Even so, I'm tapping into sites, reading articles, Googling stuff and watching videos as much as possible. I listen to our announcers (love them!) as they call the game, but there's still much that goes over my head or leaves me with additional questions.
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I've been watching and loving baseball ever since I was six years old---when my maternal grandfather took me to the old Polo Grounds to see the Original Mets. (Yes, considering that team and its comic calamity, there may be those who'd have considered doing that child abuse. But everything you may ever have heard about them is absolutely true: it was like Abbott pitching to Costello, with the four Marx Brothers covering the infield [I don't recall for dead last certain but I think Groucho's on first, Harpo's on second, Chico's on third, and Zeppo in the I-don't-give-a-darn position), the Three Stooges in the outfield, the Harlem Globetrotters in the bullpen, the Keystone Kops on the bench, and Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton on the coaching lines.) Lots of teams have sucked? The Original Mets sucked . . . with style.

So, yes, I have been a Met fan since the day they were born (rumour has it that lifelong Met fans are eligible for disability benefits, but I have yet to see that confirmed) and a Boston Red Sox fan since the 1967 pennant race. (These were the ancient days when man's imagination ranneth not to the concept of more than three major networks, one public television network, a couple of indie networks in the second string---in my New York is was DuMont's successor Metromedia on Channel 5, WOR-TV on Channel 9who just so happened to carry the Mets---and WPIX, Channel 11, in those years the Yankees' station---and UHF, on which you could pick up out-of-area stations if the currents were right, and in 1967 I was picking up so many Red Sox games as they surprised one and all but getting into the pennant race for keeps that I became a fan.) Would you like to see my class-A drug bills from October 1986?

Don't let baseball-speak unnerve you. As you learn it and master it, you will discover two things: 1) It's a glorious language, when 2) it isn't overrun by cliches that actually injure as much as instruct. (I wrote about baseball's language recently.)

Some of the books in the baseball half of my home library include:

Roger Angell, Five Seasons, Late Innings, Season Ticket, Once More Around the Park, and Game Time. Splendid anthologies of the New Yorker essays that ultimately made him the first non-newspaper or daily baseball writer to be inducted into the writers' wing of the Hall of Fame.

Allen Barra, Clearing the Bases and Brushbacks and Knockdowns---Two collections of Barra's exquisitely logical self-instigated debates on assorted baseball questions. (Including a classic argument that the answer is: He said ninety percent of the game is mental and the other half is physical, with the question being, Who was the single greatest team player in baseball and in any sport in the 20th Century?)

Thomas Boswell, How Life Imitates the World Series, Why Time Begins on Opening Day, The Heart of the Order, Game Day, and Cracking the Show---Anthologies of the third best baseball columnist of the 20th Century who's still pretty sharp.

David Claerbaut, Durocher's Cubs: The Best Team That Didn't Win---A splendid analysis of why the 1969 Cubs blew the National League East in divisional play's first year.

Wayne Coffey, They Said It Couldn't Be Done---An equally splendid analysis of why the 1969 Mets didn't blow the NL East . . . and went all the way to a surreal World Series triumph.

Robert W. Creamer, Stengel: His Life and Times; and, Steven Goldman, Forging Genius: The Making of Casey Stengel---Two books that tell you everything you need to know to debunk any lingering sentiment that just anyone could have managed and won with the 1949-1960 Yankees. And neither book neglects Stengel the character, either.

Jay Jaffe, The Cooperstown Casebook---The single best analysis I've ever read (and you'll ever read) of the Hall of Fame.

William C. Kashatus, September Swoon---How and why the 1964 Phillies blew the pennant they had in their hip pockets and then never really contended again for the rest of the 1960s. Also recommended: Kashatus's biography of Dick Allen, those Phillies' most controversial and completely misunderstood player.

Ring Lardner, Lardner on Baseball and The Lost Journalism of Ring Lardner---Gathers his classic and forgotten (but imperative) baseball writing.

Keith Law, Smart Baseball; and, Brian Kenny, Ahead of the Curve---The two best books I've ever read about sabermetrics and advanced baseball analysis.

Jane Leavy, Sandy Koufax---The best biography you'll ever read about a pitcher who lived up to his legend on the mound and was (and is) an even better man off it.

