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What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« on: August 03, 2018, 03:38:14 pm »
What Does It Mean To Be Conservative?

by Erick Erickson
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We need to have these conversations. We will start them today in Texas.

I am in Austin, TX to have a conversation with conservatives about conservatism and public policy. I am calling this conversation the “Resurgent Gathering” as conservatives spend two days explore how to spark a conservative resurgence in the country. What does it mean, in the 21st century, to be a conservative? In the age of political cults of personality, some would argue that it means standing with President Trump at all costs. But just seventeen years ago, many of those same people said the same about George W. Bush.

One of President Bush’s former advisers claimed the President had said conservatism was whatever he wanted it to be. Media defenders of his profligate domestic spending coined the phrase “big government conservatism.” They claimed President Bush would use the government for conservative ends. Instead, government dependency grew, the national debt grew, and the government bailed out both banks and General Motors.

Conservatives are having the same arguments again with President Trump. We are on the verge of the one year deficit reaching $1 trillion after Republicans railed against Barack Obama’s out of control spending. The President is up-ending free markets by not just imposing tariffs, but also $12 billion in government subsidies for farmers. But concurrently, President Trump is rolling back big government mandates on fuel standards, regulations that cripple big and small industries alike, cutting taxes, and putting constitutionally conservative jurists on the federal bench.

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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 03:40:55 pm »




    Since this is a Resurgent Article all recipes are tolerated and even encouraged.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2018, 03:51:34 pm by corbe »
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 04:45:56 pm »
Quote from: corbe on August 03, 2018, 03:40:55 pm

Since this is a Resurgent Article all recipes are tolerated and even encouraged.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 05:09:26 pm »
Trump never ran as a conventional small government conservative though, some federal jobs and red tape have been cut. You take the good and bad.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 05:12:14 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on August 03, 2018, 05:09:26 pm
Trump never ran as a conventional small government conservative though, some federal jobs and red tape have been cut. You take the good and bad.

Enjoy.

I've had my fill of doing that for over 30 years.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 05:12:20 pm »


Yes, those 3rd parties really do a lot to protect some of our Constitutional Rights.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 05:36:28 pm »
Quote from: corbe on August 03, 2018, 03:40:55 pm



Okay.  Tell us what the hell the Constitution Party stands for.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 05:42:43 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on August 03, 2018, 05:12:14 pm
Enjoy.

I've had my fill of doing that for over 30 years. 

Why are you on this forum?  While it's certainly your right to be here, what is your point @INVAR ?  Are you trying to convince others to do something?  If so, what is it?

Or, are you here to bitch, moan and insult without consequences because your "listeners" are faceless strangers?

Really. what the heck is your deal?
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 05:50:12 pm »
   Actually, @Right_in_Virginia some Briefers here have asked the very same question of you, to no avail, which also is your prerogative.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 05:57:17 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 03, 2018, 05:42:43 pm
Why are you on this forum? 

Because I choose to be.

Deal with it.

or not.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 05:57:48 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 03, 2018, 05:36:28 pm
Okay.  Tell us what the hell the Constitution Party stands for.

What the Republican Party and it's leadership have abandoned.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2018, 07:14:42 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on August 03, 2018, 05:57:17 pm
Because I choose to be.

Deal with it.

or not.

I know you choose to be ... but why @INVAR   I'm very curious and am not judging you.  I just would love to know what your deal is because *everyone* has one---even you.

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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2018, 07:15:14 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on August 03, 2018, 05:57:48 pm
What the Republican Party and it's leadership have abandoned.

You really don't have an answer for anything.   **nononono*
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 07:19:22 pm »
Quote from: corbe on August 03, 2018, 05:50:12 pm
   Actually, @Right_in_Virginia some Briefers here have asked the very same question of you, to no avail, which also is your prerogative.

Actually @corbe you're wrong.   Ever tire of this, dear?
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2018, 07:22:04 pm »
"What Does It Mean To Be Conservative?"


It means not knowing what it means to be conservative.

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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2018, 07:47:13 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 03, 2018, 07:14:42 pm
I know you choose to be ... but why @INVAR   I'm very curious and am not judging you.  I just would love to know what your deal is because *everyone* has one---even you.

I have already explained it ad nauseum before on myriad threads going back two years. 

You are welcome to peruse the archives if you had any actual intent to satisfy your curiosity - which I highly doubt.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2018, 08:12:16 pm »
Just for fun, I thought I'd try and answer the question of "What does it mean to be a Conservative?"
I'll start with a quote from the article:

"By and large, however, conservatives agree on the basics. Government that does the least, does the best. The individual is of greater value to society than the collective mob. As an individual succeeds, the nation as a whole succeeds. Power in the hands of a few is bad and collectivism is a disaster. Power in an abstract, distant government should be more limited than the powers of the representatives closest to the people. Power in the hands of the unelected is bad and should be given sparingly. Free markets coupled with free people will benefit us all better than a government picking winners and losers."

I'll add:

(1) Strict adherence to the Constitution as written, not as interpreted for the times we live in.

(2) Private property ownership, and the rights that go along with it.

(3) Statement from the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2018, 01:23:42 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 03, 2018, 07:15:14 pm
You really don't have an answer for anything.   **nononono*

His answer was succinct, precise, and correct.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2018, 01:51:05 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 04, 2018, 01:23:42 am
His answer was succinct, precise, and correct.


She just didn't like his answer, that's what she does to people she doesn't agree with. Straight outta the @Right_in_Virginia playbook.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2018, 06:11:05 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 04, 2018, 01:23:42 am
His answer was succinct, precise, and correct.

Really?  So the Constitution Party's platform will be:  "We're better than the Republicans"?

 :laugh:  Sheesh, you guys talk and talk but have no idea how to walk the political walk.

Good luck @roamer_1
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2018, 06:18:59 pm »
Leave me alone and I will get the job done.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2018, 06:22:01 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 04, 2018, 06:11:05 pm
Really?  So the Constitution Party's platform will be:  "We're better than the Republicans"?

Their platform is standing immovable upon that which the Republican party had discarded and abandoned for 'playing the politics of pragmatism' with Democrats.

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 04, 2018, 06:11:05 pm
Sheesh, you guys talk and talk but have no idea how to walk the political walk.

We have seen how the Republican party 'talks' and then 'walks'. 

It 'talks' Conservatism to get elected then WALKS with the Liberal Democrats to help them pass their agenda and keep it in place while telling their outraged base to 'shut-up, sit down, vote for whom we tell you to vote for or get the hell out of our party'.

So we obliged.  Your party just walks a little bit differently than the Marxist Democrats, but their destination will end up being in the same place.
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2018, 06:48:31 pm »
   You can put Trump lipstick on an elephant, but it's still the GOP, @Right_in_Virginia

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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2018, 06:54:40 pm »
Quote from: corbe on August 04, 2018, 06:48:31 pm
   You can put Trump lipstick on an elephant, but it's still the GOP, @Right_in_Virginia 

Whatever   :boring:
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Re: What Does It Mean To Be Conservative? (Erickson)
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2018, 11:28:26 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on August 04, 2018, 06:11:05 pm
Really?  So the Constitution Party's platform will be:  "We're better than the Republicans"?


Well, no, @Right_in_Virginia - their platform is right there at https://www.constitutionparty.com/

You should peruse the 'principles' tab, because there ain't a damn thing there that a Conservative would deny. And lo and behold, under the 'principles' tab, there's their platform, plain as day.

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:laugh:  Sheesh, you guys talk and talk but have no idea how to walk the political walk.


right. That's why I hung up my guns and went fishing this last season. And good riddance.
You can keep it.
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