Surrendering To The Left In The Culture War For Trump: Was It Worth It?

[EasyAce]

By Jim Jamitis
https://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2018/05/03/surrendering-left-culture-war-trump-worth/

Most of the right has all but surrendered in the culture war under the specious claim that they are “fighting the left” when all they are really doing is ceding territory.

There are still pockets of resistance but the true Trump devotees are marching like Iraqi soldiers across the cultural desert with white flags and raised hands.

People of very low character in positions of authority is something I can’t abide. During the Clinton administration I was working in Washington and I was surrounded by by people who defended him, because many of them were exactly like him . . .

. . . The Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky scandal was the backdrop to much of this experience and it was instructive to see how the worst actors in my sphere were also the ones most likely to argue how his infidelity was no one’s business but his own and it didn’t affect his ability to lead and all the Democrat talking points that the Democrat media repeated ad nauseam back in those days.

In the age of Trump, those Democrat talking points have become Republican talking points because now the dishonest reprobate is a Republican. The high ground once defended by those who argued that character matters when it comes to choosing leaders has been forever abandoned. The right has embraced moral relativism with open arms and has done so with cheers of victory and celebration . . .

. . . Donald Trump is the legitimately elected POTUS. The Russian Collusion probe is politically motivated and not based on any serious evidence. Talk of impeachment is ridiculous because no high crimes or misdemeanors have to my knowledge been committed. Democrats and their media counterparts are not acting in good faith and haven’t been for decades. Hillary is a criminal shrew who only received the nomination because of her corrupt husband’s standing in the corrupt Democratic Party.

That said, Trump is still undeniably dishonest and has repeatedly demonstrated that very often his first instinct when cornered is to lie. He is also dangerously vain which makes him an easy target for Democrat chicanery. Knowing how Democrats try to exploit any possible weakness of a Republican President, Trump was the worst possible candidate for Republicans to pick in 2016. (Those who say he’s the only one who could have beaten Hillary and her lack luster campaign are woefully deluded.) . . .

[Frank Cannon]

LOL. More bullshit from a knuckle dragging retard who needs a big govt' mommy and daddy to tell them how to conduct their personal lives.

[INVAR]

The high ground once defended by those who argued that character matters when it comes to choosing leaders has been forever abandoned. The right has embraced moral relativism with open arms and has done so with cheers of victory and celebration . . .

a person who will lie to and cheat on his/her spouse is a person who will lie to you and me without the slightest hesitation or remorse.

...I can accept that our president is a dishonest, self-centered jerk. I don’t like it but there’s nothing I can do about it. What really bothers me is how so many are actually happy that he is that way.

Yup.

[Frank Cannon]

Yup.

By this guys reasoning the downfall of the country was started by Warren G Harding.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-warren-hardings-love-child-confirmed-dna-testing/story?id=33060408

[driftdiver]

And the NTs still do not offer up an alternative.....  waiting.....

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[skeeter]

And the NTs still do not offer up an alternative.....  waiting.....

No need. Bitching can be a way of life.

[INVAR]

And the NTs still do not offer up an alternative.....  waiting.....

How about a return to the core principles you have abandoned for political expediency?

Or is voting for a politician to the White House and berating everyone who does not genuflect his greatness your only solution?

[Frank Cannon]

How about a return to the core principles you have abandoned for political expediency?

Or is voting for a politician to the White House and berating everyone who does not genuflect his greatness your only solution?

LOL. You want core principles from a politician? How provincial. Does it also angry up your blood that kids aren't dancing the Fox Trot anymore?

[INVAR]

LOL. You want core principles from a politician? How provincial.

How about core principles being expected from the people who vote politicians into positions of power?

Because if not - then we might as well kiss the idea of liberty itself goodbye and be content to live under the same kind of bullshit morons and rulers they got in Europe.

Does it also angry up your blood that kids aren't dancing the Fox Trot anymore?

That kids have decided that their genitals are not what they really are and that we all must pretend they are what they imagine themselves to be is a bit more infuriating.  Especially since they got the government to help force us all to see them as they demand to be regarded, even if the plumbing is actually different than what it is.

[truth_seeker]

And the NTs still do not offer up an alternative.....  waiting.....

The "wisdom" I see by NTs is the delusion that they just need a little bit more virtue signaling.

And another delusion, that if only one of their preferred "true Christian constitutional conservatives" was nominated, all would have unfolded smoothly, with no attempted Coup by democrats (with some establishment Republicans perhaps)..

[Right_in_Virginia]

How about core principles being expected from the people who vote politicians into positions of power?   

I suspect you spend your nights on your knees praying for the destruction of America and its people you have come to despise --- a mini-Armageddon --- envisioning your glorious descent from the mountaintop to rebuild the nation in your image.

I pray for the success of the fighters, the ones engaged here and now in political hand-to-hand combat against the forces that want to destroy this nation.  I also pray there are more of "me" with hearts lifted toward heaven than there are "you".

[EasyAce]

Apparently, it is now, "You (Democrats) can't have a low-life in the White House. Only we (Republicans) can have a low-life in the White House! (And anyplace else in government we please.)"

[musiclady]

No need. Bitching can be a way of life.

As can requiring higher standards for conservatives, which is what we are doing.

If you, in fact, are not "bitching" that America's morality is in the sewer, then it behooves you to remember that not so long ago, Republicans stood for something, and now they don't.

[driftdiver]

So much self love here today you would think it was pornhub.

[driftdiver]

LOL. You want core principles from a politician? How provincial. Does it also angry up your blood that kids aren't dancing the Fox Trot anymore?

