Border walls only work if illegal immigration is…illegal

[libertybele]

No need to fight over amnesty and no need to fund a wall, when all illegals have to do is come here and apply for asylum.  Just like with the 14,000 in the caravan(s) almost upon us.  The news is now silent on this issue; I wonder how many of the 14,000 will be granted amnesty and placed in this country?  How many once settled will invite their families over?  As the article states, Trump appears to understand this (let's hope he fully does).

Border walls only work if illegal immigration is…illegal

A border wall can stop a physical invasion, but it can’t stop an invasion of 1,000 lawsuits. Unless we stop the bogus asylum policies and end all cross-border migration in a legal sense, no amount of border security or infrastructure will help. Thankfully, the president appears to understand this.

    Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Souther Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 21, 2018

The key now is to make sure he pressures his Department of Homeland Security leadership to get on the same page and uses his leverage against leaders in Congress like Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., to achieve this.

Yesterday, I spoke with Cochise County Sheriff Mark Dannels, the head of the Arizona Sheriff’s Association, and he was incredulous about the infighting in Washington that is hurting quality of life in the border counties. “We just don’t have the resources our federal partners do to patrol the border; we need them to act now.” He lamented how the waste of resources on processing the invasion rather than deterring it “are creating a huge opportunity for the cartels to smuggle in their more dangerous clients.”

Is it that we are lacking resources and infrastructure on the federal level? Not at all. It’s that we are complaining about the invasion out of one side of our mouth but inviting it in with the other. Dannels pointed out that he’s never seen such a surge in family units coming over the border once we telegraphed the message that “if you come with a kid, you are home free.” Once they are here, there are thousands of pro bono lawyers who can petition lawless lower courts to violate our sovereignty and make it impossible to deport them. Thus, rather than trying to avoid detection by our border agents, the illegal invaders actually seek them out...............

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/border-walls-only-work-if-illegal-immigration-isillegal/

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

This refugee and asylum crap for these border crashers isn't legal anyway.

If we ever get real judges on our Courts That issue wouldn't even come up.

[libertybele]

This refugee and asylum crap for these border crashers isn't legal anyway.

If we ever get real judges on our Courts That issue wouldn't even come up.

??? I'm not quite sure I'm understanding how it's illegal?  The US is a UNHCR host nation and Trump has agreed to allow these people to apply for asylum in Mexico and then the UN will then place them in host countries, including the U.S.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

??? I'm not quite sure I'm understanding how it's illegal?  The US is a UNHCR host nation and Trump has agreed to allow these people to apply for asylum in Mexico and then the UN will then place them in host countries, including the U.S.

UN treaties can't supersede US internal law.

They don't qualify as refugees to begin with.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/overview-us-refugee-law-and-policy

The Definition of a “Refugee”

Under U.S. law, a “refugee” is a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country because of a “well-founded fear of persecution” due to race, membership in a particular social group, political opinion, religion, or national origin. This definition is based on the United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocols relating to the Status of Refugees, which the United States became a party to in 1968. Following the Vietnam War and the U.S. experience resettling Indochinese refugees, Congress passed the Refugee Act of 1980, which incorporated the Convention’s definition into U.S. law and provides the legal basis for today’s U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP).

[XenaLee]

No need to fight over amnesty and no need to fund a wall, when all illegals have to do is come here and apply for asylum.  Just like with the 14,000 in the caravan(s) almost upon us.  The news is now silent on this issue; I wonder how many of the 14,000 will be granted amnesty and placed in this country?  How many once settled will invite their families over?  As the article states, Trump appears to understand this (let's hope he fully does).

Border walls only work if illegal immigration is…illegal

A border wall can stop a physical invasion, but it can’t stop an invasion of 1,000 lawsuits. Unless we stop the bogus asylum policies and end all cross-border migration in a legal sense, no amount of border security or infrastructure will help. Thankfully, the president appears to understand this.

    Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Souther Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 21, 2018

The key now is to make sure he pressures his Department of Homeland Security leadership to get on the same page and uses his leverage against leaders in Congress like Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., to achieve this.

