First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application

[Right_in_Virginia]

First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application
Powerline, Jul 21, 2018, John Hinderaker

Given that most of the application that Barack Obama’s Department of Justice submitted to the FISA court to obtain a surveillance order on Carter Page has been redacted, what we can say about the application is limited. Still, a few things stand out.

First, the FISA application expresses confidence that Page was an agent of the Russian government, and engaged in criminal activity:



But Page has never been charged with anything. Accordingly, the least we can say is that Obama’s FBI and DOJ were wrong.

Second, the application’s description of Christopher Steele and the provenance of his dossier was misleading at best:



The “identified U.S. person” is Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS. Source #1 is Christopher Steele. The DOJ’s statement that “the FBI speculates that the identified U.S person [Simpson] was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s [Trump’s] campaign” could only have been an intentional effort to deceive the FISA judge. The FBI was perfectly well aware that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Simpson through their lawyers, and the purpose of doing so was to attack candidate Donald Trump. References to “speculation” about “likely” motives are entirely dishonest.

Third ..

Read more: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/07/first-thoughts-on-the-carter-page-fisa-application.php

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mr. President, it is time to declassify this document.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

Congratulations to @JudicialWatch and @TomFitton on being successful in getting the Carter Page FISA documents. As usual they are ridiculously heavily redacted but confirm with little doubt that the Department of “Justice” and FBI misled the courts. Witch Hunt Rigged, a Scam!

3:28 AM - 22 Jul 2018 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020978929736265729?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

Looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the political gain of Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Ask her how that worked out - she did better with Crazy Bernie. Republicans must get tough now. An illegal Scam!

3:49 AM - 22 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020984152357777408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Right_in_Virginia]

Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

.@PeteHegseth on @FoxNews  “Source #1 was the (Fake) Dossier. Yes, the Dirty Dossier, paid for by Democrats as a hit piece against Trump, and looking for information that could discredit Candidate #1 Trump. Carter Page was just the foot to surveil the Trump campaign...” ILLEGAL!

5:56 AM - 22 Jul 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021016070134648833?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Cyber Liberty]

What I really want to know is the identity of the judge who signed off on the surveillance of Carter Page, based on such flimsy grounds. Some are speculating that he must be from Hawaii.

The article I saw in yesterday's Slimes was very helpful in that regard.  It ID'd all three Judges as "Republican appointees."  I didn't know HI has Republican Judges.

As this article states, a great deal of the applications was redacted.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The documents say the FBI investigation began based on information provided by the State Dept. Details are redacted. Documents also show the FBI had done nothing except clip some news articles and hearsay from Steele as the basis for the warrant.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The article I saw in yesterday's Slimes was very helpful in that regard.  It ID'd all three Judges as "Republican appointees."  I didn't know HI has Republican Judges.

As this article states, a great deal of the applications was redacted.

I don't see three Judges in the redacted documents @Cyber Liberty     But this version does show McCabe and Rosenstein's signatures along with the judge:  Raymond J. Dearie. Dearie was appointed to the FISA court by Chief Justice Roberts.  Interesting,  we see it was signed in June 2017, but for some reason the day is secret.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf

[Right_in_Virginia]

Here's a link to the NYT article from yesterday

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't see three Judges in the redacted documents @Cyber Liberty     But this version does show McCabe and Rosenstein's signatures along with the judge:  Raymond J. Dearie. Dearie was appointed to the FISA court by Chief Justice Roberts.  Interesting,  we see it was signed in June 2017, but for some reason the day is secret.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf

@Right_in_Virginia

I see that raving Moslem lunatic Brennan's name in that image you posted above.

[Cyber Liberty]

Here's a link to the NYT article from yesterday

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html

Thanks  for finding that article!  The part I mentioned, FTA:

The materials also revealed which Federal District Court judges signed off on the wiretapping of Mr. Page: Judges Rosemary Collyer, Michael Mosman, Anne C. Conway and Raymond J. Dearie. All were appointed by Republican presidents.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

I see that raving Moslem lunatic Brennan's name in that image you posted above.

No surprise. 

I just get lost in all the redaction .... I can't determine who's signing off on what.  For instance, what was Judge Dearie signing off on in Jun 2017?

Do we know from this the judge who signed the original warrant request?

@Cyber Liberty

[Cyber Liberty]

No surprise. 

I just get lost in all the redaction .... I can't who's signing off on what.  For instance, what was Judge Dearie signing off on in Jun 2017?

Do we know from this the judge who signed the original warrant request?

@Cyber Liberty

June, 2017 would have been a renewal application.  We probably won't find out for a while who signed the original, and that's a crime.  I don't see any reason to redact that.  We have the usual redaction game going on here...I suspect the redactions are more cases of bureaucrats burying their business in the kitty litter, and not protecting sources and methods.

[Frank Cannon]

Mr. President, it is time to declassify this document.

I agree. We have a bunch of Obama hacks signing off on on a bullshit warrant way before anyone was talking about Russians just so they could get their nose into an opponents campaign. It's proof of Obama corruption.

