Author Topic: New Poll Shows Almost No Daylight Between Ted Cruz And Beto Oâ€™Rourke; Abbott Up Big (Read 20545 times)

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #50 on:** August 28, 2018, 08:36:38 am »

Quote from: Jazzhead on August 28, 2018, 08:22:28 am

Texas isn't going blue. Look at the numbers in the governor's race for proof of that. This race is a referendum on Cruz - a guy who rubs lots of folks the wrong way.

Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.

We need these guys who swim against the current to break up the 'System'.

RetBobbyMI · « **Reply #51 on:** August 28, 2018, 08:41:38 am »

This is just another leftist media ploy to sway public opinion away from Cruz. Note that they are exaggerating the so called independent voting numbers.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #52 on:** August 28, 2018, 09:02:09 am »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on August 28, 2018, 08:36:38 am

Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.

We need these guys who swim against the current to break up the 'System'.

I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for Cruz if I were a Texan. I like his policy prescriptions. So should most Texans. But the reason his race is so close, and the Texas governor's race is shaping up to be a blowout, has to do with stuff other than policy or even conservatism. There's no reason for me to go into it here. Let's hope he wins - we need the seat.

thackney · « **Reply #53 on:** August 28, 2018, 09:16:39 am »

Quote from: sneakypete on August 27, 2018, 10:11:48 pm

How can a newbie just come in and take it away from him?

Beto may be new to those outside Texas, but he has been in Texas a long time and active in Politics for a while. He has served a 3 terms as El Paso US Representative.

Sanguine · « **Reply #54 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:13:14 am »

Quote from: RetBobbyMI on August 28, 2018, 08:41:38 am

This is just another leftist media ploy to sway public opinion away from Cruz. Note that they are exaggerating the so called independent voting numbers.

Cruz has been seriously underestimated at pretty much every turn in his career.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #55 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:18:19 am »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 27, 2018, 10:50:43 pm

Oh come on Frank. Talk about a circus your boy Trump manufactured a story for the Enquirer about Ted and women. He was the one paying hush money to the whores he had. Then more circus acts he paints Teds father as involved in JFK assassination. That's pretty embarrassing behavior. He and his Pecker friend had some good circus acts.

Not to mention slandering Cruz with every tweet.

sneakypete · « **Reply #56 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:19:30 am »

Quote from: DB on August 28, 2018, 01:02:14 am

Who wants a turncoat lying Goldman Sachs puppet with an ugly wife in the Senate anyway?

Was there anyone more hated by Trump supporters? I can't think of anyone.

More "winning"! MAGA!

@DB

I don't hate Cruz and never have. I just didn't support him because there is just something about him personally that creeps me out. Can't quite put my finger on it,but that doesn't matter because I trust my instincts.

Bigun · « **Reply #57 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:20:26 am »

Quote from: thackney on August 28, 2018, 09:16:39 am

Beto may be new to those outside Texas, but he has been in Texas a long time and active in Politics for a while. He has served a 3 terms as El Paso US Representative.

Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?

sneakypete · « **Reply #58 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:22:38 am »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on August 28, 2018, 08:36:38 am

Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.

@IsailedawayfromFR

"Rubbing guys the right way" sure worked for Barney Frank,Chuck Todd,and a high percentage of the rest of the leftist politicians and talking heads.

skeeter · « **Reply #59 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:22:48 am »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 10:20:26 am

Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?

Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.

Sanguine · « **Reply #60 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:24:13 am »

Quote from: skeeter on August 28, 2018, 10:22:48 am

Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.

Me too.

Bigun · « **Reply #61 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:25:02 am »

Quote from: skeeter on August 28, 2018, 10:22:48 am

Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.

Put that in the bank!

It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!

catfish1957 · « **Reply #62 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:32:27 am »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 10:25:02 am

Put that in the bank!

It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!

I am a tad less optimistic. I think he wins by about 5%. Especially after he takes Beto to the woodshed in a debate. (big if, if Beto debates now though)

I really think a lot of the mud Trump threw during camapign stuck. Pereception is twice as powerful as fact.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #63 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:44:10 am »

Quote from: catfish1957 on August 28, 2018, 10:32:27 am

I am a tad less optimistic. I think he wins by about 5%. Especially after he takes Beto to the woodshed in a debate. (big if, if Beto debates now though)

I really think a lot of the mud Trump threw during camapign stuck. Pereception is twice as powerful as fact.

I really think Ted is just a poor retail candidate ... but be that as it may. If you really believe this is because of Ted's convention speech, then shouldn't you be contacting Cruz's office prompting him to get in touch with the President for a rally together?

