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[Dexter]

LOL.  You mean what you describe as "Actual" American conservatives...

The devil's in the definitions.

How do you reconcile Ted Cruz being funded by big money? They wouldn't make those investments if they weren't worth every penny. His loyalties have been compromised just like so many others. I don't consider any of those people Americans.

[Hoodat]

How do you reconcile Ted Cruz being funded by big money?

Money being used to fund something?  Oh, the horror!

[Dexter]

If you had had any credibility.....

it would have just gone bye-bye.

Big "if".

The smooth talking lawyer that gets paid by the internationalists is the one that lacks credibility. Ted Cruz is a bullshit artist and an amoral corporate pawn. People like him are the most offensive and disgusting of all.

[Dexter]

Money being used to fund something?  Oh, the horror!

Do you see and understand my concern even if you don't agree with it?

[XenaLee]

The smooth talking lawyer that gets paid by the internationalists is the one that lacks credibility. Ted Cruz is a bullshit artist and an amoral corporate pawn. People like him are the most offensive and disgusting of all.

Wrong, as usual.  But hey.....

at least you're consistent!   

[Cyber Liberty]

How do you reconcile Ted Cruz being funded by big money? They wouldn't make those investments if they weren't worth every penny. His loyalties have been compromised just like so many others. I don't consider any of those people Americans.

That is a silly argument in these days when a Senator can't get elected in a large State without spending millions on media buys.

So who do you like?  Kasich?  N/M, I don't really care.

[Dexter]

a Senator can't get elected in a large State without spending millions on media buys.

That's the problem dude. You can't play unless you sell your soul to big money. That's why politics is so corrupt.

[Hoodat]

Do you see and understand my concern even if you don't agree with it?

It was your qualifier for Conservatism I had a problem understanding.  Maybe if you put down the bong for the remainder of the day and try again tomorrow, you would have a better chance at being coherent. 

[Dexter]

It was your qualifier for Conservatism I had a problem understanding.

People here constantly bitch about the fact that there are no true conservatives in Washington. What we're talking about right now is why that is. Big money and average people do not and never will have the same political needs. The fact that these politicians are taking checks from big international interests should be very alarming. How can he serve Americans when he works for the very people that want to push globalism?

[Cyber Liberty]

That's the problem dude. You can't play unless you sell your soul to big money. That's why politics is so corrupt.

 

No, it isn't.  The "big money" is a canard.  It's not the money, it's the breaking of promises and outright lying to the voters to get the office.  Does money corrupt?  Sure, but that's not the root cause for the voter dissatisfaction with Politics.  To pin the entire blame on "big money" is a shallow Leftist argument. 

[Dexter]

No, it isn't.  The "big money" is a canard.  It's not the money, it's the breaking of promises and outright lying to the voters to get the office.  Does money corrupt?  Sure, but that's not the root cause for the voter dissatisfaction with Politics.  To pin the entire blame on "big money" is a shallow Leftist argument.

Corrupting outside forces are why so few politicians actually represent the people that voted for them once they get to Washington. Even if I'm wrong and Cruz is the exception it's still an incredibly large problem. Why do you think they break those promises? Why do you think they lie? It's because they don't work for you.

[Cyber Liberty]

Corrupting outside forces are why so few politicians actually represent the people that voted for them once they get to Washington. Even if I'm wrong and Cruz is the exception it's still an incredibly large problem. Why do you think they break those promises? Why do you think they lie? It's because they don't work for you.

I see your point, I think it's over-simplified.  What do you suggest?  Public financing of campaigns with no private contributions?  That's the go-to solution of Leftists.

I have things I don't like about that even more than I don't like "big money."  Not the least of which is the SCOTUS principle that free contribution equals free speech.

[truth_seeker]

Do you see and understand my concern even if you don't agree with it?

Where did Beto's money come from?

Do you have the intellectual curiosityand honesty, to address that question?

He had FAR more money than Cruz.

[Dexter]

That's the go-to solution of Leftists.

If people weren't so stubborn and full of salt they'd see that there are worthy ideas from both sides if you're willing to look and listen.

I have things I don't like about that even more than I don't like "big money."  Not the least of which is the SCOTUS principle that free contribution equals free speech.

We must limit the amount of influence international interests have somehow. I don't see a better way. I really think politics would be a lot more healthy if it wasn't controlled by billionaires.