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree. We have a bunch of Obama hacks signing off on on a bullshit warrant way before anyone was talking about Russians just so they could get their nose into an opponents campaign. It's proof of Obama corruption.

The problem is, being FISA warrants, there are likely to be some bona fide descriptions of "sources and methods" in them.

[dfwgator]

 

[mystery-ak]

Carter Page downplays information in surveillance applications as 'spin'
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/398233-carter-page-downplays-surveillance-warrants-against-him-as-spin

[mystery-ak]

Graham: Warrant for Carter Page surveillance was 'a bunch of garbage'
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/398247-graham-warrant-for-carter-page-surveillance-was-a-bunch-of-garbage

[mystery-ak]

Marco Rubio: FBI did nothing wrong by spying on Carter Page
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/marco-rubio-fbi-did-nothing-wrong-by-spying-on-carter-page

[mystery-ak]

July 22, 2018
Ten problems with the release of the heavily redacted FISA warrants on Carter Page
By Thomas Lifson

It is a huge scandal that the vast, frightening surveillance powers of our intelligence agencies, normally forbidden from snooping on American citizens, were used to spy on a presidential campaign antagonistic to the sitting president. Far too slowly, the underlying documents that permitted this are coming to light. Last night, 412 pages of heavily redacted versions of the original FISA warrant and subsequent renewals used to spy on Carter Page

more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/ten_problems_with_the_release_of_the_heavily_redacted_fisa_warrants_on_carter_page.html

[dfwgator]

Marco Rubio: FBI did nothing wrong by spying on Carter Page
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/marco-rubio-fbi-did-nothing-wrong-by-spying-on-carter-page

Sounds like a guy who's compromised.

[Cyber Liberty]

Sounds like a guy who's compromised.

"What does James Comey, James Clapper and John Brennan have on Marco Rubio?"

[edpc]

I agree. We have a bunch of Obama hacks signing off on on a bullshit warrant way before anyone was talking about Russians just so they could get their nose into an opponents campaign. It's proof of Obama corruption.

] At least two of those renewals occurred while Mr. Trump was president and at least one was authorized by a Justice Department official he appointed. A person familiar with the matter said that four separate federal judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page, and all of those judges were appointed by Republican presidents.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/03/wsj-reports-four-separate-fisa-court-judges-approved-renewals-to-carter-page-surveillance/


Nope.

[Right_in_Virginia]

[Right_in_Virginia]

] At least two of those renewals occurred while Mr. Trump was president and at least one was authorized by a Justice Department official he appointed. A person familiar with the matter said that four separate federal judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page, and all of those judges were appointed by Republican presidents.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/03/wsj-reports-four-separate-fisa-court-judges-approved-renewals-to-carter-page-surveillance/ 

Odd... @edpc   If I were going to post a few words from this article, I would have chosen these:

It would be ‘almost’ impossible to have four separate engagements with the FISA court, and gain a different judge on each encounter.  It would be entirely impossible to have four separate judges if the original application and all three subsequent renewals went through the same district.  (There are only three judges in the DC district – making four separate judges impossible.)   Something is entirely fishy about this.

Either the WSJ source is incorrect, or the greater likelihood is the DOJ was strategically approaching a different FISA judge each time.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/03/wsj-reports-four-separate-fisa-court-judges-approved-renewals-to-carter-page-surveillance/

[Cyber Liberty]

] At least two of those renewals occurred while Mr. Trump was president and at least one was authorized by a Justice Department official he appointed. A person familiar with the matter said that four separate federal judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page, and all of those judges were appointed by Republican presidents.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/03/wsj-reports-four-separate-fisa-court-judges-approved-renewals-to-carter-page-surveillance/


Nope.

...because we all know that the Obama hacks were fired January 20, 2017.  Nice spin there.

[edpc]

...because we all know that the Obama hacks were fired January 20, 2017.  Nice spin there.

Judges approve the warrant, not the Intel people who submitted it.  Nice whiff.

[edpc]

Odd... @edpc   If I were going to post a few words from this article, I would have chosen these:

Of course you would.  The key is the WSJ material, which I would have directly posted, if it wasn't behind a paywall.  So, I took it from a source that wasn't Slate, Mother Jones, or some other leftist site.  Considering the WSJ has broken stories on this admin like the Cohen payout and those parties were subsequently caught in lie after lie, I'll take my chances with their unnamed source over the word of this administration or the hopeful musings of a glorified blog.

[Cyber Liberty]

Judges approve the warrant, not the Intel people who submitted it.  Nice whiff.

Whiff yourself.  Those were the same Judges as during Obastard's rein of terror.  Same judges, same Obastard bureaucrats.  Please, I'm already on to your worship of anything that can bring down the President you didn't want. It's why you have a shrine in your living room dedicated to Bob Mueller.

