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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2018, 12:12:24 am »

Nope.


Trump backs off executive order threat, says Congress is better path to end birthright citizenship


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/31/trump-congress-path-end-birthright-citizenship/

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2018, 01:39:31 pm »
Well, there's today's dose of whiplash.  pointing-up pointing-down

That's just how Trump controls the narrative and motivates his base to get out and vote... he raises a problem, proposes a solution that can't work, then shifts the responsibility to those who can make it work.  Now the onus is on voters to elect Republicans whom Trump will then pressure to pass legislation...

And... people are talking about what Trump wants to talk about... and what is good for America...

If Trump doesn't control the agenda... guess who does...
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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2018, 01:57:09 pm »
That's just how Trump controls the narrative and motivates his base to get out and vote... he raises a problem, proposes a solution that can't work, then shifts the responsibility to those who can make it work.  Now the onus is on voters to elect Republicans whom Trump will then pressure to pass legislation...

And... people are talking about what Trump wants to talk about... and what is good for America...

If Trump doesn't control the agenda... guess who does...

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 @GourmetDan you’re quite right.

Some people never let go of their stubborn pride. They pronounced Trump unsuitable in the beginning, and damn it, they were right! So to admit Trump is moving the conservative agenda forward would be to admit they were wrong about him at every juncture.

Knowing people as I do, they will never do that. I actually enjoy watching them stew in their own juices as one by one Trump knocks down obstacles and wins issues for conservatives. Don’t think I’m right about the critics? Just watch the responses to this post.

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2018, 02:01:06 pm »
Well, there's today's dose of whiplash.  pointing-up pointing-down

"Backs off" is one way to put it. What he did was simply concede that a congressional fix is the better option.

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2018, 02:26:47 pm »
That's just how Trump controls the narrative and motivates his base to get out and vote... he raises a problem, proposes a solution that can't work, then shifts the responsibility to those who can make it work.  Now the onus is on voters to elect Republicans whom Trump will then pressure to pass legislation...

And... people are talking about what Trump wants to talk about... and what is good for America...

If Trump doesn't control the agenda... guess who does...?


This only makes sense if you engage in circular reasoning, equivocation, and self delusion. Proposing a tax cut that had no chance of ever being realized in the promised timeframe is not a strategy - it is a lie.  At the Camp David meeting, this past January, the president said he would back incumbents, not insurgent candidates.  So, we’re now supposed to believe the people that had control for the last two years, did nothing about Obamacare or immigration reform, will now miraculously have an epiphany?  What a joke.  This latest round of false promises is Contract With America, Volume 2, the horrifying sequel.
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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2018, 02:48:58 pm »
This only makes sense if you engage in circular reasoning, equivocation, and self delusion. Proposing a tax cut that had no chance of ever being realized in the promised timeframe is not a strategy - it is a lie.  At the Camp David meeting, this past January, the president said he would back incumbents, not insurgent candidates.  So, we’re now supposed to believe the people that had control for the last two years, did nothing about Obamacare or immigration reform, will now miraculously have an epiphany?  What a joke.  This latest round of false promises is Contract With America, Volume 2, the horrifying sequel.

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2018, 03:08:27 pm »
That's just how Trump controls the narrative and motivates his base to get out and vote... he raises a problem, proposes a solution that can't work, then shifts the responsibility to those who can make it work.  Now the onus is on voters to elect Republicans whom Trump will then pressure to pass legislation...
And... people are talking about what Trump wants to talk about... and what is good for America...  If Trump doesn't control the agenda... guess who does...
@GourmetDan

Excellent post - that is what is happening.

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2018, 05:51:47 pm »
That's just how Trump controls the narrative and motivates his base to get out and vote... he raises a problem, proposes a solution that can't work, then shifts the responsibility to those who can make it work.  Now the onus is on voters to elect Republicans whom Trump will then pressure to pass legislation...

And... people are talking about what Trump wants to talk about... and what is good for America...

If Trump doesn't control the agenda... guess who does...

Excellent analysis.

Another way to look at is is that if Trump would have started off by saying "Congress should look at birthright citizenship", the statement likely would have gotten swept under the rug and ignored.  But using his typical hyperbole baited the press to bringing the issue to the fore, so how he's shifting the argument.  But he's made it a part of the discussion where it wasn't before.

Like it or not, it can be an effective approach when the media is predisposed to only report what they think advances the agenda they prefer.

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Re: Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2018, 06:44:57 pm »
Excellent analysis.

Another way to look at is is that if Trump would have started off by saying "Congress should look at birthright citizenship", the statement likely would have gotten swept under the rug and ignored.  But using his typical hyperbole baited the press to bringing the issue to the fore, so how he's shifting the argument.  But he's made it a part of the discussion where it wasn't before.

Like it or not, it can be an effective approach when the media is predisposed to only report what they think advances the agenda they prefer.

It's made a lot of us revisit the issue and think about it.   I for one pulled the authorities, studied them and concluded that,  yeah, birthright citizenship can indeed be limited without the impossible task of amending the Constitution.    Sure, Trump has backtracked, but he's put the issue on the front page of every paper, and tossed it back to Congress to DO ITS MOTHERFLIPPIN' JOB.

And we all know,  six days before the election, that the only way Congress would consider doing its job is if Republicans are elected.     

Your take,  @Maj. Bill Martin , is spot on.   
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