Trump is'Right on Substance' But Executive Order Won't...

[Emjay]

   Former U.S. attorney Andy McCarthy said Tuesday that President Trump is "right on the substance" when it comes to the 14th Amendment and potentially curbing birthright citizenship.
   In an interview with Axios, Trump said he intends to restrict birthright citizenship despite those who argue the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to all babies born in the United States.

   "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don’t," he said.
   
   "We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end."
   
read more at:   
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/10/30/mccarthy-birthright-citizenship-trump-right-14th-amendment-cannot-use-executive-order

[Emjay]

It's a good thing President Trump is always up for a fight.  NPR already told me when I woke up that Trump is lying about the U.S. being the only country to do this, or possibly they said mistaken.

They lie politely and in a subdued tone.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's a good thing President Trump is always up for a fight.  NPR already told me when I woke up that Trump is lying about the U.S. being the only country to do this, or possibly they said mistaken.

They lie politely and in a subdued tone.

@Emjay

NPR is nothing if not polite and subdued.  In a previous life I worked for a NPR affiliate, and they actually teach that method of newsreading.

[Emjay]

@Emjay

NPR is nothing if not polite and subdued.  In a previous life I worked for a NPR affiliate, and they actually teach that method of newsreading.

I've always suspected that they go to some training center that removes all passion and emotion from their voices.  It's the only station I can get on my little bedside radio so I always hear what they have to say when I first wake up.

Thanks for the info.

[Cyber Liberty]

I've always suspected that they go to some training center that removes all passion and emotion from their voices.  It's the only station I can get on my little bedside radio so I always hear what they have to say when I first wake up.

Thanks for the info.

@Emjay 

[edpc]

NPR already told me when I woke up that Trump is lying about the U.S. being the only country to do this, or possibly they said mistaken.

They’re correct.  All of the nations in dark blue allow it.  This is another uninformed utterance, if not outright lie, Trump has made in the past couple days.  He recently said the NYSE opened the day after 9/11.  It didn’t. 





https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

[Emjay]

They’re correct.  All of the nations in dark blue allow it.  This is another uninformed utterance, if not outright lie, Trump has made in the past couple days.  He recently said the NYSE opened the day after 9/11.  It didn’t. 


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Not sure of the exact policies the nations in blue have about this matter, but I doubt if they are as welcoming as the U.S. 

[edpc]

Not sure of the exact policies the nations in blue have about this matter, but I doubt if they are as welcoming as the U.S.

It’s really easy to click that link or do any basic research on what nations offer unrestricted birthright citizenship as part of their constitution and find out the USA isn’t the sole nation.  When the president just spews things and supporters buy it, that just plays into the narrative he and they are uninformed and don’t care.  When you’re in a tight election for control of Congress, you never know what might sway undecideds or stoke opposition.  The statements I cited are really dumb, ill-timed, unforced errors.

[Emjay]

It’s really easy to click that link or do any basic research on what nations offer unrestricted birthright citizenship as part of their constitution and find out the USA isn’t the sole nation.  When the president just spews things and supporters buy it, that just plays into the narrative he and they are uninformed and don’t care.  When you’re in a tight election for control of Congress, you never know what might sway undecideds or stoke opposition.  The statements I cited are really dumb, ill-timed, unforced errors.

Well, Ed, anybody can click on Wikipedia and anybody can find things supporting what they already believe.  So, can we assume that unrestricted birthright citizenship is okay with you?

[aligncare]

   Former U.S. attorney Andy McCarthy said Tuesday that President Trump is "right on the substance" when it comes to the 14th Amendment and potentially curbing birthright citizenship.
   In an interview with Axios, Trump said he intends to restrict birthright citizenship despite those who argue the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to all babies born in the United States.

   "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don’t," he said.
   
   "We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end."
   
read more at:   
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/10/30/mccarthy-birthright-citizenship-trump-right-14th-amendment-cannot-use-executive-order

I guess I’m not the only one who thinks jetting into the United States to drop a kid is not covered under 14th.

[edpc]

Well, Ed, anybody can click on Wikipedia and anybody can find things supporting what they already believe.  So, can we assume that unrestricted birthright citizenship is okay with you?

Then I’d suggest the president do some basic research during his next installment of executive time.

It’s not a question of whether I think it’s OK, it’s a question of whether it’s true, or not.  He’s wrong.  You’re never going to get 100% of the population to agree with constitutional content or rulings, but birthright was settled here by SCOTUS in the 1898 US v Ark case.  It can be brought before SCOTUS again, but if it’s overturned, you find yourself in another DACA type situation with people who made it in on technicality.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well, Ed, anybody can click on Wikipedia and anybody can find things supporting what they already believe.  So, can we assume that unrestricted birthright citizenship is okay with you?