[Dexter]

Where did Beto's money come from?

Do you have the intellectual curiosityand honesty, to address that question?

He had FAR more money than Cruz.

The left is just as bad or worse most of the time. Hillary got an obscene amount of money from the internationalists. They are buying politicians from both sides. Americans desperately need to unite and face their true enemy.

[Oceander]

But government money buying candidates is just fine with @Dexter , the same way the Chinese, Cubans and the North Koreans pick their candidates. 

[Cyber Liberty]

If people weren't so stubborn and full of salt they'd see that there are worthy ideas from both sides if you're willing to look and listen.

We must limit the amount of influence international interests have somehow. I don't see a better way. I really think politics would be a lot more healthy if it wasn't controlled by billionaires.

Now you are in the realm of "We must do something!  Anything!"   

I'm not buying, I have seen too many unintended consequences.  I detest this particular "something" because it forces me to pay for views I do not support.  Thomas Jefferson was no fool about this subject.  You aren't claiming to be smarter than Jefferson, are you?

[Dexter]

But government money buying candidates is just fine with @Dexter , the same way the Chinese, Cubans and the North Koreans pick their candidates.

Europe is big on publicly funded elections too. The purpose of publicly funded elections is to lower the barrier to entry. If you have amazing ideas you shouldn't be stopped from changing the world with those ideas just because you can't get rich people to fund your campaign.

[Cyber Liberty]

But government money buying candidates is just fine with @Dexter , the same way the Chinese, Cubans and the North Koreans pick their candidates.

I agree with that.  It's the feeding the crocodile thing.  The leftists would be thrilled with government selecting the winners, because they don't realize that tool will eventually be used against them.

[Dexter]

Now you are in the realm of "We must do something!  Anything!"   

You're watching Americans lose everything; we all are.

I'm not buying, I have seen too many unintended consequences.

It would definitely come with its own set of challenges. I think the outcome would be a lot better. I believe in us and our ability to live in a world with governments that are not completely corrupt.

I detest this particular "something" because it forces me to pay for views I do not support.  Thomas Jefferson was no fool about this subject.  You aren't claiming to be smarter than Jefferson, are you?

It hits your finances a lot harder when the people making the decisions don't care about your needs.

[Dexter]

The leftists would be thrilled with government selecting the winners, because they don't realize that tool will eventually be used against them.

Then we fight that battle when it happens. The government will not pick the winners. Publicly funded elections will push us towards the opposite of elites deciding who rules society.

[Cyber Liberty]

Europe is big on publicly funded elections too. The purpose of publicly funded elections is to lower the barrier to entry. If you have amazing ideas you shouldn't be stopped from changing the world with those ideas just because you can't get rich people to fund your campaign.

Oddly, your argument that "we should be like Europe" doesn't move me any more than it did the numerous times in the past you've used it.

Let me help you here with a real-life US example of "lowering the barriers."  We have had a "clean elections" law here in AZ for the past 10-15 years.  It hasn't changed a single thing about the elections, other than creating another welfare program for politicians.  They are still unresponsive to the voters, and once incumbency is gained they don't care about the money from the State because they get private contributions, which cannot be curtailed without a new Amendment to the US Constitution.  Good luck with that.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then we fight that battle when it happens. The government will not pick the winners. Publicly funded elections will push us towards the opposite of elites deciding who rules society.

Ok, then tell me who will be the arbiter of the public funding, other than the government?  Answer:  Nobody because the government will immediately arrogate that power to themselves before the ink is dry on the enabling Legislation.

Just like in Europe, BTW.

[Dexter]

once incumbency is gained they don't care about the money from the State because they get private contributions, which cannot be curtailed without a new Amendment to the US Constitution.  Good luck with that.

We can defeat these people! Don't tell yourself we can't. That's exactly what they want.

[Cyber Liberty]

You're watching Americans lose everything; we all are.

It would definitely come with its own set of challenges. I think the outcome would be a lot better. I believe in us and our ability to live in a world with governments that are not completely corrupt.

It hits your finances a lot harder when the people making the decisions don't care about your needs.

I stand by my observation:  Something/Anything always leads to unintended consequences worse than the problem it meant to cure.  As for my needs, government cannot impact them in any positive way, I just want them out of the way.