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@driftdiver said it best so I'll just quote him,

that "you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers.   pathetic"

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@driftdiver said it best so I'll just quote him,

that "you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers.   pathetic"

Actually, no one here is complaining about that.

Truth matters.
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Actually, no one here is complaining about that.

Truth matters.

Bull, you are bashing Trump over his statement that he wants to bring back the remains of our
Korean war dead. As a vet I think that is disgusting.

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It's still equivocation that leftists do all the time.

The words people say matter.   Not just their "hearts."

Nonsense.  Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.

If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse” am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?

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Nonsense.  Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.

If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse” am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?

Good analogy

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off to lunch alter all

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So if I put some cyanide in a delicious chocolate cake, it's insignificant because the cake is so good?


That wasn't "all I heard"... but just like I'd criticize President Obama for idiocy amongst positives, I'll criticize this POTUS.  I'm not a hypocrite.

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You're criticizing the President for trying to bring back our fallen soldiers.   thats all you're doing and its far beyond being a hypocrit
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Bull, you are bashing Trump over his statement that he wants to bring back the remains of our
Korean war dead. As a vet I think that is disgusting.

It could be disgusting if what you’re accusing me of were even remotely true.



But it’s not.
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Nonsense.  Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.

If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse” am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?

Oh, for heavens sake.

There’s no parallel there whatsoever.

All he had to do is convey the sentiment truthfully.

But he didn’t.  He made stuff up like he always does.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Oh, for heavens sake.

There’s no parallel there whatsoever.

All he had to do is convey the sentiment truthfully.

But he didn’t.  He made stuff up like he always does.

In this case he did convey the sentiment truthfully:  there are still American families that want the remains of their fallen sons and daughters returned to the US. 

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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals. I think George Washington would have a hard time passing the purity test around here.

But I’m encouraged by the position you’ve taken @Oceander:beer:  Substantive lies should always be called out. However this is not one of those.


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In this case he did convey the sentiment truthfully:  there are still American families that want the remains of their fallen sons and daughters returned to the US.

It would have been nice if he had conveyed a truthful and worthy sentiment without untrue embellishment, but we can agree to disagree that there is no problem with his trumpian version of what he presumably actually meant.
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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals.

I highly doubt you made similar complaints and arguments when Obama was criticized for equal bullshit flying out of his mouth during his reign.  Or Clinton for that matter.

Nearly all of American society has now come full circle with the Left by embracing intentions rather than substance.

Of course that is how we now choose our rulers.

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You're criticizing the President for trying to bring back our fallen soldiers.

No.  I'm criticizing him for lying.

Period.
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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals. I think George Washington would have a hard time passing the purity test around here.

But I’m encouraged by the position you’ve taken @Oceander:beer:  Substantive lies should always be called out. However this is not one of those.



On that I think we can agree.  :beer:

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   My Mother (a spry 85) never got her Brother Freddie's remains back from the Korean Police Action.
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No.  I'm criticizing him for lying.

Period.

Wow, so some president's get criticized for high unemployment, high gas prices, a failing economy, etc. etc. but you've got him on lying. That's going to leave a mark!

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Ah yes, the heart is in the right place, so the truth of the words don't matter.

How many times did the left say that about Obama?
Isn't that something like "Fake, but accurate" talking about National Guard memos? :shrug:

My dad was in Korea. We 'kids' are fortunate, indeed, to still have our parents to talk with, but their parents are gone now, one having lived past 100.
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Isn't that something like "Fake, but accurate" talking about National Guard memos? :shrug:

My dad was in Korea. We 'kids' are fortunate, indeed, to still have our parents to talk with, but their parents are gone now, one having lived past 100.

Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story.  Who could forget?

Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us.   His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.

I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this.  He didn't need to.  He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home."  NOT that their parents told him that.

Such an easy untruth to avoid.  And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story.  Who could forget?

Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us.   His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.

I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this.  He didn't need to.  He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home."  NOT that their parents told him that.

Such an easy untruth to avoid.  And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.
If he had just said "Families" instead of "parents", it would have been fine. :shrug:
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Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story.  Who could forget?

Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us.   His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.

I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this.  He didn't need to.  He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home."  NOT that their parents told him that.

Such an easy untruth to avoid.  And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.

By all means keep bashing Trump for trying to return the remains of our fallen in Korea, that is
surely a winning hand with Americans. /s

And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.

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By all means keep bashing Trump for trying to return the remains of our fallen in Korea, that is
surely a winning hand with Americans. /s

And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.
No one is attacking returning the remains of our servicemen to America.

But by all means, keep having shitfits when we point out egregious inaccuracies in what Trump says, inaccuracies which translate to falsehood. Because you just know what he means and ignore what he actually says. And you wonder how we can walk past the cheering section without a second glance?
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And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.

We know for a fact that is a lie.   ForeverTrump® not only makes a federal issue out of each and every syllable they feel disparages or slights Trump (even to the point of having a hissy-fit that we are not using the proper honorarium when addressing Trump), but they have also told us and explained in great emphatic urgency, that what we think directly hurts, sabotages, harms and will destroy the Trump Presidency, Conservatism and winning in general.  Notwithstanding the charge that we are committing treason by stupidity by aiding the Left in taking over the entire country and putting us under the DNC boot for our refusal to support the man with the incredible combover at 1600 Pennsylvania.
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Seems to me Trump gets "confused" a lot. 

Those of us who haven't boarded the Trump train have noticed that Trump brags a lot.  And most of his bragging consists of lies.  The pro-Trump crowd either hasn't noticed or have ready-made excuses for his behavior.

@Applewood I'll take ready made excuses for $200
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No one is attacking returning the remains of our servicemen to America.

But by all means, keep having shitfits when we point out egregious inaccuracies in what Trump says, inaccuracies which translate to falsehood. Because you just know what he means and ignore what he actually says. And you wonder how we can walk past the cheering section without a second glance?

@Smokin Joe

The leftist style group think that some on our side are now demanding of any and everyone is disturbing.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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