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I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« on: March 26, 2018, 02:48:43 pm »

I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You
Kurt Schlichter
3/26/2018 12:01:00 AM -

Remember the Kobayashi Maru scene in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan? Sometimes, you end up with no good options. Donald Trump just had that happen to him with the omnibus abomination, though don’t be fooled by the passive voice – he deserves some blame for letting it come to this. The absolutely essential military spending was wrapped in a fat suit of glistening, rancid pork, and the congressional rats had already abandoned ship and fled out of town when it was dumped on his desk. So he had a stark choice. Trump could sign it, and enrage his base but ensure our military could prepare for the wars looming on the horizon. Or he could veto it, and launch a government shutdown with about 0% of succeeding in getting a significantly better deal.

Trump chose the least worst of two bad options, and I, for one, refuse to lose my Schiff over it.

This was a last minute congressional jam-down of a swamp-generated monstrosity, and Trump deserves a slice of the blame for not seeing it coming. He evidently failed to ensure that his priorities and preferences were included as this sausage was being made, and suddenly the whole thing dropped on him (and us) seemingly out of nowhere and became a thing overnight. Except it wasn’t overnight. This train had been coming down the tracks for three months; the Congressional weasels succeeded in sneaking it in right before they ditched town. Trump is liable for letting himself be put in that position, but the GOP leadership is responsible for putting him there.

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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 02:56:33 pm »
The Orange runs deep in that boy
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 03:00:27 pm »
Yes, Kurt "Orangeman" Schlichter.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 03:04:17 pm »
So many sycophants, so little time for honesty.

Obama has his, so it is only fitting that Trump has his own 'he-can-do-no-wrong-it's-not-his-fault' worshipping hordes of sycophants.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 03:13:44 pm »
Schlichter is right in saying there were no good choices. A veto would have been just a delay and a follow-up bill might have been made worse, just for spite.

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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 03:15:42 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on March 26, 2018, 02:56:33 pm
The Orange runs deep in that boy

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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 03:43:34 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on March 26, 2018, 03:04:17 pm
So many sycophants, so little time for honesty.

Obama has his, so it is only fitting that Trump has his own 'he-can-do-no-wrong-it's-not-his-fault' worshipping hordes of sycophants.

 We are a tribal species by nature. And  to some, political parties have become their tribe, and candidates they support have become the chiefs of their tribe. These tribes and leaders must be defended against all enemies which means the opposing party. I have relatives that were quiet on everything Obama did as president yet are screaming over some of the things that Trump does,  mainly deficits and debt. When it’s pointed out to them their hypocrisy, they try to explain how it’s “different”
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 03:47:56 pm »
Quote from: endicom on March 26, 2018, 03:13:44 pm
Schlichter is right in saying there were no good choices. A veto would have been just a delay and a follow-up bill might have been made worse, just for spite.

So what happened to this supposed 'great deal-maker', 'outsider' and 'only person who could get Congress to work for the American people for a change' all y'all insisted was the reason we all had to vote for Trump, or else?

Looks to me like you just admitted that was all bullshit, because Trump wasn't going to be able to do any of those things you people said he was going to do, by the mere virtue of his presence in the white house and the strength of his breath.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 03:50:33 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on March 26, 2018, 03:47:56 pm
So what happened to this supposed 'great deal-maker', 'outsider' and 'only person who could get Congress to work for the American people for a change' all y'all insisted was the reason we all had to vote for Trump, or else?

Looks to me like you just admitted that was all bullshit, because Trump wasn't going to be able to do any of those things you people said he was going to do, by the mere virtue of his presence in the white house and the strength of his breath.


You loaded that like Congress loads pork to bills. Your rant is all bullshit.

Stick to the issue.


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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 03:51:08 pm »
Quote from: endicom on March 26, 2018, 03:13:44 pm
Schlichter is right in saying there were no good choices. A veto would have been just a delay and a follow-up bill might have been made worse, just for spite.

Dunno about good, but a better choice would have been to send the bill back to Congress and tell them what needed to happen for him to sign it.  They might have overcome the veto, but it would have meant the whole abomination would be on them, and it would have made it clear what the president expects of them and, maybe most importantly, that he will fight and not give in and whine and sign.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 03:57:03 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 26, 2018, 03:51:08 pm
Dunno about good, but a better choice would have been to send the bill back to Congress and tell them what needed to happen for him to sign it.  They might have overcome the veto, but it would have meant the whole abomination would be on them, and it would have made it clear what the president expects of them and, maybe most importantly, that he will fight and not give in and whine and sign.

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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2018, 04:22:28 pm »
Yes, one of my friends squawked about this omnibus, he's also one of the first to complain about America's military needing to be modernized and powerful.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2018, 04:24:26 pm »
Quote from: endicom on March 26, 2018, 03:50:33 pm

You loaded that like Congress loads pork to bills. Your rant is all bullshit.

Stick to the issue.

Excuse you, but it was INSISTED upon by the supporters for Trump - that he was going to negotiate great deals, stop Congress from ripping us off and to drain the swamp.

That fiasco he signed Friday simply provides more of the SAME EXACT BULLSHIT that Trump's acolytes promised us he was going to stop - merely by his skills and magnificence as a business leader. 

We already know that the Republican and Democrats in Congress loaded up the bill to spend us into further oblivion to strengthen and enlarge the Obama Leftist Agenda which is now permanent.  That Trump signed into 'law' that monstrosity, that was crafted in secret and voted on without anyone having time to read and digest it,  was something Trumps fans insisted would not happen with Trump - is exactly the issue.