Or is all this hand-wringing just supersized anxiety and Ted's on the path to victory --- which is what I'm all this is.

thackney · « **Reply #64 on:** August 28, 2018, 11:15:13 am »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 10:20:26 am

Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?

Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.

Ted Cruz will win by double digits.

Bigun · « **Reply #65 on:** August 28, 2018, 11:16:33 am »

Quote from: thackney on August 28, 2018, 11:15:13 am

Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.

Ted Cruz will win by double digits.

We're good!

Emjay · « **Reply #66 on:** August 28, 2018, 12:28:21 pm »

Quote from: Sanguine on August 28, 2018, 10:24:13 am

Me too.

Dittos to you both.

Emjay · « **Reply #67 on:** August 28, 2018, 01:02:11 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 12:28:46 am

You are out of touch. Just look at the how he failed miserably on his Presidential run. Trump was filling stadiums while Cruz couldn't fill town halls. You may love Cruz's long winded speeches to nowhere. No one else does. We have tangible proof of that with actual election results. Ted has likability problems out the ass.

BTW it wasn't some rumor about the yard signs from Beto people. It was one of our people who actually lives there and is involved in the process...

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329734.msg1779035.html#msg1779035

Give it up @Frank Cannon Nothing you can say will make Ted Cruz anything less than stellar and a blessing to our country and the Senate.

He did not fail miserably in the Presidential race. He was Trump's closest rival and Trump was terrified of him. Ted was a virtual unknown nationwide and Trump had been a household name for years. Trump was probably more vicious to Ted than any other rivals because he was afraid of him.

You have never heard a speech by Ted Cruz. I know you haven't so don't lie.

Emjay · « **Reply #68 on:** August 28, 2018, 01:05:38 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 28, 2018, 07:48:21 am

It's a reminder that Cruz had a lot of help when he "kicked arse" as Corbe said in 2012,

I hope Cruz is not too proud to ask for help if he needs it now @Emjay If he is, *this* should be what disappoints you.

@Right_in_Virginia It's not a matter of pride. Ted does not need Trump's help in Texas.

As for Trump, he should be helping Ted, and also praying that Ted wins. Out of all the primary opponents Trump had, Ted Cruz has ended up being the fairest to the Trump administration.

All of his other opponents hate his guts and don't hesitate to say so.

XenaLee · « **Reply #69 on:** August 28, 2018, 01:14:11 pm »

Quote from: thackney on August 28, 2018, 11:15:13 am

Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.

Ted Cruz will win by double digits.

Of course he will. Meanwhile... it's nice to know which neighbors are idiots (Beto signs). Probably infestations from California.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:00:12 pm »

Quote from: Emjay on August 28, 2018, 01:02:11 pm

Give it up @Frank Cannon Nothing you can say will make Ted Cruz anything less than stellar and a blessing to our country and the Senate.

He did not fail miserably in the Presidential race. He was Trump's closest rival and Trump was terrified of him. Ted was a virtual unknown nationwide and Trump had been a household name for years. Trump was probably more vicious to Ted than any other rivals because he was afraid of him.

You have never heard a speech by Ted Cruz. I know you haven't so don't lie.

Ted got his ass handed to him in that Presidential run. He was forced to play delegate games just to stay alive and even then he was a big fat loser. You can stay delusional all you want, but I live in the real world where real things happen.

Trump is blue and Cruz is gold.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:02:57 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 28, 2018, 10:44:10 am

I really think Ted is just a poor retail candidate ...

Huh?

Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #72 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:06:26 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on August 28, 2018, 02:02:57 pm

Huh?

Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.

LOL. Some second places are worse than others. Donny got 1447 and Ted got 551. Not really competitive, is it.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:10:41 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 02:06:26 pm

LOL. Some second places are worse than others. Donny got 1447 and Ted got 551. Not really competitive, is it.

I can't help that a substntial faction of the GOP was so stupid that they got duped by this orange Trojan Horse.

It will be a political tale of the ages.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:15:08 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on August 28, 2018, 02:10:41 pm

I can't help that a substntial faction of the GOP was so stupid that they got duped by this orange Trojan Horse.

It will be a political tale of the ages.

Listen. You are the one pimping that Ted was such a dynamo on the campaign trail and now claiming Primary voters were dopes. Now Ted is showing weakness in a slam dunk race and all you folks are spinning that everything is fine. Ted has only won one real election in his life and lost one. Not very good odds to work off of.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #75 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:19:17 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on August 28, 2018, 02:02:57 pm

Huh?

Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.

See Frank's post for the numbers.

And yes, Cruz sucks at retail politics. Want to argue about this? Then tell me what Ted's platform is. What's the fire in his belly --- what is he promising to work on without sleeping until it passes? Tell me how this will affect MY life, MY fortune, MY safety.

