The Numbers Are In And America's Businesses Broadly Support Trump's Tariffs

[Concerned]

In a country where an 'impossible' (rising) 4.1% GDP for the 2nd quarter only garners him a 50% approval rating, it's understandable that if there is an oversampling of democrats/never trumpers explains the poll you've cited, @Concerned

Of course, the poll I cited is the same exact poll cited in the OP that's been praised by some Trump supporters.

[INVAR]

Pot meet kettle.

Wake me when I have a nice cozy relationship with the government that destroys my competition while I fill their pockets with campaign contributions so as to condition the American people to buy only what I want them to buy.

Then we can talk about who supports fascism.

[Emjay]

As a matter of pure economics, tariffs are really bad but there are other things in play here and the president has no other tools at his disposal so I have to support him.

I've admitted before ... to great derision ... that I don't totally understand world economics, and apparently neither do all the big shot economists because they totally disagree on this issue.

On the fact of it, it seems only fair that the U.S. should be an equal player in world trade and Trump thinks tariffs are a good weapon to achieve this end. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Wake me when I have a nice cozy relationship with the government that destroys my competition while I fill their pockets with campaign contributions so as to condition the American people to buy only what I want them to buy.

Then we can talk about who supports fascism.

I couldn'wake you with a 21 gun salute.

Thread after thread you have to jump in with your same propogandizing,  boring moral absolutism.

You have to Lecture the whole gang to make sure they all know the true depths of your dissatisfaction, Regardless of the subject under discussion or your Lack of being anywhere Near up to speed on the particulars much less the actual POVs of the other posters.

Tactics worty of Goebbels

Fascism? Hell yes!

[DCPatriot]

I couldn'wake you with a 21 gun salute.

Thread after thread you have to jump in with your same propogandizing,  boring moral absolutism.

You have to Lecture the whole gang to make sure they all know the true depths of your dissatisfaction, Regardless of the subject under discussion or your Lack of being anywhere Near up to speed on the particulars much less the actual POVs of the other posters.

Tactics worty of Goebbels

Fascism? Hell yes!

QFT! 

[INVAR]

I couldn'wake you with a 21 gun salute.

Thread after thread you have to jump in with your same propogandizing,  boring moral absolutism.

You have to Lecture the whole gang to make sure they all know the true depths of your dissatisfaction, Regardless of the subject under discussion or your Lack of being anywhere Near up to speed on the particulars much less the actual POVs of the other posters.

Tactics worty of Goebbels

Fascism? Hell yes!

You have proven yourself absolutely no different than the rabid Godless Leftists that you pretend to oppose, complete with the same loathing of the principles and morality you have rejected for a man in office that you adore.

I find it enlightening the you equate "moral absolutism" with fascism, but when someone actually criticizes what fascism actually is - you ignore it and declare me the fascist.

Well, like I do rabid Leftists - okay.  Fine.

Now - what do you want to do about it?   Because I have zero intentions of stopping what annoys you.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

You have proven yourself absolutely no different than the rabid Godless Leftists that you pretend to oppose, complete with the same loathing of the principles and morality you have rejected for a man in office that you adore.

I find it enlightening the you equate "moral absolutism" with fascism, but when someone actually criticizes what fascism actually is - you ignore it and declare me the fascist.

Well, like I do rabid Leftists - okay.  Fine.

Now - what do you want to do about it?   Because I have zero intentions of stopping what annoys you.

So I've noticed.

I Could take it from the top and give you a Cliff Notes study guide, but Ye of the Almighty Sooper Sekret PLAN have already fessed up to your Plan, If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

IF, I was a Shrink

You were positively giddy, delighting in how Crazy you drove me, and then immediately paranoid enough to dive under the couch, accusing me of dog whistling the other brutish, stupid Trumsplicans here to call in a SWATTING Attack on you.

IF, I were a Shrink, I'd tag that as a textbook case of Bipolar Disorder.

Not with a 21 gun, make that 21 Five inch deck guns, salute.

I call you on presenting a baseless tantrum as an argument, and you respond by sticking your thumbs in your ears, waggling your fingers, and sticking out your tongue at me.

"I Won't and You can't Make Me. So There!"


BTW; anyone know what happened to member driftdiver? Or did he just decide he'd Finally Had his surfeit of Stupid,?

[DCPatriot]

BTW; anyone know what happened to member driftdiver? Or did he just decide he'd Finally Had his surfeit of Stupid,?