Rob Neyer, Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Blunders---The single best gathering of some of the game's classic foul-ups, bleeps, blunders, and boners. (And we don't mean Merkle's Boner, either . . . )

George Plimpton, One for the Record---Plimpton's classic account of Henry Aaron's pursuit of and passing Babe Ruth on the all-time home run list.

Shirley Povich, All Those Mornings at the Post---Posthumous anthology of the second-best baseball columnist of the 20th Century.

Michael Shapiro, Bottom of the Ninth: Branch Rickey, Casey Stengel, and the Daring Scheme to Save Baseball From Itself---The story of Rickey's bid to form a third major league after the Dodgers and Giants left New York, and how it had ramificatoins for baseball well into the future.

Red Smith, Red Smith on Baseball---Posthumous collection anthologising perhaps the best baseball columnist of the 20th Century.

Neil J. Sullivan, The Dodgers Move West; and, Michael Shapiro, The Last Good Season---The real story of the Dodgers' leaving New York, and it wasn't just Walter O'Malley on a gold rush, either.

Jason Turnbow, Dynastic, Bombastic, Fantastic---The best book you'll ever read about Charlie Finley and the 1970s Oakland Athletics.

Tom Verducci, The Best of Tom Verducci---An anthology of perhaps Sports Illustrated's best contemporary baseball writer.

George F. Will, Men at Work, Bunts, and A Nice Little Place on the North Side---The first is Will's dive into the inner workings of baseball, those who play and manage it, and the minds behind it; the second, a collection of the baseball columns he wrote to break up the monotony of covering such lesser pursuits as politics and government; the third, his love letter to Wrigley Field on its centenary. (He grew up a Cub fan, the poor soul.  wink777 Bunts includes the two columns that would ultimately be mashed up into the much-anthologised "The Chicago Cubs, Overdue.")



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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #160 on: July 01, 2019, 10:08:58 am »
@GrouchoTex
@EasyAce

As I newbie to MLB, I find that there are so many things I don't understand -- not the least of which (but not limited to) the farm system. Drafts. Trades. Etc. Plus, quirky rules, certain strategies. So many questions come to mind as I watch my Astros, but there's no one to ask. Can either of you direct me to a site/video that explains all the aspects of MLB so I can enjoy the experience of being a baseball fan to the fullest?

@AllThatJazzZ

I like Roger Angell and Thomas Boswell a lot.

The acronyms for all of the statistics have gotten way out of hand, in my opinion.
There are a lot of new ones that have come up in the last decade or so.
I have to still use google to figure out what they are referring to.

The trade rules can be tricky, but here are some basics to that:

A player, in his 1st 3 years in the major leagues, has to take the money the ball club offers him, which could be (and oftentimes is) the league minimum.
Years 4 to 6, the player can accept a contract offer or go to arbitration.
That's where the club picks a number and so does the player, and an arbitrator picks one or the other offer put forth, and that's binding.
After year 6, a player becomes a free agent, and can sign with any team that wants them.
That last bit I can remember off the top of my head is the 10-and-5 rights.
A player who has been in the league 10 years, the last 5 of them being with the same team, can veto any trade that he doesn't agree with, and remain with the ball club his is currently with.

Lastly, I think once you start figuring out the strategies and nuances, you'll be hooked.
I think it a wonderful game, our glorious pastime.

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« Reply #161 on: July 02, 2019, 12:13:34 am »
Jazz, as a fellow Astros fan, if you have any game questions, feel free to PM me.

Thanks, @catfish1957. I think I'll take you up on your kind offer.





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I've been watching and loving baseball ever since I was six years old...

...the much-anthologised "The Chicago Cubs, Overdue.")

Wow, @EasyAce! You're a baseball-writing machine! Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check into them.

P.S. I'm still not Jazzhead. Maybe my tagline's too subtle?  :seeya:





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I like Roger Angell and Thomas Boswell a lot.

The acronyms for all of the statistics have gotten way out of hand, in my opinion.
There are a lot of new ones that have come up in the last decade or so.
I have to still use google to figure out what they are referring to.

The trade rules can be tricky, but here are some basics to that:

A player, in his 1st 3 years in the major leagues, has to take the money the ball club offers him, which could be (and oftentimes is) the league minimum.
Years 4 to 6, the player can accept a contract offer or go to arbitration.
That's where the club picks a number and so does the player, and an arbitrator picks one or the other offer put forth, and that's binding.
After year 6, a player becomes a free agent, and can sign with any team that wants them.
That last bit I can remember off the top of my head is the 10-and-5 rights.
A player who has been in the league 10 years, the last 5 of them being with the same team, can veto any trade that he doesn't agree with, and remain with the ball club his is currently with.

