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Democrats Don’t Fear Brett Kavanaugh. They Fear the Constitution.

David Harsanyi  July 13, 2018 / 76 Comments


Sure, some of the anger aimed at President Donald Trump’s nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court is partisan bluster meant to placate the activist base.

Still, most Democrats were going to get hysterical about any pick, because any conservative pick was going to take the Constitution far too literally for their liking.

For those who rely on the administrative state and coercion as a policy tool—forcing people to join political organizations, forcing them to support abortion, forcing them to subsidize socially progressive sacraments, forcing them to create products that undermine their faith, and so on—that’s a big problem.

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Don't kid yourself.   The right is just as "afraid of the Constitution" as the left, in the sense that both applaud judicial activism when it supports their priorities and decry it when it doesn't.   Heller was judicial activism just much as Roe was.
 
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Wow, upholding our 2nd amendment rights (Heller) is now judicial activism.

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District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee. It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated. Due to Washington, D.C.'s special status as a federal district, the decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment's protections are incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against the states,[2] which was addressed two years later by McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) in which it was found that they are. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[3]

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Wow, upholding our 2nd amendment rights (Heller) is now judicial activism.

Well, sure.   It was over 200 years since the Constitution was adopted before Heller concluded that the RKBA was an individual right, unconnected to deemed or actual service in a militia.   Heller's bedrock reasoning wasn't all that distant from Roe's:  the individual right derived from the natural right of self-defense of person and home.   Just as the right in Roe derived from natural rights of privacy and self-determination. 

To me, both decisions are reasonably within the framework of the Constitution, as conceived as a bulwark against government usurpation of natural rights of the individual without due process of law.   And both have been criticized as "judicial activism" for expanding the reach of the Constitution.  (Heck, Heller did more than just expand the reach of the Constitution, it did so by reading the predicate clause of the 2A out of it!)   

"Judicial activism" is a dog whistle, not a term with any real meaning (and certainly not with any legal meaning).     
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Wow, upholding our 2nd amendment rights (Heller) is now judicial activism.

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It is to someone who disapproves of yahoos waltzing around his town with unregistered weapons.  The Second Amendment is just words, meant to be subject to "reasonable"regulation until the words are meaningless.
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It is to someone who disapproves of yahoos waltzing around his town with unregistered weapons.  The Second Amendment is just words, meant to be subject to "reasonable"regulation until the words are meaningless.

See Heller.  The individual RKBA is subject to reasonable regulation.  Just like the abortion right is.   

Reasonable minds can differ whether registration of firearms is good public policy.  What is quite clear, however, is that such registration is likely Constitutional.  "Reasonable regulation" are not mere words that render the right meaningless.   There is a specific test - the so-called "undue burden" test.  A mere requirement that you register your gun does not present an "undue burden" on exercise of your right to individual self-defense.    Just as a requirement that a woman obtain an abortion within that window of time during which the fetus is not yet viable likely does not represent an undue burden on the abortion right.   
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@TomSea 

See what I mean?

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See Heller.  The individual RKBA is subject to reasonable regulation.  Just like the abortion right is.   

Reasonable minds can differ whether registration of firearms is good public policy.  What is quite clear, however, is that such registration is likely Constitutional.  "Reasonable regulation" are not mere words that render the right meaningless.   There is a specific test - the so-called "undue burden" test.  A mere requirement that you register your gun does not present an "undue burden" on exercise of your right to individual self-defense.    Just as a requirement that a woman obtain an abortion within that window of time during which the fetus is not yet viable likely does not represent an undue burden on the abortion right.

We are just hearing a soapbox speech because Heller which was referenced as Judicial activism is not about gun registration.

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@TomSea 

See what I mean?

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@Cyber Liberty amazing how someone can so consistently use the opinion of the minority on the Supreme court so wrongly and so often to try and justify their Liberal gun grabbing position.
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We are just hearing a soapbox speech because Heller which was referenced as Judicial activism is not about gun registration.

But someone here thinks that upholding the 2nd Amendment as was the case in Heller IS "judicial activism"...but that's because the black letter Constitution flies in the face of a certain person's liberal outlook on life.

And what our Liberal friend constantly refuses to mention is that what he is citing is the minority dissent in Heller not the majority opinion.
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My point, as noted in my original post, is that "judicial activism" is in the eyes of the beholder.  If the Court rules in a way you do not favor,  you'll scream "judicial activism".   What presents a challenge is to articulate a consistent philosophy of judging without regard to whether the outcome under a particular set of facts favors the right or the left. 

Allow me to expand on this re "judicial activism" and when it is appropriate or not.  It is prima facie inappropriate when the judge is ruling in accordance with his own policy preferences.   However, it is appropriate when the purpose is to respect and enforce the separation of powers articulated in the Constitution:

Put simply,  Congress passes laws,  the President and his agencies enforce them, and the Courts call balls and strikes.

"Judicial activism" is appropriate, for example, when the federal bureaucracy exceeds the authority given to it by Congress.

But Congress should, generally speaking,  be left alone to determine the laws as it sees fit.  That is why overturning ObamaCare on a technicality would have been the worst sort of judicial activism.   The solution to the ACA was and is political, not judicial.   

Where the Court can and should have greater leeway to be "activist" is when the issue involved due process.   An individual cannot be denied his or her rights without due process of law.   This sort of judicial activism was at work in both Roe and Heller.  Both can be defended on that basis.     
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. . .but that's because the black letter Constitution flies in the face of a certain person's liberal outlook on life.


Get real.  The "black letter" of the 2A includes the predicate clause - which the Heller opinion essentially read out of the Constitution.  The Heller decision was in my view correct.  But it sure as heck constituted judicial activism! 
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And what our Liberal friend constantly refuses to mention is that what he is citing is the minority dissent in Heller not the majority opinion.

Wrong.  Everything I've stated derives from the majority opinion.
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"Originalist", "Constructionist", "Constitutionist", if one wants to blame something, blame it on the intent of interpreting the Constitution per the original aims of the Founding Fathers.

Judge Scalia commented personally on the 2nd amendment, his thoughts, one can find those thoughts online.

Peter King described someone once as a "Carnival Barker", so perhaps, we are at that stage.

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Wrong.  Everything I've stated derives from the majority opinion.

Nope you have repeatedly in previous discussions where you've had your ass handed to you on this topic referred to the dissent in your defense...and when you do cite the majority opinion you get it tragically wrong.

You view everything through your Liberal gun grabbing world view where the 2A is concerned.

You wouldn't know how to be a Constitutional originalist or textualist if Adams and Hancock educated you on it themselves.
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Judge Scalia commented personally on the 2nd amendment, his thoughts, one can find those thoughts online.


@TomSea you're talking about someone (Jazz) who thinks Jefferson's "wall of separation" is an actual section in the Constitution too.
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