New York Time: Democrats and NeverTrumpers “Quietly Align” to Meet, Scheme Ways of Defeating Republi

[Mesaclone]

The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper.  Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.

I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.

Are you a Snipe Hunter, UFOlogist, or perhaps a Bigfoot researcher...if so, you will likely have more luck finding such quarry than you will have in locating an AlwaysTrumper.

Also, I’ve always wanted to ride a unicorn...have you spotted any of these recently. Pics?

[Hoodat]

I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.

lol

[Oceander]

I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.

Are you a Snipe Hunter, UFOlogist, or perhaps a Bigfoot researcher...if so, you will likely have more luck finding such quarry than you will have in locating an AlwaysTrumper.

Also, I’ve always wanted to ride a unicorn...have you spotted any of these recently. Pics?

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter


Done reseach into "the King Cyrus prophesies"??

Oh,well! THAT changes EVERYTHING!   You clearly represent the rational Anti-Trumpers that post here and elsewhere,no sarcasm implied or intended.

Do you also buy and sell magic beans?

No magic beans.  President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors.  I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election.  He really is a useless useful idiot to them.  They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role.  He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll. 

[sneakypete]

No magic beans.  President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors.  I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election.  He really is a useless useful idiot to them.  They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role.  He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll.

@Chosen Daughter

Un,huh. Who told you all this,your cult leader?

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter

Un,huh. Who told you all this,your cult leader?

I left the Evangelical cult.  They were more concerned with End Times than sharing the Word of God.

[Hoodat]

I left the Evangelical cult.  They were more concerned with End Times than sharing the Word of God.

Ah, you must be referring to the "Salvation is the Finish Line - not the Starting Line" crowd.

[Chosen Daughter]

Ah, you must be referring to the "Salvation is the Finish Line - not the Starting Line" crowd.

Right and it is a race leaving Jesus behind.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No magic beans.  President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors.  I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election.  He really is a useless useful idiot to them.  They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role.  He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll.

The King Cyrus reference came from Netanyahu .... why not take your displeasure up with him?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.

The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".

Direct hit!

I don't think every NT Republican citizen falls into the category of preferring elites, but it's pretty clear that's true of the GOP politician NT'ers.  They've all decided that being a member of the "club" is more important than substance.  Anti-republican to their core.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

   Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me!  (pretty please).....

I've never liked populism either.

The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win.  And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required.   They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly.  And so...we were losing.  Some of those politicians still would prefer that we lose on issues rather than win behind a cad.

Trump is the populist bull in the china shop, and clearly lacking in some areas.  However, in terms of ganging up on him or supporting him, I'm reminded of Lincoln's response to criticism of Grant:

"I can't spare this man -- he fights."

[INVAR]

No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.

So you need to Trumpsplain for Tom eh?  I guess you must make a living off of lying/spinning for a living.  Tom specifically said we sound like terrorists or the Taliban because WE SAY THE SAME THINGS:

Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.

So according to you and Tom, those of us who 'act so hostile' sound like Jihad terrorists, because we 'say the same things'.   So, if we dis Trump online - we sound just like Jihadists.

Gotcha. 

Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are.

I find the comparison adroit, striking, accurate and a perfect picture of how I view you people; all saluting in rigid fervor your leader - and outraged that some of us are "irrational and blind to reason" that we would dare refuse to salute.     So yes, for the record, I do view you rabid Trump berating fanatics as no different than the mobs who went berserk for Hitler.

Coming from someone who you say sounds like a Jihad Terrorist like the Taliban - I'm sure you'll understand.  My status as Enemy of the state notwithstanding.

If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - and I get told the same stupid shit because I reject all the stupid arguments that try to convince us that Climate Change is real and that we must accept the 'settled science' or I am demonstrating how absurd, uneducated and fanatical my own views are.

So I'm used to the accusation.  It means that I am on the right path of thinking and not joining the groupthink of wannabe Reichmasters.

[aligncare]

In the long game, I’m ATA, Always Trump Agenda. How he accomplishes that agenda is up to him. So far, where it’s possible, he’s been on track and winning most confrontations. I expect that trend should continue and, as he continues winning popular support, it will get even better.

Now, if some NeverTrumpers consider Donald Trump unworthy to occupy the White House, well, that’s between them and their conscience. That’s not gonna change my support for Donald Trump one iota.

[Hoodat]

In the long game, I’m ATA, Always Trump Agenda. How he accomplishes that agenda is up to him. So far, where it’s possible, he’s been on track and winning most confrontations. I expect that trend should continue and, as he continues winning popular support, it will get even better.

Now, if some NeverTrumpers consider Donald Trump unworthy to occupy the White House, well, that’s between them and their conscience. That’s not gonna change my support for Donald Trump one iota.

And here lies the problem.  The screaming logical fallacy here is this:   

(NOT) AT = NT

This premise is a lie.  It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today.  Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.

As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here,  I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it.  It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance. 

Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what.  Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically.  If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too?  Bah!

[Emjay]

lol

I can think of one who might fit the AT description but they are as rare as unicorns.

[roamer_1]

Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what.  Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically.  If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too?  Bah!

HEAR, HEAR!

[Emjay]

And here lies the problem.  The screaming logical fallacy here is this:   

(NOT) AT = NT

This premise is a lie.  It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today.  Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.