Lastly, I think once you start figuring out the strategies and nuances, you'll be hooked.
I think it a wonderful game, our glorious pastime.

@GrouchoTex

I see that I have much to learn. Thanks for your input. Feel free to post whatever info that pops into your mind. BTW, I'm already hooked. Here's a text exchange I had with my son-in-law who lives in the L.A. area and is a season ticket holder for the Dodgers. We had some fun smack-talking during the 2017 World Series. I was only watching because getting to the World Series was a much-needed boost for the entire Southeastern Texas Gulf Coast area after the horrible events of Harvey. Having my SIL to banter with just added to the fun. Here's an excerpt from our texts after the win:

Nov. 1, 2017
Me: I won’t be watching anymore baseball after tonight unless the Astros manage to go to the WS again. It’s not my game. The reason it matters so much this years is because (1) we actually made it to the WS, and (2) the devastating year Houston has been (is still going) through.

SIL: I get it. But I’m a baseball guy. No other sport even matters to me for watching except cricket. It’s all about bat and ball for me.

Me: I know how that feels. I was lost after football season was over, but now I’ve weaned myself off football.


And here's my text to him a few months later:

March 28, 2018
Me: I’m deciding if I want to be a baseball fan. You seem to enjoy it so much, and I had a great time watching last year’s post-season games, especially those last seven! There are an awfully lot of games to keep up with, though. I’ll be watching tomorrow and see how long that lasts. Knowing me, I’ll probably be planning my days around MLB games. Oh, well, it’s not like I actually have a social life so what the hey! Go Astros!

And as predicted, I'm now planning my days around the games. Perfect attendance so far in 2019. Kinda lost when there are off days like today. I think it's safe to say that I'm hooked.  :yowsa:
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« Reply #162 on: July 02, 2019, 01:57:19 am »
Wow, @EasyAce! You're a baseball-writing machine! Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check into them.

P.S. I'm still not Jazzhead. Maybe my tagline's too subtle?  :seeya:
Damn I can't believe I made that mistake!  :beer:


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« Reply #163 on: July 02, 2019, 10:52:04 am »
@AllThatJazzZ

Right after Harvey, The first Astros homestand was against the Mets, who had the unfortunate luck of one of their starting pitchers being named Harvey during that series.
@EasyAce has written an article about him.
I think he started on a Saturday, but I do remember he got rocked pretty good.
My wife and I went to the ballpark on Sunday, a game we won as well.

Yes, the Astros World Series win was a wonderful remedy for a city torn up by Harvey.
Let's hope it doesn't take floods, hurricanes, famine, drought or pestilence to get us to the next one!

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« Reply #164 on: July 02, 2019, 10:53:56 am »
And as predicted, I'm now planning my days around the games. Perfect attendance so far in 2019. Kinda lost when there are off days like today. I think it's safe to say that I'm hooked

@AllThatJazzZ

LOL, I can relate.
I wasn't sure what to do with myself last night, with the Astros having an off day.

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« Reply #165 on: July 03, 2019, 08:41:03 am »
Excellent list of baseball books,  @EasyAce      I have to add one more  - The Glory of Their Times, by Lawrence Ritter.    An early example of oral history,   Ritter interviewed many of the greats of the deadball era and assembled a truly enchanting panorama of how it all was a hundred years ago - and not so much different than it is today.

Baseball is the best sport in part because of its history.    The greats of yesteryear could compete with the greats of today,  and the records and accomplishments of Cobb and Mathewson can and are compared with the feats of Altuve and Bregman.   Like jazz,  that other great American contribution to the Meaning of Life,  it is that continuum and respect for what came before that lies at the heart of so many fans' obsession with the greatest game.   
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« Reply #166 on: July 06, 2019, 10:45:27 pm »
NOTICE!!  NOTICE!!  NOTICE!!

If you ever get the chance, get yourself and your children to go and see Max Scherzer when the NATS' pitcher is starting.


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« Reply #167 on: July 06, 2019, 11:17:14 pm »
NOTICE!!  NOTICE!!  NOTICE!!

If you ever get the chance, get yourself and your children to go and see Max Scherzer when the NATS' pitcher is starting.


....Thank Yewwwww!