That's exactly what happened to @driftdiver ... he'd had enough of these 'conservative' jihadists who've infected our Party.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

That's exactly what happened to @driftdiver ... he'd had enough of these 'conservative' jihadists who've infected our Party.

Damn shame DC. I may not have always agreed with him but I Did find him to be worth trading IDEAs with.

[Fantom]

Trump = GOD!!!!!!

Well, if you mean god as in Great Ol' Days again...... yep.

[Fantom]

Then we can talk about who supports fascism.

I do not think you know what the term "Fascism" means.

[INVAR]

That's exactly what happened to @driftdiver ... he'd had enough of these 'conservative' jihadists who've infected our Party.

I'm not in 'your party' bub.  I took leave of it several years ago after serving it for over 30 with nothing to show for it but more liberalism pretending to be 'Conservative'.

Now if you simply want to silence everyone you disagree with, you know - use the government to silence us 'jihadists' - then why do you consider yourself any different than the rabid Leftists you pretend to oppose?

You are exactly alike.

[Fantom]

I'm not in 'your party' bub.  I took leave of it several years ago after serving it for over 30 with nothing to show for it but more liberalism pretending to be 'Conservative'.

Now if you simply want to silence everyone you disagree with, you know - use the government to silence us 'jihadists' - then why do you consider yourself any different than the rabid Leftists you pretend to oppose?

You are exactly alike.

Crap, now I have to agree with you.

[INVAR]

I do not think you know what the term "Fascism" means.

Pray tell what is the modern Trump-era definition of Fascism?

I guess it's no longer the marriage of government and business Benito Mafioso style?

I have to ask considering we've had to suffer the twisted logic to explain that the 1.4 trillion dollars in deficit spending was 'fiscal Conservatism' according to the Trump acolytes.

[endicom]

I guess it's no longer the marriage of government and business Benito Mafioso style?

That's the leftist view of Fascism. "Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." was Fascism. Business, like everything else, was to be subservient to the state.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

I'm not in 'your party' bub.  I took leave of it several years ago after serving it for over 30 with nothing to show for it but more liberalism pretending to be 'Conservative'.

Now if you simply want to silence everyone you disagree with, you know - use the government to silence us 'jihadists' - then why do you consider yourself any different than the rabid Leftists you pretend to oppose?

You are exactly alike.

Oh for Pete's sake.

You Still haven't brought Anything to the table but insufferable narcissistic condescension.

Nobody here is trying to "Shut You Up."

We would all like you to actually Say . . . . Something . . . . Anything . . . . that directly related to or touched upon the Subject instead of your wounded, misplaced Pride.

Where did you get the idea that anyone Gives a Flip about your never ending "I'm Better Than You because I have Principles and you Don't?"

If you HAVE anything to actually Say, Spit It Out!

And Try to park your defense mechanism pre-emptory insults Outside the comment box.

[Fantom]

Pray tell what is the modern Trump-era definition of Fascism?

I guess it's no longer the marriage of government and business Benito Mafioso style?

I have to ask considering we've had to suffer the twisted logic to explain that the 1.4 trillion dollars in deficit spending was 'fiscal Conservatism' according to the Trump acolytes.

Not sure what, with full respect, your twisted mind equates fascism too. But if deregulated , low tax burden is what your version of "TRUMP" fascism is. I'll take it...as will everyone else with a job in America. I can like that kind of "Nationalism".

Now I S'pose you could tie our Nation being put first, with "National Socialism" I.E. Fascism. But somehow you lose sight of the socialist/Government control aspect required for a fascist economy. As well as the ruthless suppression of dissent/opposition that fascism brings.

Like we see from the regressive neo-fascist left everyday here in America. On campuses... in the street. It is MAGA hat wearers suffering fascist abuse.

[Absalom]

Yes.  To punish Americans in order to force them into buying those things only the government approves of.
Otherwise known as Fascism.

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The Briefing Room describes itself as a discussion forum
who welcomes posters, subject to certain attitudes and
behaviors, which is very fair. As such, posters own their
opinions.
Were you acquainted w/the distinction between economics
and politics; your would understand that a tariff is a cost
imposed on a class of imports in order to equalize revenue
between markets; while fascism is an ideology of a political
system whose objective is control via a Dictator.

[Fantom]

That's the leftist view of Fascism. "Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." was Fascism. Business, like everything else, was to be subservient to the state.

That is the truth. Fascism is a national version of marxism. They are the same thing in reality... or sure on paper there is a printed difference. One was "international marxism"..I.E. Communism. The other was "National marxism"...I.E. fascism.

