We're Not Battling Craziness. We're Battling Evil.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

We represent something far more dangerous to them, which is why they openly declare us to be dangerous to the electorate.

We got mittens too.

[Sighlass]

And, if you vote #3 you do so knowing that "someone else" will also inevitably fall somewhere in the continuum of more or less evil. And, by choosing #3, unless there is a reasonable expectation that they could win, you are buttressing either #1 or #2.  It just works that way.

I am not the brightest bulb here at TBR, but even I can see a step or two beyond your analogy. I vote  (write in) because I want those that claim to be Republican to understand that they can not take every vote for granted. If you always vote for whomever the RINOs throw in front of you, then why cater to that populace? If you constantly lie and vote democratic (50% of the time) and get away with it because the voter populace does not hold your feet to the fire and keeps electing you, then why bother catering to the true conservatives?

Does my vote matter? Yes, to me it does, even if it does not elect someone. If enough people felt as some of us here at TBR did, yes, I think republicans would be more true to their word.

Word for the day "Enabler".

@INVAR @roamer_1 @Sanguine @musiclady

[Sanguine]

I am not the brightest bulb here at TBR, but even I can see a step or two beyond your analogy. I vote  (write in) because I want those that claim to be Republican to understand that they can not take every vote for granted. If you always vote for whomever the RINOs throw in front of you, then why cater to that populace? If you constantly lie and vote democratic (50% of the time) and get away with it because the voter populace does not hold your feet to the fire and keeps electing you, then why bother catering to the true conservatives?

Does my vote matter? Yes, to me it does, even if it does not elect someone. If enough people felt as some of us here at TBR did, yes, I think republicans would be more true to their word.

Word for the day "Enabler".

@INVAR @roamer_1 @Sanguine @musiclady

No, you took my argument farther than you should have.  First off, I never said never.  And, I never said always.  And, why would I vote for a RINO if there is an actual conservative in front of me?

And, as for the cold hard effects of voting, what I said is correct.  You may not like it (and, I don't), but there it is. 

[XenaLee]

I am not the brightest bulb here at TBR, but even I can see a step or two beyond your analogy. I vote  (write in) because I want those that claim to be Republican to understand that they can not take every vote for granted. If you always vote for whomever the RINOs throw in front of you, then why cater to that populace? If you constantly lie and vote democratic (50% of the time) and get away with it because the voter populace does not hold your feet to the fire and keeps electing you, then why bother catering to the true conservatives?

Does my vote matter? Yes, to me it does, even if it does not elect someone. If enough people felt as some of us here at TBR did, yes, I think republicans would be more true to their word.

Word for the day "Enabler".

@INVAR @roamer_1 @Sanguine @musiclady

I don't think you're getting the full (big) picture here.   Those that claim to be Republican, but are not, couldn't care LESS about your vote, one way or another.   They're counting on you, out of disgust for the entire GOP due to their RINOism, to either abstain from voting or to 3rd party protest vote.  Either way, their 'real' party.... the DemocRats....win.

[INVAR]

They're counting on you, out of disgust for the entire GOP due to their RINOism, to either abstain from voting or to 3rd party protest vote.  Either way, their 'real' party.... the DemocRats....win.

Makes not a dime's worth of difference to me, given the fruits of the GOP in the last many years.

It would have been the same if Democrats were in power.  In fact the GOP passed and funded more of Obama's agenda when they were in control than Congress did when Pelosi and Reid were running the show.

My assessment is that the Oligarchy wins no matter which of the two 'parties' are voted into power.  The Beast in DC still grows.

We are past the point of staving off via politics what we are currently about to go through anyway.

[XenaLee]

Makes not a dime's worth of difference to me, given the fruits of the GOP in the last many years.

It would have been the same if Democrats were in power.  In fact the GOP passed and funded more of Obama's agenda when they were in control than Congress did when Pelosi and Reid were running the show.

My assessment is that the Oligarchy wins no matter which of the two 'parties' are voted into power.  The Beast in DC still grows.

We are past the point of staving off via politics what we are currently about to go through anyway.

It may not make a dif to you, but it will make a difference in the grand scheme of things. 

[roamer_1]

It may not make a dif to you, but it will make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

No, I think he is right. Without full-throated support for Conservative principles, there is no fixing it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Without full-throated support for Conservative principles, there is no fixing it.

Everything for conservatives is always focused on talking .... always the talking.   

[XenaLee]

No, I think he is right. Without full-throated support for Conservative principles, there is no fixing it.

Well..... then we're doomed.   

[roamer_1]

Everything for conservatives is always focused on talking .... always the talking.   

Funny that, @Right_in_Virginia ... because the TEA Party, Conservative without a doubt, plowed the political field far more effectively than anything the Tump movement has been able to perform.

[roamer_1]

Well..... then we're doomed.   

Yes. But that has always been so - without repentance and revival (and I am not merely speaking religiously), doom is a given.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Funny that, @Right_in_Virginia ... because the TEA Party, Conservative without a doubt, plowed the political field far more effectively than anything the Tump movement has been able to perform.

Plowing is one thing.  Winning and doing, quite another.  Conservative still need to learn the latter.

[XenaLee]

Yes. But that has always been so - without repentance and revival (and I am not merely speaking religiously), doom is a given.

I plan to party like it's 1999! 

[roamer_1]

Plowing is one thing.  Winning and doing, quite another.  Conservative still need to learn the latter.

@Right_in_Virginia
Massive record breaking national wins in state houses and governorships across two elections, with the lion's share in the off-season, precisely as intended - much more won there than anything y'all have done... By far and away.

And actual winning - *for Conservatism*

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

It may not make a dif to you, but it will make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

Thinking about ordering a few of these for myself and some of the other realists around here. Wanna get on the list?

Since the Mods keep jumping in to remind us that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply, at this 'Conservative' site, and protecting the 'feelings' of the easily offended is a higher calling, discussions around here sometimes Feel like a brick wall.

The problem with the argument that we're going to hell with either party ignores the crucial Speed at which it happens.

It ignores the fact that it's 100 times harder to get Rid of a law/program/ruling, than it is to get stuck with it to begin with.

And sitting on the sidelines because it don't matter is a pantload of crap.

I take it as my responsibility to leave kids who haven't even been born yet the Lesser pile of bricks and crap to clean up in Their future.

Because we cannot afford a 2nd Civil War, period.

[truth_seeker]

Plowing is one thing.  Winning and doing, quite another.  Conservative still need to learn the latter.

latest Tea Party boy wonder Sassey, PhD, Yale AND Harvard, career government employee, professional educator.

Talk, books, talk,, books, etc.