I probably won't ever be able to do that, but I didn't mind watching Gerrit Cole shut out the Angels tonight.


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« Reply #168 on: July 06, 2019, 11:36:13 pm »
Any Rangers fans here? I have a cousin in North Texas who is not able to watch their games that are on any channel other than their local Fox. She's on satellite, but I don't know which one.

Except for the occasional local Fox broadcast, I'm able to watch all Astros games on ATTSW which is on the basic, no-bells-or-whistles cable package. How does all that work in the various markets? Why can't my cousin watch the Rangers games without a special sports package?
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« Reply #169 on: July 08, 2019, 02:14:35 pm »
I probably won't ever be able to do that, but I didn't mind watching Gerrit Cole shut out the Angels tonight.

Whew, how about that 5 hour, 11-10, 10 inning game yesterday?

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« Reply #170 on: July 08, 2019, 02:25:58 pm »
Bryce Harper vs. Juan Soto at the AS Break...


BRYCE HARPER: Ranked 57th in the NL  $33 MILLION PER YEAR FOR TEN YEARS   http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/_/id/30951/bryce-harper

His replacement at NATS Park, JUAN SOTO: Ranked 12th in the NL  $578,300 PER YEAR currently ... http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/_/id/36969/juan-soto

The Lerner family has proven to be geniuses for letting that Diva walk away.
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« Reply #171 on: July 08, 2019, 03:52:44 pm »
Whew, how about that 5 hour, 11-10, 10 inning game yesterday?

@GrouchoTex

I was exhausted, physically and emotionally. It was one of the wildest game I've seen in my entire year-and-a-half career of being a rabid Astros fan. :pop41: I learned a lot about strategies, etc., listening to Berkman explaining things to the kids.

The collision was upsetting in numerous ways. That it happened. That Jake has been demonized. That baseball is a tough game but the umps can woosify if they want to. Yes, I'm a newcomer, but I can't see a way to keep such collisions from happening when you have a fast-moving ball and a fast-moving runner headed for a base at any point in the game. Someone, please tell me where I'm wrong.

How did you hold up? Did you watch it all?


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« Reply #173 on: July 08, 2019, 04:14:31 pm »
Whew, how about that 5 hour, 11-10, 10 inning game yesterday?

On the forum I particpate in, the bigger debate is around the Lucroy v. Marsinick collision.   
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« Reply #174 on: July 08, 2019, 04:18:11 pm »
@GrouchoTex

I was exhausted, physically and emotionally. It was one of the wildest game I've seen in my entire year-and-a-half career of being a rabid Astros fan. :pop41: I learned a lot about strategies, etc., listening to Berkman explaining things to the kids.

The collision was upsetting in numerous ways. That it happened. That Jake has been demonized. That baseball is a tough game but the umps can woosify if they want to. Yes, I'm a newcomer, but I can't see a way to keep such collisions from happening when you have a fast-moving ball and a fast-moving runner headed for a base at any point in the game. Someone, please tell me where I'm wrong.

How did you hold up? Did you watch it all?

I think is going to get a suspension, based on the wussifcation of baseball trending and the Posey rule.  I have watched the collision at least 10 times, and still ask .....   When a backstop TOTALLY BLOCKS the plate.....   What is a baserunner supposed to do?
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« Reply #175 on: July 08, 2019, 04:25:11 pm »
When a backstop TOTALLY BLOCKS the plate.....   What is a baserunner supposed to do?
How about a backstop moving forward left away from the plate, which is exactly what Lucroy did just moments before Marisnick clearly left the proper baseline toward the large dirt area in front of the plate and hit Lucroy when Lucroy wasn't even close to the plate?


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« Reply #176 on: July 08, 2019, 04:28:54 pm »
How about a backstop moving forward left away from the plate, which is exactly what Lucroy did just moments before Marisnick clearly left the proper baseline toward the large dirt area in front of the plate and hit Lucroy when Lucroy wasn't even close to the plate?

