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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #200 on: July 01, 2018, 10:59:41 pm »
It says it right here in paragraph 2:


(a) Miranda, being a constitutional decision of this Court, may not
be in effect overruled by an Act of Congress.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/530/428/case.pdf
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #201 on: July 01, 2018, 11:00:59 pm »
And the "number count" makes a difference?   You suck at abortion promotion.

I’m not the one who started throwing number counts around sport.  Get your facts straight. 

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #202 on: July 01, 2018, 11:01:07 pm »
Millions of babies.  Hardly.  Significantly less than a million, and many unviable.

Is it your position that significantly fewer than one million abortions have occurred in the US since 1973?  Or are you arguing about the nature of the fetus by suggesting that out of tens of millions of abortions, significantly fewer than one million terminated babies?
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« Reply #203 on: July 01, 2018, 11:02:20 pm »
Show me where in the Constitution your opinion is given an weight at all.  Heck, even your vote only counts if your state says it does.

Nice dodge!  And, under our Constitution,   the congress and the president can overrule any court opinion ever rendered!
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« Reply #204 on: July 01, 2018, 11:02:53 pm »
It says it right here in paragraph 2:


(a) Miranda, being a constitutional decision of this Court, may not
be in effect overruled by an Act of Congress.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/530/428/case.pdf

Ahhh yes, more Bullshit from hoodat.  Try the first full paragraph on page 443 of the official report. 

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« Reply #205 on: July 01, 2018, 11:03:46 pm »
Nice dodge!  And, under our Constitution,   the congress and the president can overrule any court opinion ever rendered!

Really?   So why was it in Dickerson Congress was unable to overrule Miranda by statute?

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« Reply #206 on: July 01, 2018, 11:04:43 pm »
Is it your position that significantly fewer than one million abortions have occurred in the US since 1973?  Or are you arguing about the nature of the fetus by suggesting that out of tens of millions of abortions, significantly fewer than one million terminated babies?

To quote one of the gang:  does the count matter?

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #207 on: July 01, 2018, 11:07:35 pm »
To quote one of the gang:  does the count matter?

I'm just trying to understand your statement in 194.  Are you willing to clarify?
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« Reply #208 on: July 01, 2018, 11:08:40 pm »
I’m not the one who started throwing number counts around sport.  Get your facts straight.

And that matters ?    And you seem to be on the wrong side 24/7/365 lately.   
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« Reply #209 on: July 01, 2018, 11:09:09 pm »
Really?   So why was it in Dickerson Congress was unable to overrule Miranda by statute?

Because Lawyers in black robes have been allowed to color FAR outside the lines for a very long time.  THAT is the precise root of the problem!

Under the Constitution the congress writes law and the president signs them into law or not.  Courts have no dog in that hut period!

They can render opinions only.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #210 on: July 01, 2018, 11:09:37 pm »
I’m not the one who started throwing number counts around sport.  Get your facts straight.

Good grief, I was paraphrasing your post.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #211 on: July 01, 2018, 11:10:43 pm »
Ahhh yes, more Bullshit from hoodat.  Try the first full paragraph on page 443 of the official report.

So now you're calling Dickerson "bullshit"?  I quoted it verbatim.

btw, the entire decision is only 38 pages long.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #212 on: July 01, 2018, 11:13:45 pm »
Really?   So why was it in Dickerson Congress was unable to overrule Miranda by statute?

Again,


(a) Miranda, being a constitutional decision of this Court, may not
be in effect overruled by an Act of Congress.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #213 on: July 01, 2018, 11:23:05 pm »
Because Lawyers in black robes have been allowed to color FAR outside the lines for a very long time.  THAT is the precise root of the problem!

Under the Constitution the congress writes law and the president signs them into law or not.  Courts have no dog in that hut period!

The can render opinions only.

This man is 100% correct. The problem with the country is lawyers.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #214 on: July 01, 2018, 11:25:47 pm »
Keep it above the belt, gentlemen.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #215 on: July 01, 2018, 11:26:48 pm »
This is the reason I prefer no women in politics.