Yesterday, I spoke with Cochise County Sheriff Mark Dannels, the head of the Arizona Sheriff’s Association, and he was incredulous about the infighting in Washington that is hurting quality of life in the border counties. “We just don’t have the resources our federal partners do to patrol the border; we need them to act now.” He lamented how the waste of resources on processing the invasion rather than deterring it “are creating a huge opportunity for the cartels to smuggle in their more dangerous clients.”

Is it that we are lacking resources and infrastructure on the federal level? Not at all. It’s that we are complaining about the invasion out of one side of our mouth but inviting it in with the other.[/b] Dannels pointed out that he’s never seen such a surge in family units coming over the border once we telegraphed the message that “if you come with a kid, you are home free.” Once they are here, there are thousands of pro bono lawyers who can petition lawless lower courts to violate our sovereignty and make it impossible to deport them. Thus, rather than trying to avoid detection by our border agents, the illegal invaders actually seek them out...............

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/border-walls-only-work-if-illegal-immigration-isillegal/

Then again....

appearances can be (and often are) deceiving.   

[TomSea]

Per Rush, we have the laws, we just don't enforce them.

Also, I heard, even if the wall were built, they will come up on the sea and by other means.

[libertybele]

Per Rush, we have the laws, we just don't enforce them.

Also, I heard, even if the wall were built, they will come up on the sea and by other means.

That's been known for quite sometime.  The laws on the books have been ignored for decades.

Of course they can come in by other means then across our land borders, but a physical wall would be a huge deterrent, except when we have mobs reaching the borders and granted asylum. That wouldn't be the downfall of having a wall, but rather the incompetency of our government failing to pass adequate laws and enforcing them to protect the sovereignty of this country.

[XenaLee]

Per Rush, we have the laws, we just don't enforce them.

Also, I heard, even if the wall were built, they will come up on the sea and by other means.

So.... what?   All of Trump's rhetoric about enforcing the border, keeping illegals out, etc. was all just BS and lip service?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Fight like hell to keep the House and increase our majority in the Senate.  This is our last best hope.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Fight like hell to keep the House and increase our majority in the Senate.  This is our last best hope.

 

They ain't perfect, but You go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you'll have someday.

[XenaLee]

All I know is....

if that massive caravan of illegals gets across our borders and into our country...

despite assurances and promises to the contrary....

there's going to be an awful lot of pissed off people/voters in the aftermath.

And I'm one of them.

[libertybele]

So.... what?   All of Trump's rhetoric about enforcing the border, keeping illegals out, etc. was all just BS and lip service?

Unfortunately, it's beginning to look that way.  I'm not sure when all of the migrants are supposed to arrive, but the media doesn't seem to be focusing on this anymore, so perhaps we'll never know.

[libertybele]

All I know is....

if that massive caravan of illegals gets across our borders and into our country...

despite assurances and promises to the contrary....

there's going to be an awful lot of pissed off people/voters in the aftermath.

And I'm one of them.

If the media isn't reporting on this issue anymore, how are we going to know?

[XenaLee]

If the media isn't reporting on this issue anymore, how are we going to know?

There are Texans at the border that will report on it, even if the leftist media won't.

[libertybele]

There are Texans at the border that will report on it, even if the leftist media won't.

Then, please keep us informed.

[TomSea]

So.... what?   All of Trump's rhetoric about enforcing the border, keeping illegals out, etc. was all just BS and lip service?

One man can't do it alone. The whole Republican party can't even get it together.

Bits and pieces have gotten done, I think I've seen wall articles, something is better than nothing and it is front and center. If there is a breakdown, it's not with Trump.  Other Senators have said how a wall needs to be built.  Is it there fault too?

[TomSea]

There's Arizonans on the border, even if the media doesn't report it. In fact, there are people from around the nation on the border.

[XenaLee]

One man can't do it alone. The whole Republican party can't even get it together.

Bits and pieces have gotten done, I think I've seen wall articles, something is better than nothing and it is front and center. If there is a breakdown, it's not with Trump.  Other Senators have said how a wall needs to be built.  Is it there fault too?

I don't know whose fault it is, if not all of them.  All I know is.... I'm awfully tired of being made promises about a little thing like our national security, sovereignty and secured borders.... and then having those promises either broken continually or completely ignored.   The olde saying comes to mind.... "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.".   Well.... from all practical appearances....

they've been pissing down all of our backs and telling us it's raining.