Just because he stated the truth he thinks its OK?  You really should roll out a rug in front of the White House.  I agree Trump should not state things that are untrue.  Especially days before mid terms.  As much as we all would like it to be true.

Yes it is open to interpretation but I think he has some incompetent advisors or something.  Whoever told him he could do it with EO.  I like it, but I don't believe it will work.

Maybe the 4th Trumps the 14th.  It is an invasion.  One caravan after another.  One more violent than the last.

[WarmPotato]

Wouldn't it be nice if Trump would succeed...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

"We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end."

I actually listened to what Trump said on this, and I don't think it's fair to say that he's claiming we are the only country with birthright citizenship.  The ellipses are misleading -- he said it all as one continuous statement.  In other words, his comment about us being the "only country" included the context of the benefits we provide, and the other countries that do offer birthright citizenship don't package it along with those same level of benefits. 

That's still a false statement because of Canada, but otherwise, the vast majority of other countries that do offer birthright citizenship are comparative shitholes where birthright citizenship doesn't include a ticket to a bunch of free social welfare benefits.

[Emjay]

I actually listened to what Trump said on this, and I don't think it's fair to say that he's claiming we are the only country with birthright citizenship.  The ellipses are misleading -- he said it all as one continuous statement.  In other words, his comment about us being the "only country" included the context of the benefits we provide, and the other countries that do offer birthright citizenship don't package it along with those same level of benefits. 

That's still a false statement because of Canada, but otherwise, the vast majority of other countries that do offer birthright citizenship are comparative shitholes where birthright citizenship doesn't include a ticket to a bunch of free social welfare benefits.

Thanks for checking that out, @Maj. Bill Martin   I didn't think Trump would have lied about it ... maybe exaggerated for effect.

[GourmetDan]

Not sure of the exact policies the nations in blue have about this matter, but I doubt if they are as welcoming as the U.S.

The correct way to look at it is to consider how many of those countries would anyone actually want to exercise 'birthright citizenship' in...   lol...

With a P.S. salute to the Major... I should have read all the comments first...  lol...

[skeeter]

I actually listened to what Trump said on this, and I don't think it's fair to say that he's claiming we are the only country with birthright citizenship.  The ellipses are misleading -- he said it all as one continuous statement.  In other words, his comment about us being the "only country" included the context of the benefits we provide, and the other countries that do offer birthright citizenship don't package it along with those same level of benefits. 

That's still a false statement because of Canada, but otherwise, the vast majority of other countries that do offer birthright citizenship are comparative shitholes where birthright citizenship doesn't include a ticket to a bunch of free social welfare benefits.

Its obvious hyperbole. Trump talks like average yokels talk. Unfortunately given the hyper-charged atmosphere he'd have to curtail that tendency to avoid being accused of "lying".

On the other hand its clear he doesn't give a crap about all the yapping & ankle biting as long as he has his way.

[Cyber Liberty]

CNN says he's already lied about 10.000 times, so what's one more anyway?

[GourmetDan]

CNN says he's already lied about 10.000 times, so what's one more anyway?

Some people don't get Trump... or his supporters...

The longer that continues... the better...

[libertybele]

I guess I’m not the only one who thinks jetting into the United States to drop a kid is not covered under 14th.

Of course it should not be allowed.  Quite frankly, I don't give a darn what other countries do or do not allow.  This country MUST come first and chain migration and birthright citizenship is terrible for this country.  It is hurting us economically and if allowed to continue will greatly threaten or sovereignty.

[libertybele]

It seems  that there are arguments from varying different 'scholars'.  This issue will likely go before SCOTUS ... finally.

[Cyber Liberty]

It seems  that there are arguments from varying different 'scholars'.  This issue will likely go before SCOTUS ... finally.

Only if the President decides to push his luck and actually issue the EO.

[skeeter]

Only if the President decides to push his luck and actually issue the EO.

But which course of action offers the best chance for success if the Constitution and subsequent SCOTUS rulings have clearly defined who gets citizenship upon birth and its the bureaucrats who have been making up and implementing a policy that doesn't conform to the Constitution?

[Right_in_Virginia]

I guess I’m not the only one who thinks jetting into the United States to drop a kid is not covered under 14th.

No, you are not @aligncare

[edpc]

Only if the President decides to push his luck and actually issue the EO.

Nope.


Trump backs off executive order threat, says Congress is better path to end birthright citizenship


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/31/trump-congress-path-end-birthright-citizenship/