I know a few are conservative and worth a vote, and I would certainly pick up the banner for a Maggie Thatcher clone; however, they are so few and far between, it is not worth the risk of placing onto the Supreme Court, a lifetime appointment or voting them into office. which essentially turns into the same tenure.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #216 on: July 01, 2018, 11:27:02 pm »
What is it about a doctor’s sayso that can magically convert a murder into a good thing?

If abortion is murder, then it is murder regardless of whether some doctor says it’s medically necessary.

Your view, BTW, doesn’t respect the child as a child, but merely treats it as a punishment to be visited on a woman who has sex.

That is not my view that is the lefts view.  Exactly what Obama said while defending abortion.  He wouldn't want his daughter to be punished.  I never said I would choose abortion in any instance.  And based on some of the things a child would have to live with it would take a lot of prayer.  I said I wouldn't judge parents for heart wrenching decisions that they make when there is severe medical problems with a pregnancy.  Some don't even have heartbeats in the womb so instead of waiting for miscarriage which could cause hemorrhage they abort the already dead fetus.  There are severe medical issues like part of the brain and skull missing.    That decision  is between them and God.

That is very much different than the abortion industry of oops mistake.  Go to Planned Parenthood and get rid of it.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #217 on: July 01, 2018, 11:29:01 pm »
@Oceander

In the case you claim to have read, this paragraph summarizes your argument in part:


Whether or not we would agree with Miranda’s reasoning
and its resulting rule, were we addressing the issue in the
first instance, the principles of stare decisis weigh heavily
against overruling it now. .  .  .  While “ ‘stare decisis is
not an inexorable command,  .  .  . particularly when we are
interpreting the Constitution,  .  .  . “even
in constitutional cases, the doctrine carries such persuasive
force that we have always required a departure from
precedent to be supported by some ‘special justification.’ ”

Note how it describes stare decisis as a persuasive force, but not an inexorable command.  It also argues that a departure from it should be supported by some special justification.

With this case, there is no special justification, nor should there be since it was never a challenge to Miranda, but instead a case on whether Miranda could be overturned by Congressional action.  This is distinctly different from Roe, where medical advances more than suffice for special justification.

From a legal standpoint, Dickerson is an extremely poor choice for upholding the Constitutionality of Roe.  It smacks of desperation for someone with no other avenues.  As Justice Rehnquist stated:


No constitutional rule is immutable,
and the sort of refinements made by
such cases are merely a normal part
of constitutional law.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #218 on: July 01, 2018, 11:32:28 pm »

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #219 on: July 01, 2018, 11:34:03 pm »
  There are severe medical issues like part of the brain and skull missing.    That decision  is between them and God.

That is very much different than the abortion industry of oops mistake.  Go to Planned Parenthood and get rid of it.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #220 on: July 01, 2018, 11:35:50 pm »
Keep it above the belt, gentlemen.

Abortion is blood sport.  There is no belt.
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« Reply #221 on: July 01, 2018, 11:38:55 pm »
Some apparently can’t distinguish the weight to be given their opinions of what the Constitution means over what the duly constituted Court with that responsibility says it means. 

Let me give you a hint:  the Constitution doesn’t give a fig what your opinion is; it cares what the Supreme Court’s opinion is; that’s the purpose of the Court.
That is just complete and utter nonsense.

You actually believe the Constitution of the United States cares more about a few unelected judges rendering opinions than anything else?

If you believe that, then that is the most chilling statement I have read on these threads in a long time.  Or, maybe just babbling by an uninformed individual.

I was taught in grade school that the Constitution was about governance of this country and framed the entire document in such a way that ensured that the people of this country through its elected representatives would be able to manage the affairs of this country.  Judges were never intended to be as important in that management as you pretend they are.
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« Reply #222 on: July 01, 2018, 11:43:47 pm »
Abortion is blood sport.  There is no belt.

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