Trump 'outpacing Reagan' in conservative accomplishments

[Emjay]

Really? 

Point me to any posts where I called Trump fans mentally incompetent, traitors, enemies of the state, stupid or any of the myriad of labels I've been called -- all because I don't support Trump. 

I'll wait. 

On the other hand, Trump fans have called me all of the above and worse.  In one forum (not here) my life was threatened.

So tell me again, who is mean spirited?  Trump fans or non-supporters?

Actually, both.  But I give the edge to the non-supporters here.  Just my take.

[Emjay]

Is anybody else enjoying this mental unraveling as much as I am? I just asked my husband to open a bottle of Pinot.

What is to enjoy?

Trump is our President and will be for 3 years at least.  He is far better than I expected him to be and light years better than any democrat would be.

So, I repeat,, what is to enjoy about the oh-so-easy Trump bashing?

Is that going to help our country in some way?

[edpc]

As far as tariffs go, nobody but trade wonks really know how they work.

But I like the things cited that Trump has done.

Fine, but if you were making a list of things to hail, wouldn't tax cuts be first?

[txradioguy]

As far as tariffs go, nobody but trade wonks really know how they work.

Actually we have history...both recent and distant...to show how badly tariffs and trade wars work out for everyone involved.

[Emjay]

I'll also add that in regard to Reagan, the same Wikipedia article cites a source claiming Reagan actually achieved 60% of that much longer Mandate in his first year, not the 49% claimed here. That, with a Democratic House of Representatives, and remnants of the Warren Court still in charge of SCOTUS.

Trump has in fact accomplished less in real terms, and about the same in relative terms, with a more favorable environment.

That's really apples and oranges.  We were lucky to have one Reagan.  There may not be another one in our future..

I'm not sure why you think Trump has a more favorable environment.  He doesn't have the full support of Congress.  He has too many Obama appointed judges to over-rule many of the things he tries to do and he has the most vicious press that I've seen in my lifetime.

In view of that, I would give him kudos without the Reagan comparison.

[INVAR]

So, I repeat,, what is to enjoy about the oh-so-easy Trump bashing?

We're amusing ourselves watching the Trumplicans twist themselves into bizarre contortions of logic over everything disastrous Trump says and does so as to act as Apologists for their prince.

It's like watching a circus act and seeing someone actually shove their head up their hindquarters.

[truth_seeker]

"What We Have Here, is a Failure to Communicate."

He said he would put Americans first. He said he would negotiate better trade arrangements.

Why should I consider the objections of a house full of people that are adamantly against him?

Most of you are proud you didn't vote for him, and adamant to do so again.

[XenaLee]

Actually we have history...both recent and distant...to show how badly tariffs and trade wars work out for everyone involved.

And most recently, the Bush '03 tariffs that had to be rescinded ....they were so bad for the economy.  I don't know why the pro-Trumpers would think "Trump's tariffs" would magically be good for the economy now.  Just because it's Trump imposing them???  It's nuts.

[Emjay]

In the end, it's academic,

Beating ISIS
Jump starting the economy
Jobs,

These and a few other items are what are important, is it important Trump for instance, signed some EOs to give back religious freedoms? Heck yeah. That's what I want.

@TomSea I know I've called you various names but it is an interesting day on TBR when you make the most intelligent post of the day.

Congrats.

[RoosGirl]

"What We Have Here, is a Failure to Communicate."

He said he would put Americans first. He said he would negotiate better trade arrangements.

Why should I consider the objections of a house full of people that are adamantly against him?

Most of you are proud you didn't vote for him, and adamant to do so again.

Why should you consider the objections of a house full of people that are adamantly against him?  Because of the reasons that house full of people have for being adamantly against him.

[WingNot]

If TBR is a “s-hole,” why are you here? Follow up question: Is TBR a “s-hole” because you’re here?
Final thought: Where the hell are @Frank Cannon and @Wingnut during this beautiful meltdown? They love a good meltdown and you, darling, are making the wicked witch look like an amateur.

@goodwithagun
Sometimes I like to watch the train wreck and not be the engineer.   

Oh and that statuette for INVARS award is not becoming of his achievement.

I thought this would be more apropos.

The Flying Fickle Finger Of Fate Award

[Concerned]

And most recently, the Bush '03 tariffs that had to be rescinded ....they were so bad for the economy.  I don't know why the pro-Trumpers would think "Trump's tariffs" would magically be good for the economy now.  Just because it's Trump imposing them???  It's nuts.

And the Bush steel tariffs weren't even able to prevent the continued decline in US steel production or employment:

In the U.S., steel-industry production and employment has continued to decline, according to data provided by the American Iron and Steel Institute and the International Iron and Steel Institute. The international body's reports indicate that U.S. production was down 6.7% between October 2002 and October 2003, despite the increased tariffs. (See: "Ineffective Steel Tariffs Now Illegal, Too." ) It's all part of a long-term decline.

Why Trump (or his supporters) would think a trade war is good and "easy to win" defies both history and logic IMO.

https://www.forbes.com/2003/12/05/cx_da_1205topnews.html#4fa6c4392ab1

[Emjay]

Well since you won't supply anything of substance to back up your orange BS...

