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FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« on: February 17, 2018, 01:14:04 am »
The FBI failed to follow proper protocols after a person close to Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz called the FBI tipline to warn that Cruz had a “desire to kill people” and could carry out a school shooting, the agency said in a statement on Friday.

The agency failed to act on the tip, which came a little over a month before Cruz killed 17 people at a Parkland, Florida high school this week.

The FBI’s statement is below:
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.

More at: http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/nikolas-cruz-fbi-protocols-florida-shooting/?utm_content=buffer2f25e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2018, 01:14:49 am »
Totally unforgiveable.  I guess the FBI is too busy hounding Trump to worry about the safety of schoolkids.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2018, 01:20:42 am »
Is it any surprise?

The same FBI that couldn't find any leads on Hillary's bathroom Email server with state secrets on it also couldn't find any leads with a “Im going to be a professional school shooter” video reported to them more than a month ago. Both in full view of the public.

High level people need to be fired. The culture of the FBI is corruption and incompetence. The FBI has been rotting from the head down for a long time now.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2018, 01:55:10 am »
Quote from: DB on February 17, 2018, 01:20:42 am
High level people need to be fired. The culture of the FBI is corruption and incompetence. The FBI has been rotting from the head down for a long time now.

President Trump fired the previous FBI head last May.  Christopher Wray has been in charge Since July 20th.  So judging from the rest of the firings and resignation of the Trump Administration...Wray probably should have left months ago. ^-^
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2018, 01:57:54 am »
Quote from: Once-Ler on February 17, 2018, 01:55:10 am
President Trump fired the previous FBI head last May.  Christopher Wray has been in charge Since July 20th.  So judging from the rest of the firings and resignation of the Trump Administration...Wray probably should have left months ago. ^-^

The whole culture of the FBI is now suspect.

We used to think the FBI was the greatest law enforcement agency and have total respect of them.

This episode is not going away.  It is too bad.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2018, 02:00:58 am »
They knew about the Tsarnaevs as well and didn't do a damn thing about it.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2018, 02:01:34 am »
Another literal fatal error by the govt.  The Sutherland Springs shooter shouldn't have been able to purchase his gun, but the DoD failed to enter his discharge information into the civilian system.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 02:12:14 am »
Quote from: Emjay on February 17, 2018, 01:57:54 am
The whole culture of the FBI is now suspect.

We used to think the FBI was the greatest law enforcement agency and have total respect of them.

This episode is not going away.  It is too bad.

The whole culture of the FBI, DOJ, BATF, DEA, FDA, is suspect.  There have been too many 'incidents' within the past decade or so that screams of corruption within these departments.  Yes I agree, this episode isn't going to go away right now, but those looking into this shooting are corrupt in my humble opinion.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 02:13:06 am »
Quote from: Emjay on February 17, 2018, 01:57:54 am
The whole culture of the FBI is now suspect.

We used to think the FBI was the greatest law enforcement agency and have total respect of them.

This episode is not going away.  It is too bad.

Absolutely the culture is ruined and it will take cleaning out the entire 7th floor to fix it!
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2018, 02:59:44 am »
Quote from: dfwgator on February 17, 2018, 02:00:58 am
They knew about the Tsarnaevs as well and didn't do a damn thing about it.

The families that don't want prayers should be suing the FBI for incompetence instead of pushing gun control politics.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2018, 03:08:25 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 17, 2018, 02:59:44 am
The families that don't want prayers should be suing the FBI for incompetence instead of pushing gun control politics.


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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2018, 04:55:05 am »
Quote from: berdie on February 17, 2018, 03:08:25 am

Agreed

Absolutely.  Can those victims' families sue the FBI?  Is that permitted.  Just wondering.

They definitely dropped the ball.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2018, 08:27:07 am »
Quote from: Emjay on February 17, 2018, 04:55:05 am
Absolutely.  Can those victims' families sue the FBI?  Is that permitted.  Just wondering.

They definitely dropped the ball.

The families might have an action under the Federal Torts Claims Act, but there are a number of restrictions and plenty of rigamaroll to go through (naturally).   They would have to consult a lawyer with expertise and experience in FTCA claims. 

Hell, I might be willing to donate to a fund to help pay their expenses if they did want to sue and could.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2018, 06:49:13 pm »
Quote from: Applewood on February 17, 2018, 08:27:07 am
The families might have an action under the Federal Torts Claims Act, but there are a number of restrictions and plenty of rigamaroll to go through (naturally).   They would have to consult a lawyer with expertise and experience in FTCA claims. 

Hell, I might be willing to donate to a fund to help pay their expenses if they did want to sue and could.

Ordinarily I am against suing over every little thing.  But if I were one of the parents, I would be so bitter and hurt that I would want the FBI to pay for ignoring the valid warning and the incredibly sordid history of this guy.