As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here,  I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it.  It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance. 

Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what.  Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically.  If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too?  Bah!

You have a somewhat skewed impression of an always Trumper.  I am an always Trumper in many ways.  I support his actions and agenda unless I can't.  And, so far, I can.

Though it is scorned by an odd group here, it IS relevant to compare Trump to Hillary.  To compare Trump to Obama.  To compare Trump to any democrat you can name.

And Trump always looks better to me.

[Emjay]

I've never liked populism either.

The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win.  And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required.   They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly.  And so...we were losing.  Some of those politicians still would prefer that we lose on issues rather than win behind a cad.

Trump is the populist bull in the china shop, and clearly lacking in some areas.  However, in terms of ganging up on him or supporting him, I'm reminded of Lincoln's response to criticism of Grant:

"I can't spare this man -- he fights."

Thanks @Maj. Bill Martin , you are exactly right.  I remember the Romney/Obama debates.  In the first debate, Romney had Obama on the ropes ... Obama was looking like the pansy socialist he is.  Then, unaccountably, Romney backed off with both feet.  I can't see Trump doing that.

[driftdiver]

And here lies the problem.  The screaming logical fallacy here is this:   

(NOT) AT = NT

This premise is a lie.  It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today.  Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.

As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here,  I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it.  It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance. 

Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what.  Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically.  If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too?  Bah!

@Hoodat
Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.

Irony, its not just for dinner anymore.

Yes I support this President and his administration.  He's not perfect but he's done many good things and is far far better then any alternative I've seen.

[INVAR]

The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win.

Disagree.  The GOP oligarchy and leadership kept feeding the public Rockerfeller/Establishment candidates they handpicked for national office that now, we can see were clearly nothing more than Big Government Democrats themselves.  Non-Populist Conservatism failed to rally because it was sabotaged by party leadership and few-to-none except talk radio hosts dared to articulate it out of fear of being labelled an extremist/racist/homophobe/Nativist etc.

And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required.

No. Those 'Leaders' more than demonstrated that they have the willingness and ability to fight nasty, dirty and relentlessly AGAINST actual Conservatives running for office in their party that they did not greenlight and groom.  It was the Democrats they refused to engage in the same tactics they used to defeat primary Conservative challengers, and when a Conservative won that they did not approve of - they sabotaged the candidate in the general election - some even going so far as to endorse and vote for the Democrat.

It has less to do with the fact they are not willing to fight in order to be seen as gentlemen, but rather WHOM they chose to fight and for WHAT they chose to fight

Hint: it wasn't Conservatism.

They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly. 

They would rather lose to a Democrat than win with a Conservative.  That much they have made perfectly clear.

[driftdiver]

Thanks @Maj. Bill Martin , you are exactly right.  I remember the Romney/Obama debates.  In the first debate, Romney had Obama on the ropes ... Obama was looking like the pansy socialist he is.  Then, unaccountably, Romney backed off with both feet.  I can't see Trump doing that.

@Emjay
IMO Romney backed off because he is a globalist.  And the globalist cabal wanted Obama.

[driftdiver]

Disagree.  The GOP oligarchy and leadership kept feeding the public Rockerfeller/Establishment candidates they handpicked for national office that now, we can see were clearly nothing more than Big Government Democrats themselves.  Non-Populist Conservatism failed to rally because it was sabotaged by party leadership and few-to-none except talk radio hosts dared to articulate it out of fear of being labelled an extremist/racist/homophobe/Nativist etc.

No. Those 'Leaders' more than demonstrated that they have the willingness and ability to fight nasty, dirty and relentlessly AGAINST actual Conservatives running for office in their party that they did not greenlight and groom.  It was the Democrats they refused to engage in the same tactics they used to defeat primary Conservative challengers, and when a Conservative won that they did not approve of - they sabotaged the candidate in the general election - some even going so far as to endorse and vote for the Democrat.

It has less to do with the fact they are not willing to fight in order to be seen as gentlemen, but rather WHOM they chose to fight and for WHAT they chose to fight

Hint: it wasn't Conservatism.

They would rather lose to a Democrat than win with a Conservative.  That much they have made perfectly clear.

Conservatives failed, and not just a little bit, no they failed miserably.  Too many conservatives think they can win using common sense and logic.   Then they attack anyone who disagrees with them.  Anything that hints at compromise  is denounced as it must be "pure" or it is evil and they'd rather lose then accept a partial win.

The leftists control the schools from Pre-K through PhD programs.   They control most of the courts, govt agencies and media.  With that they control public opinion.   

Meanwhile conservatives are stabbing each other in the back because they aren't pure enough.

[txradioguy]

lol

@Hoodat sad thing is he honestly believes that.

[txradioguy]

Yup:

Who said... well that would be in bad taste, let alone, if people are talking about what sounds like armed rebellion per that article in the editorial page, that is pretty radical.

They do play that game, who said this? One of the 20th centuries worst dictators or some politician?

That's rich coming from you since you have more than once in the past called for some kind of violence or "retribution" against anyone who didn't vote for Trump.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat
Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.

Uh, nope.  Never did that.  But thanks for playing.  We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you.  Tell him what he's won, Don.

Yes I support this President and his administration.

As do I.  But I will not support him when he does liberal things.  I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty.  Capisce?  You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes.  But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.