Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

[jpsb]

@GtHawk

You have a mildly mentally retarded, emotionally distressed person making vague threats (not
actionable) to shoot something up. And he has the means to shoot something up. What would
you do? Would you be opposed to taking his firearms from him? Until it can be determined if he
really is a threat to himself and others?

Not an ideal solution with plenty of room for abuse, but it does seem like a common sense thing
to do.

[INVAR]

What exactly do you need explained? I do take time out of my day to assist drooling knuckle dragging shithooks and the underprivileged.

Do you still have to pay the hourly hookers you rented when you have to take a break to assist the drooling underprivileged shithooks?  Or can they pause the meter for you?

I just don't see where you have any time with all your activities Frank.

Maybe you down some speed with your energy drink and blow?  Make time slow down so you can fit it all in?

( I know you can make good on that tip-up)

[EasyAce]

hmmmmmm . . . .

[roamer_1]

Only a crazy person would want to buy an AR15, therefore, you are labeled crazy and your purchase is denied... Goodnight.

There it is. Show up with a Rebel or a Gadsen flag sticker in your back window, and you're a terrorist, end of story.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Paging @Right_in_Virginia , Paging @Right_in_Virginia ...

We're patiently awaiting the Trumpsplaining/comedy routine. Please don't leave us hanging!

Sorry to keep you waiting @bolobaby  ... I just got home a little while ago.  I watched this meeting through live streaming, and thought it was good and somewhat productive.

But when the President said "take the guns and then due process", I cringed.  I knew he was on a "roll", but I don't have an explanation other than this is backwards.  This will not be in the bill, but what I'm hoping for is a streamlined due process -- including a quicker route to a 72 hour visit to a mental health facility -- or the court challenges will render this moot.  I'm also looking forward to a technical correction tweet.

[Sanguine]

Sorry to keep you waiting @bolobaby  ... I just got home a little while ago.  I watched this meeting through live streaming, and thought it was good and somewhat productive.

But when the President said "take the guns and then due process", I cringed.  I knew he was on a "roll", but I don't have an explanation other than this is backwards.  This will be in the bill, but what I'm hoping for is a streamlined due process or the court challenges will render this moot.  I'm also looking forward to a technical correction tweet.

RIV, that's a response I can actually respect.  Thank you.

[Meldrew]

I'm also looking forward to a technical correction tweet.

Since we all know by now Trump isn't the proper spokesman for the Trump administration.

[mystery-ak]

Sorry to keep you waiting @bolobaby  ... I just got home a little while ago.  I watched this meeting through live streaming, and thought it was good and somewhat productive.

But when the President said "take the guns and then due process", I cringed. I knew he was on a "roll", but I don't have an explanation other than this is backwards.  This will be in the bill, but what I'm hoping for is a streamlined due process -- including a quicker route to a 72 hour visit to a mental health facility -- or the court challenges will render this moot. I'm also looking forward to a technical correction tweet.

I watched it too and almost fell out of my chair....not good at all..

I thought there would be a correction by now..the longer he waits the worse it will be for him...

[XenaLee]

I watched it too and almost fell out of my chair....not good at all..

I thought there would be a correction by now..the longer he waits the worse it will be for him...

One step forward..... two steps back.  (the pattern)

[Right_in_Virginia]

Since we all know by now Trump isn't the proper spokesman for the Trump administration.

I am not part of that "we" @Meldrew 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I watched it too and almost fell out of my chair....not good at all..

I thought there would be a correction by now..the longer he waits the worse it will be for him...

@mystery-ak

Hopefully in the morning ...

But I don't think the tweet will stop the media on this.  As I said, I've been out and haven't seen the news .... and I think I'll pass on it tonight.  ^-^

[GtHawk]

@GtHawk

You have a mildly mentally retarded, emotionally distressed person making vague threats (not
actionable) to shoot something up. And he has the means to shoot something up. What would
you do? Would you be opposed to taking his firearms from him? Until it can be determined if he
really is a threat to himself and others?

Not an ideal solution with plenty of room for abuse, but it does seem like a common sense thing
to do.

Here's the problem, you keep dancing around this, it's not that he shouldn't have been taken in for evaluation, it's not that psychological experts wouldn't have found him at least temporarily incapacitated hell he called the cops himself after his mother died looking for help, it's that we already have all these laws and procedures in place and they weren't followed by the people that were hired or elected to follow and implement them. Bypassing due process, violating a persons rights as Trump stated and seems to desire, adding more laws and burdens on the honest sane citizen won't do dick if the laws we already have aren't followed.

