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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #125 on: December 18, 2018, 06:02:34 pm »
We can defeat these people! Don't tell yourself we can't. That's exactly what they want.

Please provide a link to where I said they can't be defeated.  I'll wait....
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2018, 06:04:04 pm »
Ok, then tell me who will be the arbiter of the public funding, other than the government?  Answer:  Nobody because the government will immediately arrogate that power to themselves before the ink is dry on the enabling Legislation.

Just like in Europe, BTW.

We can do it better than Europe. In the end there would have to be an element of government oversight, yes, but I have not given up on our ability to make the government better than it is. I refuse to believe we can't have a publicly funded election process that isn't rampant with corruption. That's exactly what the owners want you to believe. "Just hush and let us keep buying the politicians and making the rules because it's impossible to do something better." bleep that. I don't accept that.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #127 on: December 18, 2018, 06:06:17 pm »
Please provide a link to where I said they can't be defeated.  I'll wait....

It seems like there's an element of defeatism in the way you talk about it. In my opinion this is the first step towards taking our nation back.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #128 on: December 18, 2018, 06:08:26 pm »
Something/Anything always leads to unintended consequences worse than the problem it meant to cure.

Damn man. I really wish I could get through on this matter.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #129 on: December 18, 2018, 06:11:03 pm »
Damn man. I really wish I could get through on this matter.

You are never going to if you are arguing with people who measure their time involved with politics in decades.  You'll have better luck trying to convince is we need to adopt the Scandinavian "Third Way" model of governance.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #130 on: December 18, 2018, 06:12:34 pm »
It seems like there's an element of defeatism in the way you talk about it. In my opinion this is the first step towards taking our nation back.

You are entitled to think my attitude is one of "defeatism" if you like, no matter how incorrect that may be.  It's a matter of opinion.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #131 on: December 18, 2018, 06:16:30 pm »
We can do it better than Europe. In the end there would have to be an element of government oversight, yes, but I have not given up on our ability to make the government better than it is. I refuse to believe we can't have a publicly funded election process that isn't rampant with corruption. That's exactly what the owners want you to believe. "Just hush and let us keep buying the politicians and making the rules because it's impossible to do something better." bleep that. I don't accept that.

When you understand that government is always full of crooks and usurpers, you will understand why Constitutionalists are all about keeping power away from them at every opportunity.  Creating another opportunity for government to cheat is not a way of keeping power from the government because they will never willingly give up the power they have. 

The Founders understood this principle very clearly.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2018, 06:19:54 pm »
When you understand that government is always full of crooks and usurpers, you will understand why Constitutionalists are all about keeping power away from them at every opportunity.  Creating another opportunity for government to cheat is not a way of keeping power from the government because they will never willingly give up the power they have. 

The Founders understood this principle very clearly.

We make the government less corrupt by filling it with actual Americans rather than the crooked scumbags the elites have propped up for us to choose between.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #133 on: December 18, 2018, 06:23:44 pm »
We make the government less corrupt by filling it with actual Americans rather than the crooked scumbags the elites have propped up for us to choose between.

That only makes sense if you believe there are people who can't be corrupted.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #134 on: December 18, 2018, 06:25:32 pm »
That only makes sense if you believe there are people who can't be corrupted.

We can create safeguards that make corruption a lot more difficult than it is right now.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #135 on: December 18, 2018, 06:32:14 pm »
The fact that these politicians are taking checks from big international interests should be very alarming.

Funny how that alarm disappears when it comes to global warming charlatans taking big money.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #136 on: December 18, 2018, 06:37:27 pm »
Why is Cruz "damaged good" @DB
Seriously? After the well coordinated "Lyin' Ted", 7 mistresses, daddy helped 'off' JFK smear campaign?

There were (enough) people who believed that crap that Ted is, indeed damaged goods. Maybe it isn't as bad as we think, because if TOS is any measure, Republicans switch loyalties like the wind changes direction in a tornado.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #137 on: December 18, 2018, 06:37:52 pm »
Funny how that alarm disappears when it comes to global warming charlatans taking big money.

Switching to publicly funded elections would get union and university money out of politics too. The establishment left feeds on big money too as I'm sure you're all aware. This should be a bipartisan issue.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #138 on: December 18, 2018, 07:03:03 pm »
People here constantly bitch about the fact that there are no true conservatives in Washington. What we're talking about right now is why that is. Big money and average people do not and never will have the same political needs. The fact that these politicians are taking checks from big international interests should be very alarming. How can he serve Americans when he works for the very people that want to push globalism?
What big solely domestic interests are there? In a global economy, if you are big, you are international.  :shrug:

Whether it is oil, steel, agriculture, whatever, global markets mandate international corporate interests. Only smaller corporations can be solely domestic, and even those have to compete with the big boys in markets for commodities that are globally traded.

