BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS

[skeeter]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

[Bigun]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

  There is absolutely no doubt about it!

[corbe]

    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.

[Sanguine]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

@Bigun, remember I made myself fairly unpopular asking that question for a while after the election.  I don't believe I ever got a satisfactory answer either.  May be that there isn't one.

[INVAR]

...I find DB's reply completely non responsive to the question I asked.  I have never yet voted for Trump and refuse to reward anyone who does not do in office what they promised me they would while campaigning yet Donald Trump still IS the president.   What do you suggest I do DB? 

I would suggest you endure, same as you did when Obama was president.

As we go from bad, to worse to tolerable and then to the eventual unthinkable in terms leaders, all any of us can do is to prepare ourselves and our posterity for the consequences that will come and endure through them.

John Adams' letter to Abigail on July 7th 1775 is one that was prophetic and points to an unvarnished truth few to none will accept.

Enduring to the end with our faith intact is all that we can do now, because we are not a people capable of doing what will be necessary to restore what we have discarded and this culture wants what we used to be fundamentally opposed to.

[INVAR]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.

[skeeter]

I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

[Bigun]

    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.

@corbe

As long as we continue allowing the beltway bastards to tell us who is or isn't allowed to represent us in Congress there is no hope for us regardless of party labels.

[Bigun]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Since, by nature, I have to be doing something I guess I'll bail water.

[INVAR]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

[aligncare]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Best analogy I’ve heard. Sorta brings it home, don’t it?

[DB]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

[Wingnut]

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

INVAR you are a little dinghy.

[INVAR]

INVAR you are a little dinghy.

Hell no.  I'm an aircraft carrier in the dinghy department.

But you knew that, so you can stop being generous.

[Sanguine]

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

[DB]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

That "weapon" is going to end up doing more long term damage to your own team than the opposing team you say you want to defeat.

You don't go pouring in more good resources towards a lost cause and call if "fighting". It is just more violent suicide.

[aligncare]

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

What does that even mean? Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of any logic that would lead one to make that statement.

[Sanguine]

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.

[edpc]

All of this was looked at years ago and no charge was filed.

Now, you know why.  Many of these crimes are very complex in nature, tedious to explain and boring as hell for the average juror.  Years ago, they wanted Manafort to go after Yanukovych.  Once he fled, it wasn’t worth the time or expense.  Now, they wanted him for what he may know about the TT meeting or anything else in the campaign.  Ellis knew this months ago and said so.  However, he demanded to see the redacted background work and saw something he felt justified moving forward with the trial.  Perhaps we’ll find out what that entailed in the near future.

[musiclady]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

Isn't that where we're headed either way?  The Republican party is certainly not stopping us from going there.

[DB]

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.

[musiclady]

   Great posts all @musiclady


   There is hope for a third party in America, IMHO.  Discounting it's eventual demise at the hands of the GOP the Tea Party was a truly 'Grassroots' idea that made a significant impact for 2 election cycles.  It can be done again.

Perhaps it can.

But Trump's party is even more despicable than the EGOP that destroyed the Tea Party.

I've been an optimist my entire life, but I don't feel much of it any more.

Perhaps this can be solved, but perhaps not.

[musiclady]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

The problem is that we now have a CinC whose idea of winning a war is avoiding an STD, and whose choice of weapons is tweeting like a 6 year old.

There's no one out there on "our side" who is willing to fight for us.

[musiclady]

The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.

Yep.

[DB]

If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.

That's why it so important to not repeat this mistake. There are real consequences. Trump bragged about buying politicians, doing married women of powerful men among many other things all before the primary. He's immoral and corrupt. He repeatedly lied to "win".

Now people are "shocked" his personal fixer lawyer did crooked stuff, as if it were just him that was the problem and the dirtbag. The lawyer did exactly what Trump paid him to do.

[Frank Cannon]

LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious!

Some of you folks aught to step out of your Section 8 hovels and look around at the real world. No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that. No effing wonder barely any new people show up here. Everyone is discussing shit that is so irrelevant to daily life in America that it may as well be a forum in a foreign language like Portuguese. 

[aligncare]

Middle of August, guaranteed no one’s paying attention to the Manafort verdict.

[DB]

What does that even mean? Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of any logic that would lead one to make that statement.

What does it mean???

Quit doing the same damn thing expecting a different result. Stop voting for the lesser evil while expecting something other than evil.

I don't really care if our leaders are driving us off the cliff at 85 mph or 35 mph, we're still going over the cliff. We don't have infinite credit and do overs. Our days are numbered if we don't make some real changes. Getting there a little slower isn't the solution to anything, the cliff is in view. It is just asking the bear to eat the other guy first... Neither Trump nor the GOP is doing anything to even actually slow things down. Deficit spending is increasing. Corruption in government is increasing.

[corbe]

    You Trumpers are having a bad couple of days, I get that, still it's no reason to call us Briefers a bunch of no talent hacks, @Frank Cannon where are your manners?


   PS:  Evan was a cheap shot.

[DB]

LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious!