People that are happy to take something of value from another, just because they themselves don't hold it in the same value, often excuse it as "the common sense thing to do", for the persons own good, for the public good or my favorite reason of the liberal "FOR THE CHILDREN".

So that in a nutshell is my problem with the common sense gun grabbing, rights violating, knee jerk response to tragedies like this. If the laws, policies and procedures that we already have passed were followed 17 lives would not have been lost and dozens of lives would not have been ruined. More laws are not what we need, all we need is for people to do their damn jobs and follow the existing laws and policies.

[Meldrew]

I am not part of that "we" @Meldrew

Obviously.

[XenaLee]

Here's the problem, you keep dancing around this, it's not that he shouldn't have been taken in for evaluation, it's not that psychological experts wouldn't have found him at least temporarily incapacitated hell he called the cops himself after his mother died looking for help, it's that we already have all these laws and procedures in place and they weren't followed by the people that were hired or elected to follow and implement them. Bypassing due process, violating a persons rights as Trump stated and seems to desire, adding more laws and burdens on the honest sane citizen won't do dick if the laws we already have aren't followed.

People that are happy to take something of value from another, just because they themselves don't hold it in the same value, often excuse it as "the common sense thing to do", for the persons own good, for the public good or my favorite reason of the liberal "FOR THE CHILDREN".

So that in a nutshell is my problem with the common sense gun grabbing, rights violating, knee jerk response to tragedies like this. If the laws, policies and procedures that we already have passed were followed 17 lives would not have been lost and dozens of lives would not have been ruined. More laws are not what we need, all we need is for people to do their damn jobs and follow the existing laws and policies.

If.... big word, big concept there.   If we didn't have the radical left 'effing' things up in America quite intentionally.... like the Obama/Holder "Promise Program" which they instigated.... that kept Cruz (and other mentally ill thugs) from being arrested and summarily kept from committing mass murder..... those laws already enacted would be working fine.  But when government keeps selective and certain laws from being followed, you have chaos and anarchy.  Just as they fully intended.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Obviously.

So why post that to me? @Meldrew

[RoosGirl]

@GtHawk

You have a mildly mentally retarded, emotionally distressed person making vague threats (not
actionable) to shoot something up. And he has the means to shoot something up. What would
you do? Would you be opposed to taking his firearms from him? Until it can be determined if he
really is a threat to himself and others?

Not an ideal solution with plenty of room for abuse, but it does seem like a common sense thing
to do.

Again with the mentally retarded thing.  What is with you?  Are you so hung up on not being able to admit that POTUS is wrong on this that you have to come with some hyperbolic scenario just to cope?  POTUS is wrong on this; there's no weird scenario where it's okay to confiscate property prior to judgement. 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

One step forward..... two steps back.  (the pattern)

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.

[EasyAce]

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.

It's . . .

Charles Durning, "Dance a Little Side Step" (from The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas)

! No longer available

[roamer_1]

POTUS is wrong on this; there's no weird scenario where it's okay to confiscate property prior to judgement.

Not to mention the crap you have to go through to get your property BACK, if it is determined they were wrong.

[Meldrew]

@Right_in_Virginia  Cuz I quoted your post?

But please, don't let me be a distraction.  Carry on.

[corbe]

   I can't speak for @Meldrew, @Right_in_Virginia but you do have a tendency to trigger some of US Briefers, just cause it's what you do, BEST, and I also think you do it maliciously with intent to harm and I love you for that, and that only.

[GtHawk]

If.... big word, big concept there.   If we didn't have the radical left 'effing' things up in America quite intentionally.... like the Obama/Holder "Promise Program" which they instigated.... that kept Cruz (and other mentally ill thugs) from being arrested and summarily kept from committing mass murder..... those laws already enacted would be working fine.  But when government keeps selective and certain laws from being followed, you have chaos and anarchy.  Just as they fully intended.

So taking all those little examples of yours and using them myself, more infringements won't make a damn bit of difference, now will they? We won't, the children won't, be one damn bit safer than they are now.

[XenaLee]

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.

It's just Trump tap-dancing down Jackass Lane.   

[Night Hides Not]

Did the thought police just murder 17 8th graders in Fla while wounding 14 more?

OTOH, the real police waited outside the school.

[INVAR]

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.

A time warp all the way off the Left Cliff to Stalin's Soviet.