I want to see some promises kept.  I want our damned borders enforced for a refreshing change.  I want Trump to follow through and stop the damned illegals from coming in, caravan or no caravan. 

That's all.

[Fishrrman]

To-Whose commented:
"They ain't perfect, but You go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you'll have someday."

I wish the administration would order a sizable number of "the army we have" to the southern border, pronto!

(and I DON'T mean "800" -- how about 8,000 for a start?)

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

To-Whose commented:
"They ain't perfect, but You go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you'll have someday."

I wish the administration would order a sizable number of "the army we have" to the southern border, pronto!

(and I DON'T mean "800" -- how about 8,000 for a start?)

Yes, and none of this No Guns, only plastic wrist ties garbage.

We all know the media will turn it into a "Oh, the Hoomanity" fest if a couple of these invaders get shot but it's the only mssg that's gonna get through to the rest.

[TomSea]

I don't know whose fault it is, if not all of them.  All I know is.... I'm awfully tired of being made promises about a little thing like our national security, sovereignty and secured borders.... and then having those promises either broken continually or completely ignored.   The olde saying comes to mind.... "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.".   Well.... from all practical appearances....

they've been pissing down all of our backs and telling us it's raining.

I want to see some promises kept.  I want our damned borders enforced for a refreshing change.  I want Trump to follow through and stop the damned illegals from coming in, caravan or no caravan. 

That's all.

Lowest unemployment since 1969, pro-life victories, strong economy, no major foreign policy mishaps or wars.  It's not perfect, but it's a lot of good in less than 2 years.  That's the big picture. Yes, the US has moved on border enforcement, it's on the table and like everything else, one fights the Democrats tooth and nail over it.

[ArneFufkin]

I don't know whose fault it is, if not all of them.  All I know is.... I'm awfully tired of being made promises about a little thing like our national security, sovereignty and secured borders.... and then having those promises either broken continually or completely ignored.   The olde saying comes to mind.... "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.".   Well.... from all practical appearances....

they've been pissing down all of our backs and telling us it's raining.

I want to see some promises kept.  I want our damned borders enforced for a refreshing change.  I want Trump to follow through and stop the damned illegals from coming in, caravan or no caravan. 

That's all.

Congress needs to close the loophole created by the Refugee Act of 1980.  That was a Carter Administration initiative when the Senate and House were controlled by Democrats.

Essentially, immigrants from Central American countries were afforded expedited asylum preference.   Carter and the RATS - and some very liberal religious organizations - were looking to help Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, Salvadorans who were fleeing Civil War.   Central America was a proxy battlefield with Leftists, supported by the Cubans and Russians, attempting to take control.  The Reagan Administration tried to limit the influx in the 80s and was largely successful but the doors were opened again with the Clinton Administration and Dem Congressional majorities the first three or so years of his Office.

Congress needs to get the loophole closed.  Revoke the Act. It's that simple.   The region is no longer a proxy between Soviets and American influence and the original premise of refugees escaping violent, Cold War regimes is no longer valid.   These are corrupt regimes, sure, but economic hardship was never the original intent.   It was supposed to be a refuge from political violence.

They no longer have a reason to be anywhere but in their native lands trying to fix their corrupt government and economic systems.

[ArneFufkin]

Yes, and none of this No Guns, only plastic wrist ties garbage.

We all know the media will turn it into a "Oh, the Hoomanity" fest if a couple of these invaders get shot but it's the only mssg that's gonna get through to the rest.

The military is not there to shoot invaders.  They are going to be there to help DHS process these interlopers and send their butts back where they came.   90% of these refugee requests are bogus and will be rejected, we just need bodies down there to help process all the humanity and get these people through the system and back home.   You'll need transport planes, judges, doctors etc. and the military does that REALLY well.   They've had a lot of experience vetting and processing folks in places like Iraq and Afghanistan this past 15 years

[TomSea]

Illegal immigration is really a key Democrat issue nowadays to build their constituency...they'll fight tooth-and-nail because that is there hope, along with issues like say, same sex marriage, the life issue.

This is why Kanye West is so maligned because even taking a sizeable chunk of the AA vote from the Democrats would be a big set back for them.