In North Dakota's 2018 Senate race, for example, Heidi Heitkamp (D) incumbent received roughly 24 million in contributions, 95% of which came from out of state. Kevin Cramer (R) senator elect, got 4 million and 70% of that was from out of state. Despite out spending Cramer, Heitkamp, an incumbent, lost--not even those millions from elsewhere could save her in a state fueled by oil and gas and agriculture.

But let's look at il and gas and agriculture. The big players on those fields, from Exxon Mobil to ADM and Monsanto, are indeed international corporations with international interests. You can't escape that unless you are going to do some serious campaign finance reform. Someone would still find a way around that, like Obama's collecting of millions through small contributions made with prepaid plastic from afar during his first run.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #139 on: December 18, 2018, 07:22:08 pm »
If people weren't so stubborn and full of salt they'd see that there are worthy ideas from both sides if you're willing to look and listen.


No, there is most adamantly not good ideas on both sides.

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« Reply #140 on: December 18, 2018, 07:25:05 pm »
No, there is most adamantly not good ideas on both sides.

In @Dexter's defense, there are some "good sounding ideas" on the left.  They fall apart upon deeper examination.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #141 on: December 18, 2018, 07:25:37 pm »
Then we fight that battle when it happens. The government will not pick the winners. Publicly funded elections will push us towards the opposite of elites deciding who rules society.

Horseshit it will.

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« Reply #142 on: December 18, 2018, 07:30:52 pm »
We can do it better than Europe.

No we cannot.

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In the end there would have to be an element of government oversight

And there is the camel's nose under the tent. Government would necessarily be the arbiter of who gets the money to run for the government. TADA! Europe  *****rollingeyes*****


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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #143 on: December 18, 2018, 07:41:07 pm »
In @Dexter's defense, there are some "good sounding ideas" on the left.  They fall apart upon deeper examination.

That may be true...  :shrug:
for me, the minute someone says 'the government can help', I can immediately reject the notion. I have lived long enough to understand all the permutations of that phrase, and it is always false... Hence anything the left might say is indeed false, and a bad idea to boot.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #144 on: December 18, 2018, 08:30:52 pm »
You are never going to if you are arguing with people who measure their time involved with politics in decades.  You'll have better luck trying to convince is we need to adopt the Scandinavian "Third Way" model of governance.

1. The US and Scandinavia BOTH have "Mixed Economies."


Both have vibrant free market capitalism, and big safety nets as well.

2. The recent success of "democrat-socialists," indicates to me, that "contemporary conservatism," has  work  to do.

3. While in the 70s-90s, public figures arose to aid greatly (Milton Friedman, New Ginrich etc.) there do not seem to be equals today.

4. IMO "conservatism," should use "new media" and make the "free speech" issue, one of their own. It is the way to reach younger people, who are voting.

5. Personalities are ganing wide recognition here. They are NOT lockkstep conservatives. But they are showing the pathway. Jordan Peterson is but one example. (Dennis Prager, Victor Davis Hanson are examples of two old white guys, effectively using new media.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #145 on: December 18, 2018, 09:51:32 pm »
1. The US and Scandinavia BOTH have "Mixed Economies."


Both have vibrant free market capitalism, and big safety nets as well.

2. The recent success of "democrat-socialists," indicates to me, that "contemporary conservatism," has  work  to do.

3. While in the 70s-90s, public figures arose to aid greatly (Milton Friedman, New Ginrich etc.) there do not seem to be equals today.

4. IMO "conservatism," should use "new media" and make the "free speech" issue, one of their own. It is the way to reach younger people, who are voting.

5. Personalities are ganing wide recognition here. They are NOT lockkstep conservatives. But they are showing the pathway. Jordan Peterson is but one example. (Dennis Prager, Victor Davis Hanson are examples of two old white guys, effectively using new media.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #146 on: December 19, 2018, 01:35:42 am »
No, there is most adamantly not good ideas on both sides.

There are rarely good ideas on the Republican side anymore.  There sure as hell aren't good ideas on the Dem side.

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« Reply #147 on: December 19, 2018, 02:04:36 am »
Europe is big on publicly funded elections too. The purpose of publicly funded elections is to lower the barrier to entry. If you have amazing ideas you shouldn't be stopped from changing the world with those ideas just because you can't get rich people to fund your campaign.

If your ideas are really that amazing, you’ll attract support on that basis alone. Publicly funded campaigns are designed to entrench existing interests, the same way that rent control ends up favoring the rich.

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« Reply #148 on: December 19, 2018, 02:06:11 am »
Switching to publicly funded elections would get union and university money out of politics too. The establishment left feeds on big money too as I'm sure you're all aware. This should be a bipartisan issue.

No, it wouldn’t.  It would simply move the point of application underground, and would make things less transparent, not more transparent. 

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #149 on: December 19, 2018, 02:51:13 am »
There are rarely good ideas on the Republican side anymore.  There sure as hell aren't good ideas on the Dem side.

That's right.
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