In reality they operate the same.

The "father of fascism" Benito Mussolini ....yes, I know the ideological father of Fascism..Giovanni Gentile birthed it like Marx/Engles did Communism..... but like Lenin... it was El Duce who made it so.

Anyways, fascism is an offshoot of marxism. Benito was a marxist editor before jumping to national marxism..I.E fascism.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Earnst Rhome, the leader of the S.A. AKA The Brownshirts was a labor/communist before he switched to National Marxism/Fascism and  led his militia into street battles with antifa/communist for Hitler. Like a brawl between the Crips and Bloods.

It truly is silly too compare such to tariffs/mercantilism. Particularly when such is done to lower tariffs/trade barriers ultimately.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Pray tell what is the modern Trump-era definition of Fascism?

I guess it's no longer the marriage of government and business Benito Mafioso style?

I have to ask considering we've had to suffer the twisted logic to explain that the 1.4 trillion dollars in deficit spending was 'fiscal Conservatism' according to the Trump acolytes.

I'm  taking it that you never read my link upthread that HALF of the US NAVY's planes are out of service.

Deficit spending? Who put them out of service? Why? Was it Trump?

When he signed the Porkulous he specifically stated we needed to fund our military.

IF, I'm making Any sense of your Principled Conniption Fit on this thread, I'm understanding that we should Continue allowing China to continue getting away with espionage in all 50 States, and demanding a piece of the pstent rights on everything our manufacturers produce there, . . . . Because Principled, Pure Economic THEORY is more important than our National Security because it's Free Trade.

When the hell did flat out Banditry become Trade?

[Frank Cannon]

I'm  taking it that you never read my link upthread that HALF of the US NAVY's planes are out of service.

Deficit spending? Who put them out of service? Why? Was it Trump?

When he signed the Porkulous he specifically stated we needed to fund our military.

IF, I'm making Any sense of your Principled Conniption Fit on this thread, I'm understanding that we should Continue allowing China to continue getting away with espionage in all 50 States, and demanding a piece of the pstent rights on everything our manufacturers produce there, . . . . Because Principled, Pure Economic THEORY is more important than our National Security because it's Free Trade.

When the hell did flat out Banditry become Trade?

I don't know why you let that get you bent out of shape. The small batch of dead enders wake up every day miserable and depressed because Donny is President. Just read their jive. That alone should make you sit back and chuckle at the diatribes.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

I don't know why you let that get you bent out of shape. The small batch of dead enders wake up every day miserable and depressed because Donny is President. Just read their jive. That alone should make you sit back and chuckle at the diatribes.

Nyeh heh heh heh.

[INVAR]

When he signed the Porkulous he specifically stated we needed to fund our military.

Trump signed a two-year 1.3 Trillion dollar military/Pentagon spending package on February 9th.

Then a month later he signed the porkulus that contained everything the Democrats wanted.

So spare me the bullshit that Trump had to sign porkulus to get the military spending he already Authorized on February 9th.  You're sounding just like the Democrats you pretend to oppose.

IF, I'm making Any sense of your Principled Conniption Fit on this thread, I'm understanding that we should Continue allowing China to continue getting away with espionage in all 50 States, and demanding a piece of the pstent rights on everything our manufacturers produce there, . . . . Because Principled, Pure Economic THEORY is more important than our National Security because it's Free Trade.

Well then, nuke them from orbit to assuage your disdain, in the 'you're with us or against us' universe that you people live in now that Populism is all the rage.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

OK A new F 15 in 1998 cost $29.9 M. A new F 35 today is between $60 to $100 M and a Gerald Ford class Carrier costs $12.8 Billion.

Now you can spare me the bullshit.

Over half the NAVY fighter jets don't fly. Parts don 't exist. That means contracts to retool and reproduce.

We had a 274 ship NAVY.

We were promised a 350 ship NAVY.

There goes just Part of that money.

Bullshit indeed.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@INVAR

The one point I have trouble with is since you are so ready to tell everyone that you're Not part of our Party, Bub, is why you're always here, since you're so much better than Us.

You go out of your way to Troll every thread you infest just to tell us We Don't matter because We're not conservatives at all, but You Are.

If We don't matter. Then why bother?

Are you really that hard up for a hobby?

There's cooking, home repair, gardening channels, . . . . Or maybe one of those clickbait escort services.

You know. "Attractive Asian girls seek romance with embittered old moralizing REAL conservative men"?