Trump declares 'market would crash' if Democrats impeached him (FOX)

[mirraflake]

Narcissism at its zenith.

Trump speaks the truth. Do you really think Pence will follow the same economic moves Trump did. No. Pencewill follow the rinos and we will be back to where we started. Back to Globalism and  offshoring of American jobs and weak border..

Stop this anti Trump nonsense. it's unhealthy.

[roamer_1]

It has really become scary how attached some of these folks have become to such a flawed leader.

Once on the Garden Path, the suspension of disbelief works wonders. That's half of how I know what he is... this unthinking devotion that surrounds him... And he's made damn sure they won't listen to anyone but him... They are under a glamour.

Trump has gotten to the point where he could gracefully exit in favor of Pence.  And enough time to recover for 2020.

No, sadly, he can't. The minute he is no longer covered by presidential immunity, they will come at him with all four feet. He will play it all the way out... At least to the next election, likely leaving Pence as a bag-holder.

[roamer_1]

You really think 2/3 of the senate would vote for conviction?   I am guessing not.

I would say it is quite possible... Regardless of the charge, who hasn't he pissed off royally in Congress?

[roamer_1]

the left is posing a threat to this nation via their attempts to overturn the last election.   That should be a troubling fact for even you, INVAR.  Even those that detest Trump should be against this crap that's going on.

Not if it's legit.
And he will lie under oath - That is predictably what will bring him down.

[catfish1957]

Stop this anti Trump nonsense. it's unhealthy.

Sorry.  I don't want any of your koolaid.

[roamer_1]

Trump speaks the truth.

Tump wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit him on his fat ass.

[skeeter]

Once on the Garden Path, the suspension of disbelief works wonders. That's half of how I know what he is... this unthinking devotion that surrounds him... And he's made damn sure they won't listen to anyone but him... They are under a glamour.

Could be we just resent the State treating Article 2 of the Constitution as a nuisance as they contrive to remove a duly elected president.

Nah, gotta be the glamour of Trump.

[roamer_1]

Could be we just resent the State treating Article 2 of the Constitution as a nuisance as they contrive to remove a duly elected president.

Nah, gotta be the glamour of Trump.

If true, it isn't a contrivance.

[XenaLee]

Not if it's legit.
And he will lie under oath - That is predictably what will bring him down.

Honestly... I can't wrap my brain around how some of you (here)... that are supposedly NOT leftists... are so seemingly hopeful that the left will succeed in 'bringing him down'.   Do you not know or see that bringing him down will also bring the economy down and subsequently, damage ALL of our lives in the process...?  Hell, it could even kick off the next civil war.  And you're ok with that???  [shaking head]

[roamer_1]

Honestly... I can't wrap my brain around how some of you (here)... that are supposedly NOT leftists... are so seemingly hopeful that the left will succeed in 'bringing him down'.   Do you not know or see that bringing him down will also bring the economy down and subsequently, damage ALL of our lives in the process...?  Hell, it could even kick off the next civil war.  And you're ok with that???  [shaking head]

I am already on the record preferring he is not impeached.

But he is not above the law.
And he has created an environment where many, many are looking for an excuse.
and very few will rise to defend him.
Had he not publicly lied about the payoffs as president, there would be no traction.
But he did.

[skeeter]

If true, it isn't a contrivance.

If whats true?

[roamer_1]

If whats true?

If there is evidence of the payoffs to stifle the bimbo eruptions during the campaign.
In which case, he has publicly lied about them.
And that brings the collusion and corruption into his presidency.

[skeeter]

If there is evidence of the payoffs to stifle the bimbo eruptions during the campaign.
In which case, he has publicly lied about them.
And that brings the collusion and corruption into his presidency.

Well, no it doesn't. At worst it means he lied about a legal transaction to avoid embarrassment.

And the public can decide how important that is.

[XenaLee]

I am already on the record preferring he is not impeached.

But he is not above the law.
And he has created an environment where many, many are looking for an excuse.
and very few will rise to defend him.
Had he not publicly lied about the payoffs as president, there would be no traction.
But he did.

Ok....good.   Because I don't want to see the left succeed in ANYthing... ever.   And I just don't believe they have anything worthy of that last-gasp move (impeachment).

If we convicted all the presidents, past and present, about "public lies" they told, we wouldn't have a system of government based on the Executive Branch.  The Democrats especially have set that bar so low it's touching the ground.  But even the GOP lies "publicly". 