Maybe a class action lawsuit?  What's O.J.'s lawyer doing right now?
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2018, 07:01:18 pm »
"Mistakes were made."
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2018, 12:38:11 am »
Quote from: Applewood on February 17, 2018, 08:27:07 am
The families might have an action under the Federal Torts Claims Act, but there are a number of restrictions and plenty of rigamaroll to go through (naturally).   They would have to consult a lawyer with expertise and experience in FTCA claims. 

Hell, I might be willing to donate to a fund to help pay their expenses if they did want to sue and could.

I think that’s a great idea. 
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2018, 02:59:02 am »
WOW! No wonder they are federal investigators! There just ain't no slipping NOTHING past them,is there?
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 03:28:25 am »
Quote from: Emjay on February 17, 2018, 01:57:54 am
The whole culture of the FBI is now suspect.

We used to think the FBI was the greatest law enforcement agency and have total respect of them.

This episode is not going away.  It is too bad.

How about they may be dragging their feet, on Security Clearances for the WH ??
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 03:32:34 am »
Quote from: Emjay on February 17, 2018, 01:57:54 am
The whole culture of the FBI is now suspect.

We used to think the FBI was the greatest law enforcement agency and have total respect of them.



@Emjay

They WERE the greatest LE agency in the world. Too many political appointees that owed their loyalty to their political party and their president over the decades has killed that. Maybe even forever.

About the only thing I can think of that could possibly save them is to eliminate political appointees as directors,and have them be career Feebs that came up through the ranks. That,of course,will never happen because then the RNC and the DNC wouldn't be able to control them.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2018, 03:33:44 am »
Quote from: truth_seeker on February 18, 2018, 03:28:25 am
How about they may be dragging their feet, on Security Clearances for the WH ??


They turn in their findings months ago and the WH security office says investigate more.  Individuals submit incomplete or inaccurate SF-86 forms requiring multiple revisions.  Who's the real problem?
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2018, 05:26:15 am »
Quote from: sneakypete on February 18, 2018, 03:32:34 am
@Emjay

They WERE the greatest LE agency in the world. Too many political appointees that owed their loyalty to their political party and their president over the decades has killed that. Maybe even forever.

About the only thing I can think of that could possibly save them is to eliminate political appointees as directors,and have them be career Feebs that came up through the ranks. That,of course,will never happen because then the RNC and the DNC wouldn't be able to control them.

Very sad and very possibly true.
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 07:32:48 am »
Quote from: edpc on February 18, 2018, 03:33:44 am

They turn in their findings months ago and the WH security office says investigate more.  Individuals submit incomplete or inaccurate SF-86 forms requiring multiple revisions.  Who's the real problem?

Do you have sources to cite for those claims?
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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 01:13:46 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on February 18, 2018, 07:32:48 am
Do you have sources to cite for those claims?

Sarah Sanders addressed the FBI portion of Rob Porter's background investigation just last week: 

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Wray told lawmakers at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing that the FBI followed established protocols and submitted a partial report on Porter in March 2017, followed by a "completed" background investigation in late July.

FBI Director Christopher Wray's congressional testimony appears to contradict the White House timeline of when West Wing officials became aware of Rob Porter's alleged domestic abuse.

Wray acknowledged there were follow-ups. "Soon thereafter, we received request for follow-up inquiry and we did the follow-up and provided that information in November and ... we administratively closed the file in January," he said.

Wray added that the FBI obtained “additional information” this month, which they in turn passed to the White House.

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Sanders, pressed by reporters at Tuesday’s briefing about Wray’s account, explained that the White House personnel security office got information last year for what they considered the final background investigation report. However, she said they hadn’t made a final recommendation because “the process was still ongoing”

“The FBI's July report required significant additional investigatory field work before [the] personnel security office could begin to evaluate the information for adjudication. As Director Wray said, information was still coming to the White House personnel security office in February,” she said. “The FBI portion was closed. The White House personnel security office, who's the one that makes the recommendation for adjudication, had not finished their process and therefore had not made a recommendation to the White House.”

The fact that Kushner had to resubmit his SF-86 has been widely covered throughout the news.  Here's one:

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President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner has updated his security clearance form multiple times to disclose foreign contacts, several news outlets reported Friday, prompting speculation on why his form had been submitted before it was fully completed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/13/fbi-boss-says-rob-porter-background-check-completed-last-year-despite-white-house-claims.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/kushners-explanation-of-security-clearance-form-omissions-russia-meeting-prompt-skepticism-2017-7

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Re: FBI Admits It Mishandled Tip On Florida Shooter
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 01:32:32 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on February 18, 2018, 07:32:48 am
Do you have sources to cite for those claims?


They aren't 'claims,' they're common knowledge.  Anyone paying half attention to the story should be aware of them.  Do your own research since you're a truth seeker.
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