@Frank Cannon

I dont look to politicians for my values.  I look to them to get the govt out of the way.

[roamer_1]

As can requiring higher standards for conservatives, which is what we are doing.

If you, in fact, are not "bitching" that America's morality is in the sewer, then it behooves you to remember that not so long ago, Republicans stood for something, and now they don't.

That is RIGHT.
 

[Axeslinger]

I suspect you spend your nights on your knees praying for the destruction of America and its people you have come to despise --- a mini-Armageddon --- envisioning your glorious descent from the mountaintop to rebuild the nation in your image.

I pray for the success of the fighters, the ones engaged here and now in political hand-to-hand combat against the forces that want to destroy this nation.  I also pray there are more of "me" with hearts lifted toward heaven than there are "you".

@Right_in_Virginia

In truth, no, not at all.   We dread what is coming.  We just are aware that while you and your Nero are fiddling, the ashes are piling high.

By the way, care to answer the question yet?  Or are you still rolling on with the mindless sycophant routine?

[INVAR]

I suspect you spend your nights on your knees praying for the destruction of America and its people you have come to despise --- a mini-Armageddon --- envisioning your glorious descent from the mountaintop to rebuild the nation in your image.

I pray for the success of the fighters, the ones engaged here and now in political hand-to-hand combat against the forces that want to destroy this nation.  I also pray there are more of "me" with hearts lifted toward heaven than there are "you".

That's the same kind of bullshit response I get from Leftist morons on another board I'm at.  Almost word-for-word.

I'm surprised you did not accuse me of demanding a theocracy, but maybe tomorrow, no?

Amazing to note the seething visceral contempt you and the Left have in common towards someone who dares to suggest a return to core principles in selecting our rulers.

Congratulations, you have made up my mind that there truly is absolutely no difference in a Rabid Trump supporter and a rabid anti-God Leftist.  You are one and the same.

[roamer_1]

I suspect you spend your nights on your knees praying for the destruction of America and its people you have come to despise --- a mini-Armageddon --- envisioning your glorious descent from the mountaintop to rebuild the nation in your image.

@Right_in_Virginia

No doubt I cannot speak for @INVAR  (he is quite capable of that on his own) but most folks I know that are interested in national politics from a Christian perspective, pray for our nation to repent, and are fighting tooth and nail for that repentance.

You, it seems, prefer otherwise.

I pray for the success of the fighters, the ones engaged here and now in political hand-to-hand combat against the forces that want to destroy this nation.  I also pray there are more of "me" with hearts lifted toward heaven than there are "you".

Without principles to stand upon, your doom is sealed. The ground will fail beneath you, and you will find yourself fighting to become exactly the same thing as your 'enemy'.

[Axeslinger]

LOL. You want core principles from a politician? How provincial. Does it also angry up your blood that kids aren't dancing the Fox Trot anymore?

@Frank Cannon
You have exactly missed the point. No!  Most politicians are the dregs of humanity.   What we expect are for the voters who who have espoused values and principles their entire adult lives to actually hold fast to that and not abdicate all moral authority.  Principles either are or they are not.  You can’t waffle on them just this once because the end justifies the means.  What angers our blood is that so many of our countrymen have shown themselves to be no better than the politician they elected.

[Axeslinger]

No doubt I cannot speak for @INVAR  (he is quite capable of that on his own) but most folks I know that are interested in national politics from a Christian perspective, pray for our nation to repent, and are fighting tooth and nail for that repentance.

You, it seems, prefer otherwise.

Without principles to stand upon, your doom is sealed. The ground will fail beneath you, and you will find yourself fighting to become exactly the same thing as your 'enemy'.

You can’t use words that big with @Right_in_Virginia .

Phrased another way:

Without principles what will that nation you are trying to save look like? 

[roamer_1]

You can’t use words that big with @Right_in_Virginia .

Phrased another way:

Without principles what will that nation you are trying to save look like?

Precisely right - Without principles, what are you fighting *FOR*?
 

[DCPatriot]

And the NTs still do not offer up an alternative.....  waiting.....

Oh??  You've not heard??

They've been reduced to posting sunrise and sunset pictures.


....to assuage their collective guilt, no doubt.

[Axeslinger]

Oh??  You've not heard??

They've been reduced to posting sunrise and sunset pictures.


....to assuage their collective guilt, no doubt.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, pumpkin.

[INVAR]

Without principles to stand upon, your doom is sealed. The ground will fail beneath you, and you will find yourself fighting to become exactly the same thing as your 'enemy'.

They have fully deceived themselves into believing the lie that they are locked in some kind of political struggle against the forces that want to destroy the nation.   All they continue to illustrate is that they have joined forces with the very spirit and core of what animates the Democrat Marxists to begin with: a contempt for the principles that make liberty possible in favor of a man or the state;  the loathing of those they accuse of 'virtue signaling' for daring to suggest moral and foundational principles be extolled from the people who vote politicians into positions of power.

They hate that idea as much as the Godless Marxists do.   

And just like the Godless Marxists, they see this "struggle" as simply a political battle for powers' sake.  Which is why we are hated by the Left and Trump supporters alike.  I mean, how dare we place our allegiance in those things that both sides hold in contempt and consider an evil?

Precisely right - Without principles, what are you fighting *FOR*?

They *fight* for a man and/or a party that they have let themselves believe is their savior.

Screw principles they tell us - they lose elections.

So... they are really no different than the Left except in whom they place all their hopes and desires for salvation and provision.