Bullshit.  I've watched the replay 10 times.  By the time Lucroy made that move, Marsinick had already made his move to "unobstruct the plate". Your 3 second narrative on the how the play unfolded is fallacy versus the capabilities of the human body to process information,
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« Reply #177 on: July 08, 2019, 04:33:41 pm »
Bullshit.  I've watched the replay 10 times.  By the time Lucroy made that move, Marsinick had already made his move to "unobstruct the plate". Your 3 second narrative on the how the play unfolded is fallacy versus the capabilities of the human body to process information,
I've watched several replays several times, and my conclusion stands. Marisnick moved after Lucroy moved out forward left from the plate and Marisnick was clearly out of the baseline. If an Angels runner had done the same thing regarding Astros catcher Matt Stassi and the movements went the same way, with the same result, I'd have called it the same way and hoped Stassi might escape the worst, too, however futile the hope might be. (Lucroy does indeed have a broken nose and a concussion; he's due to leave the hospital today but how long he'll be on the IL especially under the concussion protocol is anyone's guess.)


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« Reply #178 on: July 08, 2019, 04:53:12 pm »
Marisnick did go inside the base line that part is true.
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I was exhausted, physically and emotionally. It was one of the wildest game I've seen in my entire year-and-a-half career of being a rabid Astros fan. :pop41: I learned a lot about strategies, etc., listening to Berkman explaining things to the kids.

The collision was upsetting in numerous ways. That it happened. That Jake has been demonized. That baseball is a tough game but the umps can woosify if they want to. Yes, I'm a newcomer, but I can't see a way to keep such collisions from happening when you have a fast-moving ball and a fast-moving runner headed for a base at any point in the game. Someone, please tell me where I'm wrong.

How did you hold up? Did you watch it all?

Oh yeah, I watched it all.
Marisnick and Lucroy  have started quite the discussion.
I'll watch it again.
Marisnick was inside the line, which he was not supposed to be, that I'll concede.  He would be out, but that is rarely called now.
It appears to me at first glance that he did so more to avoid the collusion, than to cause it.
Lucroy was going left back across the line more, towards his left looking down the third baseline from home, but didn't make it back out of the way fast enough.
That's what I recall but I'll have to look at again to be certain.

Not so sure it was intentional, Marisnick's crash or Lucroy's block, but that was the ultimate result, that the crash took place.
Had Marisnick stayed correctly on the base path, the results could have been much worse, Helmet-to-face, instead of shoulder-to-face.

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« Reply #179 on: July 08, 2019, 04:56:55 pm »
Had Marisnick stayed correctly on the base path, the results could have been much worse, Helmet-to-face, instead of shoulder-to-face.
Actually, if Marisnick stayed straight on the baseline there wouldn't have been a collision. Watch the replays very carefully. Lucroy moved forward left before Marisnick banked hard to his own left---Lucroy had to make that move anyway to take Calhoun's throw home on the short hop, but if Marisnick stayed on the straight baseline a) he had a better chance to score, with Lucroy just enough away from the plate, even if b) Lucroy concurrently still had a solid chance to tag him out.


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« Reply #180 on: July 08, 2019, 05:07:59 pm »
Actually, if Marisnick stayed straight on the baseline there wouldn't have been a collision. Watch the replays very carefully. Lucroy moved forward left before Marisnick banked hard to his own left---Lucroy had to make that move anyway to take Calhoun's throw home on the short hop, but if Marisnick stayed on the straight baseline a) he had a better chance to score, with Lucroy just enough away from the plate, even if b) Lucroy concurrently still had a solid chance to tag him out.
I'll take another look.
I haven't seen it since yesterday when it happened live.
They did replay it at the time, but I had thought initially Lurcoy, while he was in front plate, spun to apply the tag, and put himself in the baseline at that point.
I'll check it again.

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« Reply #181 on: July 08, 2019, 05:09:43 pm »
How about a backstop moving forward left away from the plate, which is exactly what Lucroy did just moments before Marisnick clearly left the proper baseline toward the large dirt area in front of the plate and hit Lucroy when Lucroy wasn't even close to the plate?

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« Reply #182 on: July 08, 2019, 05:19:53 pm »
100% fiction!

He wrote an article a few days ago, about going to an Angels game.  Homerism probably at its best.  I believe Jake will be suspended, but only because of the Posey rule. That's pretty black and white.  I totally stand by the fact (check the replay) that Jake did not have time to uncommit to a collision (inner baseline), by the time Lucroy made his last second move toward mid-plate.

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« Reply #183 on: July 08, 2019, 05:24:23 pm »
He wrote an article a few days ago, about going to an Angels game.  Homerism probably at its best.  I believe Jake will be suspended, but only because of the Posey rule. That's pretty black and white.  I totally stand by the fact (check the replay) that Jake did not have time to uncommit to a collision (inner baseline), by the time Lucroy made his last second move toward mid-plate.