Schlicker offers that Trump took the 'lesser evil option' and that he was not going to lose his mind over the fact that Trump just betrayed his supporters over another key campaign promise.  To insist as Schlicker does that the GOP leadership is to blame for putting Trump in the position to sign it - is absurd on it's face.  Trump put himself in that position.  He obviously cannot handle the affairs in his own party - and yet we continue to be told he can manage the affairs of a country in chaos.

Someone that supposedly can make superhuman and divine 'deals' and get his way with the 'Art of the Deal' - should be blameless because it is the GOP leadership that dumped a Democrat Trillions of dollars Spendaholic Bill in his lap at the last moment and put Trump in that 'bad position'? 

If Trump was this great deal-maker, how did he let himself get put into that position to begin with?  Was he too busy playing golf?  Too busy tweeting?  Is he even involved with this Presidency at all outside of having his staff figure how to run his office? 

If perception is reality - either Trump is governing as the NYC Leftist Democrat we said he was - or he is totally absent from the job outside of creating chaos and controversy.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2018, 04:28:39 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on March 26, 2018, 02:48:43 pm
The absolutely essential military spending was wrapped in a fat suit of glistening, rancid pork, and the congressional rats had already abandoned ship and fled out of town when it was dumped on his desk. So he had a stark choice. Trump could sign it, and enrage his base but ensure our military could prepare for the wars looming on the horizon. Or he could veto it, and launch a government shutdown with about 0% of succeeding in getting a significantly better deal.

Trump chose the least worst of two bad options, and I, for one, refuse to lose my Schiff over it.


Trump is, shockingly, the most responsible actor in this whole fiasco.   For once,  he chose not to sow additional chaos, for the sake of our fighting men.   

The system needs fixing; these omnibus bills are tar babies for pork and cronyism.   But that doesn't mean that Trump failed to make the right call.   He stuck his neck out politically for a cause greater than himself.   I applaud him for it.   
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2018, 04:33:59 pm »
The military expenditure is $615 billion, $650 billion, something like this, so that is already about half of the $1.3 trillion if my math is correct. Sure, I don't approve of this bill, unfortunately, sometimes deal-making needs to be done.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2018, 04:37:26 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 26, 2018, 04:28:39 pm
Trump is, shockingly, the most responsible actor in this whole fiasco.   For once,  he chose not to sow additional chaos, for the sake of our fighting men.   

The system needs fixing; these omnibus bills are tar babies for pork and cronyism.   But that doesn't mean that Trump failed to make the right call.   He stuck his neck out politically for a cause greater than himself.   I applaud him for it.   

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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2018, 04:39:02 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 26, 2018, 04:28:39 pm
Trump is, shockingly, the most responsible actor in this whole fiasco.   For once,  he chose not to sow additional chaos, for the sake of our fighting men.   

The system needs fixing; these omnibus bills are tar babies for pork and cronyism.   But that doesn't mean that Trump failed to make the right call.   He stuck his neck out politically for a cause greater than himself.   I applaud him for it.   

Oh Please.  Tell me those are the pain killers talking!
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2018, 04:48:17 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on March 26, 2018, 04:39:02 pm
Oh Please.  Tell me those are the pain killers talking!

No, that's just the disease of a cult of personality or a Liberal Communist mindset talking.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2018, 04:49:23 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on March 26, 2018, 04:33:59 pm
The military expenditure is $615 billion, $650 billion, something like this, so that is already about half of the $1.3 trillion if my math is correct. Sure, I don't approve of this bill, unfortunately, sometimes deal-making needs to be done.

Trump ALREADY SIGNED TWO 700 Billion Dollar-PLUS budget spending bills for the military on February 9th.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2018, 05:03:49 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on March 26, 2018, 04:39:02 pm
Oh Please.  Tell me those are the pain killers talking!

Nope, I'm mostly off the painkillers now.  Just tottering around in a leg brace.  I'm even back at work!   :cool:
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2018, 05:04:56 pm »
How much does it cost a day or the whole Iraq conflict since 2003? Oh well, I don't think some people will mention that. The truth is, I'm not one of them, there are taxpayers who will say, "well, why should I pay for that?" or the number of bases the US has around the world, if one really wants to cut back.  How much do those cost?
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2018, 05:08:06 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 26, 2018, 05:03:49 pm
Nope, I'm mostly off the painkillers now.  Just tottering around in a leg brace.  I'm even back at work!   :cool:

@Jazzhead   Nice.   :beer:    BTW...
How long till you are back to whatever us 60+ year olds call 100%.   I'm only asking for a friend who is waiting patiently  for your full recovery.  :smokin:
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2018, 05:32:48 pm »
Interesting framing element the author uses- usually a tactic of the left.

Those who object to the spending bill or are angry at trump have 'lost their minds' while he frames himself as the rational one. He doesn't acknowledge the sincere position of those who are angry, instead, he paints them as irrational.

Alinsky tactics again being used by our (sic) side.
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Re: I Refuse to Lose My Mind Over the Omnibus Fiasco, and So Should You Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2018, 05:38:24 pm »
Remember, Kurt Schlichter got paid for this column.

He's not trying to make a valid point. What he's really doing is trolling for eyeballs and ad revenue. So, for that, the more obnoxious and obstinate he can be, the better.
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2018, 05:40:00 pm »
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Remember, Kurt Schlichter got paid for this column.

He's not trying to make a valid point. What he's really doing is trolling for eyeballs and ad revenue. So, for that, the more obnoxious and obstinate he can be, the better.

Yes, your cynicism is probably justified in this case.  :laugh:
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