He's anti 2A and 4A

His a crony capitalist willing to increase the deficit and increase consumer prices with his stupid infrastructure spending...out of control budget proposal...gas tax increase and 1930's tariff war.

There's still no wall...we still have Obamacare and oh yeah...he's willing to make more illegal aliens U.S. citizens via amnesty that Obama and the Democrats ever thought of.

He has no signature legislation passed over a year into his presidency.

I could go on. But all you'll donis call me stupid for daring challenge your Orange Wonder and his decidedly lack of discernable accomplishments or achievents since he too office.

Everything all the Trumpsters claimed would happen the day he was sworn in...hasn't happened.

I shouldn't respond to you because of your personal insults but you did make some substantive points.  However, if you expected Rome (or a wall) to be built in a day, that was naive thinking.  And Trump has tried to reduce the negative effects of illegals.  He's been thwarted by judges in some of his travel bans, but he has warned sanctuary cities that they will lose federal funds.

He has given more power to ICE, and he has encouraged support for police, neither of which exist in democrat circles.

If you believed that anything would magically happen in one day or even one year, then you are naive,, but I know you didn't believe that.  You just like to throw it up against the wall.

[DB]

The man child isn't Hillary, all rejoice to our wonderful success...

[DB]

And the Bush steel tariffs weren't even able to prevent the continued decline in US steel production or employment:

Why Trump (or his supporters) would think a trade war is good and "easy to win" defies both history and logic IMO.

https://www.forbes.com/2003/12/05/cx_da_1205topnews.html#4fa6c4392ab1

Trade wars are often lead by arrogance and concluded with destruction. But this time will be different because it is being lead by the right guy... Where have I heard that before...

[Emjay]

Thanks @XenaLee

Sadly, I don't see Trump keeping his yap shut anytime soon.  Nor do I see him changing his mind about tariffs or doing anything to give us real tax reform.  I don't see him accomplishing any of the promises he made during the campaign.  Oh he and congress might come up with some half-assed legislation, pass it, sign it into law, and then Trump can declare he "won."  Just like he and congress did with tax "reform."  But it won't be anything close to what was promised.

I have to admit I don't know a lot about tariffs, but I do know they have been grossly unfair to America in the last dozen or so years and I think Trump is trying to level the playing field a bit.

But, yes, there was tax reform. It wasn't perfect but it was as close as we could get with a divided Senate.

As far as Trump 'keeping his yap shut' as you so elegantly put it, he will not. 

It's not in his DNA to do so.  But the things some people hate about Trump's personality have actually been beneficial in a way.  He does have an enormous ego which has served as a bit of a bulwark against the insane attacks he receives daily from the press, the entertainment industry and so on.

[truth_seeker]

Reagan suffered eight years of a heavily Democrat-controlled House.  Trump has enjoyed GOP control of House and Senate his entire term.  Just think of what Reagan could have accomplished with Bob Michel as House Speaker.

The nature of congress has changed drastically. In Reagan's time, more on both sides, would cross over voting.

Today the dems are virtually all hard left. On the right, Trump's agenda is blocked by a handful in the Senate, Collins, etc. that effectively negate the numerical majority.

 

[Emjay]

Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by the posting of stupid pictures in response to other posters.

As the kindergarten teacher said, "use your words, don't hit the little girl."

[Emjay]

Fine, but if you were making a list of things to hail, wouldn't tax cuts be first?

We did get tax cuts.  We're already experiencing them.  Not what we wanted ... but I wanted two beers and pretzels and I had no pretzels.

[txradioguy]

Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by the posting of stupid pictures in response to other posters.

As the kindergarten teacher said, "use your words, don't hit the little girl."

Careful you'll make RiV angry making fun of her pics like that.

[Emjay]

The nature of congress has changed drastically. In Reagan's time, more on both sides, would cross over voting.

Today the dems are virtually all hard left. On the right, Trump's agenda is blocked by a handful in the Senate, Collins, etc. that effectively negate the numerical majority.

Absolutely true, and thanks for reminding us of that.  The Country was not nearly so divided in Reagan's day.  There were actually some sane democrats back then.

[Emjay]

Careful you'll make RiV angry making fun of her pics like that.

It isn't RIV I was talking about but I will not single out any poster ... I did that yesterday and regretted it.

[txradioguy]

The nature of congress has changed drastically. In Reagan's time, more on both sides, would cross over voting.

Today the dems are virtually all hard left. On the right, Trump's agenda is blocked by a handful in the Senate, Collins, etc. that effectively negate the numerical majority.

The rational Dems that were in the party during that time were run off by the 60's radicals who'd sobered up and finished college and decided to run for office.

The final nail in the coffin was when Zell Miller addressed the GOP Convention. 

And the left is getting even more radical when you stop to consider that someone like Diane Feinstien can't even get the approval of the California Democrat party to run again.

[mystery-ak]

It is common courtesy to ping a member when they are mentioned so they can at least respond or defend themselves.

[Emjay]

It is common courtesy to ping a member when they are mentioned so they can at least respond or defend themselves.

@mystery-ak Actually, I did not know that, so thanks for the reminder.

I thought people just pinged other people to annoy them.

Maybe we all need to be reminded of TRB ethics.