My hopes are with Mr. Lucroy for a speedy recovery.

And I join you in wishing Lucroy a speedy recovery.  If Jake gets suspended it will be a TOTAL miscarriage and will further lower my regard for the game of baseball as it is played today.  I thought that was impossible but maybe not.
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« Reply #184 on: July 08, 2019, 05:29:35 pm »
And I join you in wishing Lucroy a speedy recovery.  If Jake gets suspended it will be a TOTAL miscarriage and will further lower my regard for the game of baseball as it is played today.  I thought that was impossible but maybe not.

I think the assinine MLB move that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, is if they decide to implement the designated runner rule, to reduce the number of extra inning games. 

MLB is hellbent on ruining the game I grew up with and loved. 

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« Reply #186 on: July 08, 2019, 06:25:23 pm »
He wrote an article a few days ago, about going to an Angels game.  Homerism probably at its best. 
I took my son and his girlfriend, both of whom live in Norwalk, California as opposed to myself living in Las Vegas, to an Angels game as a graduation present for him. Aside from that, only someone who actually didn't read what I wrote about that night could possibly accuse me of homerism, especially since my primary focus was the home runs hit in the game by both sides (the Angels, the Athletics), in light of a) the bitching this season over the home run spike and b) the fact that the loudest cheers in the ballpark that night came for---you guessed it---the home runs, and it wasn't just Angel fans making a racket over the homers, either: there was a sizeable contingency of A's fans (yes, the A's actually have fans, believe it or not) in the park making almost as much noise for their guys' home runs as the Angels' fans did for theirs.

And if I included a photograph of myself, my son, and his lady wearing assorted Angel caps, so what? The principle of when in Rome to one side, I happen to be a collector and wearer of historic baseball hats, including the reproduction of the 1961 Angels' hat I wore in the photo: it was the hat they wore in their first season in the American League, without the halo embroidered in the top of the crown yet. (That feature arrived in 1962.)

In the context of the article's major thrust of some people never being satisfied, I also mentioned the Orioles (and there are probably no fans in baseball less satisfied these days than Oriole fans) having won back-to-back shutouts in which they scored thirteen or more runs while their fans . . . bitched about the celebratory uniforms they wore that weekend, on which their jersey sleeves, the bills of their hats, and the "Orioles" script on the jersey fronts, were occupied by images of Maryland's state flag. (It was a state holiday that weekend.) And as it happened, a day or so before I departed for California for my son's graduation festivities, there arrived in my mail this hat . . .



It's the hat the Orioles wore from 1958-1962, my personal favourite of all the hats the Orioles have worn in my lifetime. I also have this one . . .



. . . which I bought in 1998 at Camden Yards itself, when I was traveling around the country, spent a couple of days in Baltimore, and a) took a guided tour of that ballpark (for those who haven't been there, it's everything you heard it was and more), before b) watching a game in the park that night.

I also have these hats (and you may rest assured I removed the tags and stickers from mine!):



(The Tigers hat I happened to buy during the aforesaid travel around the country, when I was fortunate enough to get tickets for a game at old Tiger Stadium.)

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Las Vegas's AAA level minor league team, known as the 51s from the time I first came to Vegas in 2007 until last season. And . . .


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« Reply #187 on: July 08, 2019, 10:51:59 pm »
. . . and, your 2019 Home Run Derby champion is . . . Pete Alonso (Mets), who faced Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. (Blue Jays) in the final round and beat him.


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« Reply #188 on: July 09, 2019, 08:56:48 am »
Actually, if Marisnick stayed straight on the baseline there wouldn't have been a collision. Watch the replays very carefully. Lucroy moved forward left before Marisnick banked hard to his own left---Lucroy had to make that move anyway to take Calhoun's throw home on the short hop, but if Marisnick stayed on the straight baseline a) he had a better chance to score, with Lucroy just enough away from the plate, even if b) Lucroy concurrently still had a solid chance to tag him out.

I watched it again last night.
When that throw came in, Lucroy had to move up and left to get it. Marisnick hadn't anticipated that and had the inside track already picked out that point.
He had figured Lucroy would stay where he was, or even move more "south".
It didn't work that way obviously.
That, according to Gerrit Cole, (not just me), was the ironic part.
Where Lucroy started,and where Lucroy wound up, are 2 different spots.
If Lucroy doesn't move up and left, the collusion doesn't take place.
The ironic part being that Marisinick move north to avoid it, but so did Lucroy.
Just a sad chain of events, but I do believe Marisnick was moving inside the line to avoid it, but  Lucroy also moved that same direction to catch the one-hop, off-line throw.