Tell me what would make me stand in a line of thousands at midnight -- in the November cold --- just to hear him speak and give him the support he needs to cross the finish line victorious.

@catfish1957

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #76 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:28:39 pm »

Quote from: Emjay on August 28, 2018, 01:05:38 pm

@Right_in_Virginia It's not a matter of pride. Ted does not need Trump's help in Texas.

As for Trump, he should be helping Ted, and also praying that Ted wins. Out of all the primary opponents Trump had, Ted Cruz has ended up being the fairest to the Trump administration.

All of his other opponents hate his guts and don't hesitate to say so.

You're spinning so fast here @Emjay that *I'm* feeling queasy. Which is it Cruz doesn't need the President's help, or the President should be helping Cruz? Are you seriously saying the President should fly to Texas and say, "I'm here to help you even though you don't need or want it????"

Damn it, I hope this thread turns out to be wholly unnecessary. I hope Ted Cruz is HALF as magnificent at you and others claim. And I hope he doesn't lose the damn seat.

That's it. It's too crazy. I'm out.

Bigun · « **Reply #77 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:28:47 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 28, 2018, 02:19:17 pm

See Frank's post for the numbers.

And yes, Cruz sucks at retail politics. Want to argue about this? Then tell me what Ted's platform is. What's the fire in his belly --- what is he promising to work on without sleeping until it passes? Tell me how this will affect MY life, MY fortune, MY safety.

Tell me what would make me stand in a line of thousands at midnight -- in the November cold --- just to hear him speak and give him the support he needs to cross the finish line victorious.

@catfish1957

As long as he wins, and rest assured he will, I don't give a damn about his campaign style!

Emjay · « **Reply #78 on:** August 28, 2018, 02:39:25 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 28, 2018, 02:28:39 pm

You're spinning so fast here @Emjay that *I'm* feeling queasy. Which is it Cruz doesn't need the President's help, or the President should be helping Cruz? Are you seriously saying the President should fly to Texas and say, "I'm here to help you even though you don't need or want it????"

Damn it, I hope this thread turns out to be wholly unnecessary. I hope Ted Cruz is HALF as magnificent at you and others claim. And I hope he doesn't lose the damn seat.

That's it. It's too crazy. I'm out.

I don't know what I meant. I've forgotten what I ever meant. Goodbye and good luck.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #79 on:** August 28, 2018, 03:03:54 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 02:28:47 pm

As long as he wins, and rest assured he will, I don't give a damn about his campaign style!

Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.

If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.

sneakypete · « **Reply #80 on:** August 28, 2018, 03:16:23 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 10:25:02 am

Put that in the bank!

It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!

@Bigun

It's a game every campaign plays to try to bring in contributions.

cato potatoe · « **Reply #81 on:** August 28, 2018, 04:16:52 pm »

I'm not sure if Ted is doing anything wrong. He has always said this would be a competitive race. Trump is unpopular in the southwest, and he is a drag on the congressional races. Republican senate candidates are losing in Arizona and Nevada, with several house seats endangered as well.

Bigun · « **Reply #82 on:** August 28, 2018, 04:38:27 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 03:03:54 pm

Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.

If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.

@Frank Cannon

No matter how many times you repeat that bull shit it will still be bull shit.

Emjay · « **Reply #83 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:04:38 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 03:03:54 pm

Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.

If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.

Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.

John Cornyn is a bland disappointment but okay, but Ted Cruz is a real threat to the left.

If you can't see that, it is amazing to me. Did Ted hurt your feelings?

Emjay · « **Reply #84 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:06:45 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 03:03:54 pm

Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.

If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.

The first time Ted Cruz ran for Senate, the whole establishment of Texas politics was against him and he had a popular, establishment-supported opponent.

He won easily and he will again.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #85 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:11:24 pm »

Quote from: Emjay on August 28, 2018, 05:04:38 pm

Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.

John Cornyn is a bland disappointment but okay, but Ted Cruz is a real threat to the left.

If you can't see that, it is amazing to me. Did Ted hurt your feelings?

They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.

I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #86 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:12:24 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on August 28, 2018, 04:38:27 pm

@Frank Cannon

No matter how many times you repeat that bull shit it will still be bull shit.

I'm not the one with a candidate that is consistently underpolling.

Bigun · « **Reply #87 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:15:42 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 05:11:24 pm

They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.

I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.

He's telling them "Promises made! Promises kept" and that's all he has to say.

LadyLiberty · « **Reply #88 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:17:45 pm »

So Beto likes to be spanked?

https://vimeo.com/42664332

skeeter · « **Reply #89 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:22:48 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 05:11:24 pm

They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.

I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.

What can any congressional incumbent claim to have done during the past term? The braindead GOP leadership is the critical path - not one can claim any more than can Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.

