Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights

[Jazzhead]

I have done so in the past and will continue to do so. In view of the circumstances, I agreed with her decision to remain unwed and continue with the pregnancy, and she went into labor on my back steps.
The result was a wonderful great-granddaughter I love dearly.

Good for you, @Smokin Joe !   I'm sure she's the apple of your eye!

[TomSea]

@Jazzhead

You should try to persuade us that dismemberment and saline abortions are viable alternatives to life, since you are always preaching to others about persuading.

[roamer_1]

Yeah, I never understood that argument either.  If you don't provide food, water, shelter for anyone, they don't survive.  Does that make all of us pre-viable?

In effect, yes... Until we are post-viable...
And it ain't funny... The concept is there.

[musiclady]

@Jazzhead

You should try to persuade us that dismemberment and saline abortions are viable alternatives to life, since you are always preaching to others about persuading.

Hear!  Hear!

[roamer_1]

They just don't want to "punish a woman with a baby."

I don't know a single woman that considers her children to be anything but a blessing. The problem is that the child has to be born for a woman to figure that out.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No, we've already established that the fetus (which = baby in Latin) is an unique being of the human type, or a "human being".  They do tend to look a bit lumpy at first, but their humanity is undeniable. 

"Viability outside the womb" is the legal line in the sand ... the point at which the mother is (in a sense) held accountable for harming the life she is carrying, because it can survive without her.    Prior to the point of viability outside the womb the fetus is legally considered a clump of foreign cells living off the woman.

[Right_in_Virginia]

  LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are.

Actually @Sanguine these words are from the American Declaration of Independence (or Declaration of War) .... they are not a part of the US Constitution.

[Sanguine]

"Viability outside the womb" is the legal line in the sand ... the point at which the mother is (in a sense) held accountable for harming the life she is carrying, because it can survive without her.    Prior to the point of viability outside the womb the fetus is legally considered a clump of foreign cells living off the woman.

Oh, I don't know about "the" legal line in the sand.  Certainly some will argue so.  Some would argue that when they are old enough to make their own peanut butter sandwich they are "viable".  Perhaps a better argument might be when they are old enough to survive on their own.  Probably 9 or 10. 

However, none of that negates the idea that they are human beings.

[Sanguine]

Actually @Sanguine these words are from the American Declaration of Independence (or Declaration of War) .... they are not a part of the US Constitution.

That is correct, @Right_in_Virginia, as most of us have already noted. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Heartbeat begins at 4 weeks.  From then on it's a human being. 

I know this is a difficult subject, but the legal question is not one of the humanity --- but the viability of the fetus.  At four weeks the fetus cannot survive outside the woman's womb, even with its own heartbeat.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That is correct, @Right_in_Virginia, as most of us have already noted.

My sincerest apologies if you corrected yourself @Sanguine  and I missed that later post.

[roamer_1]

Actually @Sanguine these words are from the American Declaration of Independence (or Declaration of War) .... they are not a part of the US Constitution.

The US Constitution is beholden to the DoI, and every other commitment made prior to it's inception.

[Sanguine]

I know this is a difficult subject, but the legal question is not one of the humanity --- but the viability of the fetus.  At four weeks the fetus cannot survive outside the woman's womb, even with its own heartbeat.

No, it's not about viability.  It might be easier for the pro-abortion supporters to try to make it so.

[Sanguine]

My sincerest apologies if you corrected yourself @Sanguine  and I missed that later post.

No, I didn't need to correct myself.  Just you.

[Right_in_Virginia]

RiV is that you?

If you're going to try and get a laugh at my expense @txradioguy don't you think I should at least be in on the joke?

[Right_in_Virginia]

As you're always prone to utter:  "How does your post add anything of value to the discussion"

This entire debate is bullshit.

If it had been about NTs.....Nancy would have locked it days ago.

There is a new and curious pattern of locking threads where NT's can't carry their own weight.  I'm starting to wonder who the scout is reporting back to the Mods @DCPatriot     ^-^

[Cyber Liberty]

The US Constitution is beholden to the DoI, and every other commitment made prior to it's inception.

Everybody's always trying to Diss Jefferson.  Poor guy only got the $2 Bill.

[Right_in_Virginia]

As my wife and I have done.  And today, over 9 years later, we continue to raise that child as our own.

Very loving and admirable of you and your wife @thackney   ... And one lucky kid.

[Sanguine]

There is a new and curious pattern of locking threads where NT's can't carry their own weight.  I'm starting to wonder who the scout is reporting back to the Mods @DCPatriot     ^-^

You're on the wrong thread.  This isn't an NT/ET thread. 

[Mod5]

There is a new and curious pattern of locking threads where NT's can't carry their own weight.  I'm starting to wonder who the scout is reporting back to the Mods @DCPatriot     ^-^

Again, if you have a problem with the administration of the site, submit a MOD report. 

[roamer_1]

Everybody's always trying to Diss Jefferson.  Poor guy only got the $2 Bill.

That's right.

The very first breath of our nation defines what it is for. That is not redrawn by the Constitution, but rather, must edify it. Precedent and all.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The only way to argue the 'rightness' of abortion is to completely suspend reality.

I don't think anyone here is trying to argue the "rightness" of abortion.  Much of the discussion has been about the legality of abortion and how to determine that when Lady Justice must be blind to any particular race, gender or creed.

[Bigun]

Very loving and admirable of you and your wife @thackney   ... And one lucky kid.

So @thackney s is a lucky kid.  All the rest, complete with their individual DNA, are just unviable tissue masses.  Interesting reasoning there @Right_in_Virginia.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Again, if you have a problem with the administration of the site, submit a MOD report.

I've no problem with this @Mod5  --- and any other Mod.   Truth be told -- I find it rather entertaining.   

[DCPatriot]

There is a new and curious pattern of locking threads where NT's can't carry their own weight.  I'm starting to wonder who the scout is reporting back to the Mods @DCPatriot     ^-^

...a bleeping joke.