Yes, at the end of the day, if Marisnick takes the outside track, it doesn't happen, but that's hindsight now, after Lucroy moved to get the throw.
How could he know that the throw would be off line at that instant that it happened?
It was awfully quick.
Marisnick, under the rules, is out for leaving the base path, but we've all seen people sliding in "front" of home plate and reaching a hand out to tag the plate, and it is rarely called that the runner had left the base path.
Looking at it all over again, I do not believe it was malicious, but I do believe Marisnick still may get an suspension out of it.

Let's hope for a speedy and 100% recovery for Lucroy.



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« Reply #189 on: July 09, 2019, 09:06:22 am »
I watched it again last night.
When that throw came in, Lucroy had to move up and left to get it. Marisnick hadn't anticipated that and had the inside track already picked out that point.
He had figured Lucroy would stay where he was, or even move more "south".
It didn't work that way obviously.
That, according to Gerrit Cole, (not just me), was the ironic part.
Where Lucroy started,and where Lucroy wound up, are 2 different spots.
If Lucroy doesn't move up and left, the collusion doesn't take place.
The ironic part being that Marisinick move north to avoid it, but so did Lucroy.
Just a sad chain of events, but I do believe Marisnick was moving inside the line to avoid it, but  Lucroy also moved that same direction to catch the one-hop, off-line throw.

Yes, at the end of the day, if Marisnick takes the outside track, it doesn't happen, but that's hindsight now, after Lucroy moved to get the throw.
How could he know that the throw would be off line at that instant that it happened?
It was awfully quick.
Marisnick, under the rules, is out for leaving the base path, but we've all seen people sliding in "front" of home plate and reaching a hand out to tag the plate, and it is rarely called that the runner had left the base path.
Looking at it all over again, I do not believe it was malicious, but I do believe Marisnick still may get an suspension out of it.

Let's hope for a speedy and 100% recovery for Lucroy.

I saw it happen and watched replays till my eyes hurt. STILL cannot fathom where anyone gets the idea that Marisnick ever left the basepath!  He did not!
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« Reply #190 on: July 09, 2019, 09:18:36 am »
. . . and, your 2019 Home Run Derby champion is . . . Pete Alonso (Mets), who faced Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. (Blue Jays) in the final round and beat him.

That 2nd round between Pederson and Guerrero was epic.

Having said that, what do you think of the current format for the Home Run Derby?  I think on the whole it's pretty entertaining, but there's a definite advantage to whoever goes second.  I liked the previous "10 misses and you're out" format for a more even playing field.
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« Reply #191 on: July 09, 2019, 10:39:52 am »
I saw it happen and watched replays till my eyes hurt. STILL cannot fathom where anyone gets the idea that Marisnick ever left the basepath!  He did not!

Detractors do not realize that on a north south path to the plate, a juke move by the back stop is hard to discern, especially when your eyes are peeled on the catcher rather than the basepath.  Easy Ace blew this one.
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« Reply #192 on: July 09, 2019, 11:08:58 am »
Detractors do not realize that on a north south path to the plate, a juke move by the back stop is hard to discern, especially when your eyes are peeled on the catcher rather than the basepath.  Easy Ace blew this one.

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« Reply #193 on: July 09, 2019, 11:41:02 am »
That 2nd round between Pederson and Guerrero was epic.

Having said that, what do you think of the current format for the Home Run Derby?  I think on the whole it's pretty entertaining, but there's a definite advantage to whoever goes second.  I liked the previous "10 misses and you're out" format for a more even playing field.
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If we must have the Home Run Derby, I agree with you about the former ten-out format.

Otherwise, I'm even more in favour of doing away with the Home Run Derby entirely. Oh, sure, it's great fun. But it's also a) little more than hyped and glorified batting practise; and, b) bearing at least a 50-50 chance that those who win will have lesser second halves of seasons than they did first. I did an analysis of it in March and discovered that, among 34 Home Run Derby champions including six Hall of Famers (in order of wins: Andre Dawson, Ryne Sandberg, Cal Ripken, Frank Thomas, Ken Griffey Jr. twice, and Vladimir Guerrero Sr.), exactly one shy of half of them had lesser second halves of seasons than first. (Anomaly: Eric Davis, in the season he won the Derby, had exactly the same OPS before the All-Star break as he did after it.)

