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Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« on: March 30, 2018, 03:50:12 pm »
Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
 
Michael Barone  |  Posted: Mar 30, 2018 12:01 AM

Some days, the Republican Party seems on the verge of splitting up. Its congressional majorities couldn't produce a health care bill and passed an omnibus spending bill its president regretted signing. Prominent never-Trumpers call for the creation of a new political party. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who carried seven counties outside his home state in the 2016 Republican primaries, hints at a 2020 independent candidacy.

In special elections, Republican candidates fail to win percentages above President Donald Trump's approval ratings, which nationally is at 42 percent. That makes Republicans fear and Democrats hope that Democrats will capture the House of Representatives in November.

Away from the limelight, Democrats have their schisms, too. Bernie Sanders types bristle as Washington campaign committees tilt against outspoken anti-Trump primary candidates. Economic-redistributionist Democrats are complaining that identity-politics Democrats are hurting the party's chances.

But the talk of the parties going away or being replaced is overstated, and not just because institutional factors -- the Electoral College, single-member congressional and legislative districts -- tend to boil down voters' choices to two parties.

Something more fundamental is at work here. Consider the fact that our two major American parties are the oldest and third-oldest in the world. The Democratic Party was formed in 1832, to secure Andrew Jackson's renomination and re-election, and the Republican Party came about in 1854, to prevent the spread of slavery into the territories.

They've existed for 186 and 164 years, respectively. Not counting churches, that's longer than almost any other nongovernmental institution -- longer than most businesses, volunteer organizations and local governments.

Over the years, they've changed positions on issues. For example, the Republicans were originally for high tariffs, the Democrats for free trade. For the past half-century, it's mostly been the other way around.

And the Republicans were originally the big-government party -- think Reconstruction in the South, railroad subsidies and passing the first billion-dollar budget -- but since the New Deal, it's been Republicans (sometimes) bucking the big-government trend.

Yet over the long haul, the character of each party's electoral coalition has remained the same. The Republicans are formed around a core of people considered, by themselves and others, as typical Americans but who are never a majority -- Northern Protestants in the 19th century, white married people now.

The Democrats have been a coalition of disparate groups seen as being somehow atypical Americans -- white Southerners and Catholic immigrants in the 19th century, churchgoing blacks and highly educated gentry liberals now. They're often at odds, but when they've stayed together, they've formed vigorous majorities.

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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 05:23:19 pm »
Democrats and Republicans agree on one thing.  There should only be 2 major parties. 3rd parties tend to focus around a charismatic leader.  When that leader goes so does the 3rd party.  If the 3rd party becomes popular on the basis of an idea, that idea is co-opted by one or both major parties.  Campaign finance laws make it nearly impossible for 3rd parties to get any traction.

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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 05:28:15 pm »
Oh, I'm sure there are still plenty of fools out there who still think they have to choose from 2 parties.  So I guess both parties will go on. 

But they will do so without this voter. 

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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 05:48:57 pm »
...hmmm...  I noticed that the article was written by Michael Barone.  I wonder if he's any relationship to Ray Barone?   :whistle:
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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 06:11:15 pm »
The Republican Party is Whig'in out...

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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 09:04:44 pm »
That's too bad.

"Time-tested" garbage, maybe.

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Re: Our Time-Tested Parties Aren't About to Fall Apart
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 10:05:03 pm »
Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who carried seven counties outside his home state in the 2016 Republican primaries, hints at a 2020 independent candidacy.

If the liberal Pubs like Kasich stay in the party and control it then I'm out. If they leave the party I'm in. I spent way too many years supporting the Pub party to only see the liberals in the party support bigger govt and the destruction of our Judeo-Christian foundation. As far as I'm concerned they really aren't all that different than the socialist Rat party.
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