Emjay · « **Reply #90 on:** August 28, 2018, 05:25:05 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 28, 2018, 05:12:24 pm

I'm not the one with a candidate that is consistently underpolling.

Breathe, Frank, breathe. As Ted Cruz said to Donald during a debate. Donald was positively sputtering with rage because Cruz was making a good point, and, of course, he interrupted.

Everyone laughed at Trump when Ted said that.

sneakypete · « **Reply #91 on:** August 28, 2018, 06:02:52 pm »

Quote from: Emjay on August 28, 2018, 05:04:38 pm

Quote
Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.

@Emjay

Maybe Soros thinks Cruz is a gnat,but sees this as preventative medicine to keep him from ever becoming a bird of prey? Right now it won't cost him that much to squash Cruz. If he wins again,it is going to both harder and more expensive to stop him the next time.

Emjay · « **Reply #92 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:00:26 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on August 28, 2018, 06:02:52 pm

@Emjay

Maybe Soros thinks Cruz is a gnat,but sees this as preventative medicine to keep him from ever becoming a bird of prey? Right now it won't cost him that much to squash Cruz. If he wins again,it is going to both harder and more expensive to stop him the next time.

Who knows? Cruz was a viable candidate last time and maybe they're afraid of an eventual Cruz Presidency.

It's kind of ironic that, although I have been a Trump supporter ever since he was elected, avid Trump supporters are furious with Ted Cruz and maybe me for supporting him.

It's like a red flag to a bull.

corbe · « **Reply #93 on:** August 28, 2018, 10:12:58 pm »

The affirmation the Trumpers gain with a Cruz loss will carry them through till 2020. Another FOE vanquished!!!!

thackney · « **Reply #94 on:** August 29, 2018, 04:53:08 am »

Quote from: sneakypete on August 28, 2018, 03:16:23 pm

@Bigun

It's a game every campaign plays to try to bring in contributions.

Exactly. Cruz benefits from the race being sold as too-close-to-call. So does Beto. Why would either side want it to be portrayed differently in the media?

Bigun · « **Reply #95 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:38:55 am »

Quote from: thackney on August 29, 2018, 04:53:08 am

Exactly. Cruz benefits from the race being sold as too-close-to-call. So does Beto. Why would either side want it to be portrayed differently in the media?

And that is exactly why they almost never make their honest internal polls public. If they put out a poll that shows them 20 points up the money dries up and the same thing happens the other way around.

Bigun · « **Reply #96 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:41:55 am »

@Frank Cannon

Check this out and tell me Paddy has a chance i hell of defeating Ted in November.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #97 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:46:59 am »

Quote from: Bigun on August 29, 2018, 09:41:55 am

@Frank Cannon

Check this out and tell me Paddy has a chance i hell of defeating Ted in November.

Well the TX AG looks well positioned to take on Beto since he is bringing up this issue and slamming the Rats with it. Couldn't find Ted's name anywhere in that. I'll give it another read to see if I missed it.

jpsb · « **Reply #98 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:52:11 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 27, 2018, 11:19:34 pm

If I remember correctly, Cruz also had Palin campaigning with/for him. Is she helping now?

Palin elected Ted Cruz.

thackney · « **Reply #99 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:52:20 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 29, 2018, 09:46:59 am

Well the TX AG looks well positioned to take on Beto since he is bringing up this issue and slamming the Rats with it. Couldn't find Ted's name anywhere in that. I'll give it another read to see if I missed it.

Sen. Ted Cruz talks immigration, Beto Oâ€™Rourke during Corpus Christi stop
https://kristv.com/news/local-news/2018/08/20/sen-ted-cruz-talks-immigration-beto-orourke-during-corpus-christi-stop/

...Cruz spoke on a number of issues, including immigration.

â€œYou know, I have many times summed up my views on immigration in four words: Legal, good. Illegal, bad,â€ Cruz told the crowd.

Immigration reform was just one of the hot topics the senator discussed during his
Corpus Christi stop.

â€œThis election is about jobs, itâ€™s about securing the border, and itâ€™s about protecting our constitutional rights,â€ Cruz said....

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Ted Cruz seizes on Beto Oâ€™Rourkeâ€™s willingness to consider abolishing ICE
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-seizes-on-Beto-O-Rourke-s-13055048.php

...â€œIâ€™ve been the leading defender in the Senate of securing the border, building the wall, of keeping this country safe and stopping illegal immigration,â€ Cruz said in Longview in northeast Texas as part of an 11-city tour through the state this week. â€œIn contrast, my opponent Democrat Beto Oâ€™Rourke supports sanctuary cities, supports open borders, and just this week he said he was â€˜open to abolishing ICE.â€...