[edpc]

Whiff yourself.  Those were the same Judges as during Obastard's rein of terror.  Same judges, same Obastard bureaucrats.  Please, I'm already on to your worship of anything that can bring down the President you didn't want.

Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'

[dfwgator]

Again.....all Republican appointed.   

As if that makes a difference.

[Cyber Liberty]

Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'

We've established you call me shitty things, even when I've admitted I have been misled by published articles and said you were correct.  That makes you look about six inches tall.  What really leaves a lot to be desired is your inability to see that, and continue to bash people as "stupid." 

And as for your Crusade, that's really more your problem than mine for pointing it out to the world, you tit-<<Nope>>.  I merely informed you one time that you can go bash somebody else. 

I am sorry...you aren't six inches tall...you're a two-incher.

[edpc]

As if that makes a difference.

Keep that in mind as Kavanaugh and Gorsuch sit on SCOTUS after being elevated from Appeals Court positions appointed under Bush 43.

[GtHawk]

"What does James Comey, James Clapper and John Brennan have on Marco Rubio?"

maybe he and Barry partied together.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Of course you would.  The key is the WSJ material, which I would have directly posted, if it wasn't behind a paywall.  So, I took it from a source that wasn't Slate, Mother Jones, or some other leftist site.  Considering the WSJ has broken stories on this admin like the Cohen payout and those parties were subsequently caught in lie after lie, I'll take my chances with their unnamed source over the word of this administration or the hopeful musings of a glorified blog.

But you still missed the important part.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Again.....all Republican appointed.  Haven't we already established your secondhand legal acumen really sucks?  Besides, I thought you once whined like a preteen to keep you out of 'my crusade.'

What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?

[Cyber Liberty]

What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?

I've decided to not argue with Aholes who troll me, even when they're not losing an argument.  I'm sure his first-class legal acumen will proved him an excuse to deflect your request.

[INVAR]

We have a bunch of Obama hacks signing off on on a bullshit warrant way before anyone was talking about Russians just so they could get their nose into an opponents campaign. It's proof of Obama corruption.

SO????????

Not a damn thing is gonna be done about it, except to bitch, moan and whine via Twitter and on political boards like this.

We might as well fart in a hurricane wind gust for all the good it is gonna do.

Most of these Commie agents, saboteurs and a whole slew of cretins steeped in villainy we have not even heard of yet are embedded in lifelong career positions in the Alphabets to ensure this kind of thing is now the new normal when it comes to politics and elections.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I've decided to not argue with Aholes who troll me, even when they're not losing an argument.  I'm sure his first-class legal acumen will proved him an excuse to deflect your request.

Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.

[Cyber Liberty]

Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.

As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.

[Right_in_Virginia]

As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.

Then the judges, each of them, will have some 'splaining to do, too.

[XenaLee]

As one of the TeeVee commentators noted (McCarthy?), the Judges have a responsibility to not be rubber stamps.  Yes, the FBI is guilty of misleading the Judges to get the warrant and extensions, but the Judge has a responsibility to examine what's put in front of him/her.

I find it odd.... that none of the judges apparently wondered why the FBI had gone to different judges.  If nothing else, wouldn't the last/fourth judge have been curious about that?  Unless.....

[Cyber Liberty]

I find it odd.... that none of the judges apparently wondered why the FBI had gone to different judges.  If nothing else, wouldn't the last/fourth judge have been curious about that?  Unless.....

I really don't know about that.  It might be standard procedure to rotate the Judges.  Another case of my legal acumen getting in the way, I s'pose.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then the judges, each of them, will have some 'splaining to do, too.

This is a black eye for the entire FISA system.  The Judge relies on the honesty of the FBI, and the FBI relies on the Judge maintaining silence for national security.  The FBI deceived the Judges, so even a sharp judge would probably have fallen for it.  All the Judge maintaining silence has done was cover the FBI's rear end.

[edpc]

Good plan.

It just muddies the waters focusing on the judges ... as though a judge appointed by a republican can't be lied to.

I want all redactions removed so we can determine the degree of lying and omissions and suspect evidence in the requests for (4) FISA warrants.  And I want to know why four different judges were needed.

It’s inevitable they would have different judges. The FISA court rotates on a regular basis. Depending on when the next submission comes in, the same judges wouldn’t necessarily be in the rotation.  Judges serve for 77 days in their FISA duty and the warrants last for 90 days.

[edpc]

But you still missed the important part.

Not really. The WSJ article has a source, though anonymous. The treehouse article is just a WAG.  Turns out, the Journal was right.

What's the name of the judge who signed the original FISA warrant request?

Rosemary Collyer.  She was appointed by Bush 43 in Nov 2002.  Roberts appointed her to FISA in 2013.  You'll find her signature on pg 83.  The others were Raymond Dearie (Reagan), Anne Conway (Bush 41) and Michael Mosman (Bush 43). 

Four judges and not one of them named Contreras.  So much for this bullshit....

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/07/federal-fisa-judge-recuses-himself-from-michael-flynn-case/

[Victoria33]

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