And I disagree that had Trump not lied about the payoffs there would be no traction.  The leftists have no real traction now and it's not stopping them from 'full speed ahead' attempting to ""rectify the last election results"".

[roamer_1]

Well, no it doesn't. At worst it means he lied about a legal transaction to avoid embarrassment.

And the public can decide how important that is.

The public's opinion means nothing. If he has given them grounds, all that matters is the House, and then the Senate.

[XenaLee]

If there is evidence of the payoffs to stifle the bimbo eruptions during the campaign.
In which case, he has publicly lied about them.
And that brings the collusion and corruption into his presidency.

Nope.  No collusion.   Corruption?  If you want to call adultery corruption, sure.   But again... how many Congress men (and women) would we still have if all of them that engage in that "crime" were eliminated?   DC would be a ghost town.

And again... how can you make the case against "payoffs to stifle bimbo eruptions" re: Trump...

and let skate the Congressional "stifle the bimbos fund" that taxpayers have been forced to pay for?

[roamer_1]

And I disagree that had Trump not lied about the payoffs there would be no traction.  The leftists have no real traction now and it's not stopping them from 'full speed ahead' attempting to ""rectify the last election results"".

Just like the Pubbies did to Clinton. And Clinton had far more friends than Tump does right now. He made himself wide-open for this. And here it comes. Watch and see.

[skeeter]

The public's opinion means nothing. If he has given them grounds, all that matters is the House, and then the Senate.

He still has to have violated some law, put the country in some peril or otherwise done something wrong, right?

At least I think thats still the standard.

[roamer_1]

Nope.  No collusion.   Corruption?  If you want to call adultery corruption, sure.   But again... how many Congress men (and women) would we still have if all of them that engage in that "crime" were eliminated?   DC would be a ghost town.

And again... how can you make the case against "payoffs to stifle bimbo eruptions" re: Trump...

and let skate the Congressional "stifle the bimbos fund" that taxpayers have been forced to pay for?

You can stop pointing at everyone else and shouting 'he did it too'...
He did this all by himself.

[roamer_1]

He still has to have violated some law, put the country in some peril or otherwise done something wrong, right?

At least I think thats still the standard.

Well, no. The house alone decides the definition of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' Clinton broke no law, other than lying during the proceedings... And with Tump, that's gonna be a near guarantee. He can't keep from lying for more than 20 minutes.

[catfish1957]

He still has to have violated some law, put the country in some peril or otherwise done something wrong, right?

At least I think thats still the standard.

IF the dims really got desperate they could subpoena his tax records.

Just sayin'

[catfish1957]

Well, no. The house alone decides the definition of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' Clinton broke no law, other than lying during the proceedings... And with Tump, that's gonna be a near guarantee. He can't keep from lying for more than 20 minutes.

Amen....  Putting Trump under testimony under oath will be political suicide.

[corbe]

   IMHO @XenaLee  very, very few Briefers want Trump Impeached it damages the GOP brand even more.   BUT most of us predicted this Carnival and knew it would distract from getting real $hit accomplished.   
   Is it possible that a Cruz Administration would have had 5 people under Federal Indictment at this point, it's possible but highly improbable.

[ABX]

I am already on the record preferring he is not impeached.

But he is not above the law.
And he has created an environment where many, many are looking for an excuse.
and very few will rise to defend him.
Had he not publicly lied about the payoffs as president, there would be no traction.
But he did.

Certainly not for anything regarding Cohen's issue. I don't think that rises to a Constitutional high crime (see the link I out in my post way up thread). He is, however, walking a very fine line on many of his actions in regards to tariffs and treaties where he hasn't gone back to Congress as required by law and the Constitution. That falls much in line with what Andrew Johnson was impeached for- establishing a central bank without going to Congress. In both cases, they are Article 1, section 8, clause 1 violations.

I don't think Congress will touch that though. They don't want to take back responsibility for whatever becomes of that.

[ABX]

Just like the Pubbies did to Clinton. And Clinton had far more friends than Tump does right now. He made himself wide-open for this. And here it comes. Watch and see.

What did Clinton in was testifying. His impeachment history started very similar in that it was an investigation of an unrelated issue from prior to the elections, Whitewater. That revealed the affairs, and it was his lying under oath that got him.

Trump would be wise just to shut up at this point.