Some of you folks aught to step out of your Section 8 hovels and look around at the real world. No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that. No effing wonder barely any new people show up here. Everyone is discussing shit that is so irrelevant to daily life in America that it may as well be a forum in a foreign language like Portuguese.

There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

[DB]

    You Trumpers are having a bad couple of days, I get that, still it's no reason to call us Briefers a bunch of no talent hacks, @Frank Cannon where are your manners?


   PS:  Evan was a cheap shot.

Just consider the source... It works for him...

[Bigun]

There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

@DB @Frank Cannon

There is a lot of truth in what Frank said whether we like it or not.

[Right_in_Virginia]

LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious! 

 

[DB]

@DB @Frank Cannon

There is a lot of truth in what Frank said whether we like it or not.

Which "truth" is that?

That I'm section 8 housing?

That ignoring the spending along with the rest of America is just fine?

That ignoring the corruption in government with the rest of American is just fine?

Those truths?

[roamer_1]

[...] the EGOP that destroyed the Tea Party.

The rumors of our demise are somewhat premature.

[DB]

Full of substance as usual... Light but filling eh?

[Frank Cannon]

There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.

[INVAR]

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

That is a decision each individual with the means will have to make for themselves.

All most of us will be able to do is to endure, wait for the collapse and raise your head up high because our Redemption draws near.

There is no peaceable political solution to where we have arrived, and math is math.   The amounts added up socially, culturally and economically are going to be the sum regardless of what lies we tell ourselves to give the vain feeling of hope.

We were always only ever one generation away from throwing everything we once were, out the window to embrace ideas and behaviors that are corrosively anathema to the existence of the liberty that was established for us.

Now the rot is into the bones and the cancer into the brain of the body politick.

[Bigun]

Which "truth" is that?

That I'm section 8 housing?

That ignoring the spending along with the rest of America is just fine?

That ignoring the corruption in government with the rest of American is just fine?

Those truths?

@DB

Try this part

No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that.

[edpc]

You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.

That sometimes happens despite who is in The Oval and not because of it.  There’s no better example of that than the 90s.

[roamer_1]

What does it mean???

Quit doing the same damn thing expecting a different result. Stop voting for the lesser evil while expecting something other than evil.

I don't really care if our leaders are driving us off the cliff at 85 mph or 35 mph, we're still going over the cliff. We don't have infinite credit and do overs. Our days are numbered if we don't make some real changes. Getting there a little slower isn't the solution to anything, the cliff is in view. It is just asking the bear to eat the other guy first... Neither Trump nor the GOP is doing anything to even actually slow things down. Deficit spending is increasing. Corruption in government is increasing.

EXACTLY right.

And as long as people believe the insane idea that their vote is ANYTHING other than an endorsement, this will continue unbound.

You get what you vote *for*.
Voting against anything is a lie.
If you don't approve of something or someone DON'T vote for it.

The only way to stop this cycle of 'lesser evil' is to stop supporting it.

[INVAR]

There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

That is just another way of saying 'Trump can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a single supporter'.

Which confirms again for me - that there really is no difference in the devotion of supporters of the last Heinous in the White House with the devotion Trump enjoys among his.

[Frank Cannon]

That sometimes happens despite who is in The Oval and not because of it.  There’s no better example of that than the 90s.

I made a lot of coin in the 90's. Making a lot a coin again. It's rainin' dolla dolla dolla mo fo.....

[DB]

You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.

I was never a peak oil person. Ever. Gonna have to find something else.

Sticking your head in the sand regarding printing endless money gets you half of South America.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Full of substance as usual... Light but filling eh?

Actually, Frank's post was quite substantive ..... and I appreciate it.   

[edpc]

I made a lot of coin in the 90's. Making a lot a coin again. It's rainin' dolla dolla dolla mo fo....

So did I, but I don’t have Clinton to thank for it.

[Wingnut]

So did I, but I don’t have Clinton to thank for it.

Ross Perot. 

[Frank Cannon]

Ross Perot.

Harold Stassen.

[DB]

Actually, Frank's post was quite substantive ..... and I appreciate it.   

So just come out and own it then. Trillion dollar deficit spending via printing and borrowing money is not a serious problem. Government corruption isn't a serious problem. That your team knows most of the American people don't pay much attention to it and therefore more of the same is the way to go. Lower taxes, up the spending and enjoy the party.

Because that's the "substance" of Frank's post.

At least that clearly defines the lines between us.

[INVAR]

So just come out and own it then. Trillion dollar deficit spending via printing and borrowing money is not a serious problem. Government corruption isn't a serious problem. That your team knows most of the American people don't pay much attention to it and therefore more of the same is the way to go. Lower taxes, up the spending and enjoy the party.

Because that's the "substance" of Frank's post.

At least that clearly defines the lines between us.

Irrevocably,  so it seems.

So, we have the Democrat and Leftists that hate us; the Liberal Republican Establishment that hates us; and the Trumplicans who hate us in equal portions because we continue to espouse the ideas we stand for despite the demands that we should shut up about them.

Ah well.  Let's spend trillions more on the credit card and pretend it's 1999!