Aaron Judge declined to participate in this year's Derby because he feared either being injured while participating or incurring an injury after it. It's not an illegitimate fear, but I couldn't find anything to make an overwhelming case for that happening to Derby winners. But when he said concurrently that the Derby impacts a player's second half, I saw a stronger case for that even if it's only been 50-50 so far. Judge himself is evidence for that: he won the 2017 Derby (and put one helluva show on while he was at it), but his regular season second half was pronouncedly less than his first half was. His first half: 1.139 OPS; 208 total bases; his second half: .939 OPS; 132 total bases. And his second half was still a second half a lot of players would kill to deliver.

Sure, Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. put one helluva show on Monday night, whether he competed against Joc Pederson or Pete Alonso. (The best line about the Derby anywhere turned up on Twitter: "Joc Pederson's going after that $1 million like he's behind in his rent.") But two things to remember:

* He actually isn't an All-Star; talented as he is, his rookie season is one of making more adjustments to major league competition than was thought he'd need after he overwhelmed in the minors.

* The Home Run Derby may be great entertainment, but it isn't baseball. Say what you will about how the All-Star teams are composed and arranged, but at least the All-Star Game is baseball.

Pete Alonso, who did win the Derby, came into the All-Star break with a fat case as the National League's Rookie of the Year in the making: he's broken his team's record for homers in a season by a rookie (his 30 eclipsed Darryl Strawberry's 26 in 1983) and tied his team's record for most bombs before the All-Star break (his 30 equal Dave Kingman's 30 in 1976); and, he has a) a 1.006 OPS and a 166 OPS+ (he's sixth in the Show in the former and fourth in the latter) and b) tied with Cody Bellinger for second in the Show with his 30 bombs. It's not that his Mets are necessarily going anywhere this year (that team is riddled with issues not even a sliver of his making), but it's to see whether Alonso will have a second half equal to his first or close enough to it.

By contrast, it should be interesting to see the second half of the Astros' Alex Bregman. He was eliminated in the Derby's first round. when Joc Pederson out-homered him 21-16. But Bregman had the second-best line of the night when he was asked about the semi-final showdown between Pederson and Guerrero that went to a pair of swing-offs before Guerrero took it to set up his showdown with Alonso: I couldn't imagine three rounds of that. I was gassed after two minutes of it.

Not to mention the second halves of the others who were eliminated: Ronald Acuna Jr., Josh Bell, Matt Chapman, Carlos Santana.

On the other hand, Guerrero Jr. swung his way into a record book: he's part of the first father-and-son tandem to win Home Run Derbies. Whether he eventually becomes half of the first father-and-son tandem of players to become Hall of Famers is, of course, a wide open question the answer to which won't be known for a long enough time.


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« Reply #194 on: July 11, 2019, 02:18:52 pm »
Marisnick just received a 2 game suspension and a fine of an undisclosed amount.

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« Reply #195 on: July 11, 2019, 02:42:01 pm »
Marisnick just received a 2 game suspension and a fine of an undisclosed amount.

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  **nononono*

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Y'all are taking this better than I am. I shall have to part company with those who pushed for this in an attempt to keep my blood pressure down.

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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #197 on: July 11, 2019, 03:45:22 pm »
@GrouchoTex
@Bigun

 :#@$%:

Y'all are taking this better than I am. I shall have to part company with those who pushed for this in an attempt to keep my blood pressure down.

 :soangry: *mad* :chairbang:

Don't check social media around this issue.  Opposing fans have been absolutely disgusting in their comments about Jake.
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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #198 on: July 11, 2019, 03:46:23 pm »
Marisnick just received a 2 game suspension and a fine of an undisclosed amount.

Wonder how much he would have gotten if he was a Red Sox or Yankees player.   :pondering:
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Re: BASEBALL 2019---LET'S DO IT!
« Reply #199 on: July 11, 2019, 03:47:25 pm »
@GrouchoTex
@Bigun

 :#@$%:

Y'all are taking this better than I am. I shall have to part company with those who pushed for this in an attempt to keep my blood pressure down.

 :soangry: *mad* :chairbang:

UH! No!  Not so at all!
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