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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2018, 08:26:45 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on February 17, 2018, 08:12:37 pm
All I want to learn about their/his brain can come from an autopsy.

The Loughner example is pretty simple, actually.  He had brain damage from a severe case of alcohol poisoning, and was a known bad element, so bad the local Community College had banned him from their campus for his violent tendencies.  The failure was an external one, like the case with this school shooter:  The only reason Loughner was still able to procure his gun was because the local Sheriff in Tucson shielded him from being on the NISC list.  He was a pal of Loughner's Mom who also worked for Pima County in an executive position.  (Do I even need to mention the Sheriff is a Democrat, who has won reelection despite all this being known?)

There was nothing to learn from him, and the fellow should have been heading straight for Florence (where Death Row is) for killing a Federal Judge and a 12-year-old girl.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2018, 11:51:21 pm »
Laura wrote:
"With people this crazy, I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent"

It's not intended to be "a deterrent". That was a fantasy made up by leftists.

It's supposed to be PUNISHMENT for the crime committed.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2018, 11:53:32 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2018, 08:10:55 pm
Fine.  We learn what we can from them.  Then they get the chair.

Fine by me.  I think some people, including child molesters, aren’t fixable.  I think we should be able to use all these people for testing. 
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2018, 11:54:31 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on February 17, 2018, 08:12:37 pm
All I want to learn about their/his brain can come from an autopsy.

Testing first. 
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2018, 11:56:59 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2018, 08:26:45 pm
The Loughner example is pretty simple, actually.  He had brain damage from a severe case of alcohol poisoning, and was a known bad element, so bad the local Community College had banned him from their campus for his violent tendencies.  The failure was an external one, like the case with this school shooter:  The only reason Loughner was still able to procure his gun was because the local Sheriff in Tucson shielded him from being on the NISC list.  He was a pal of Loughner's Mom who also worked for Pima County in an executive position.  (Do I even need to mention the Sheriff is a Democrat, who has won reelection despite all this being known?)

There was nothing to learn from him, and the fellow should have been heading straight for Florence (where Death Row is) for killing a Federal Judge and a 12-year-old girl.

I knew about the sheriff but not the brain damage. That’s interesting.  Take him off my list, unless he can be used for some kind of testing.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2018, 11:57:32 pm »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 17, 2018, 11:54:31 pm
Testing first.

Nope.  Sliced and diced and on a glass slide under a microscope.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2018, 11:58:30 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on February 17, 2018, 11:51:21 pm
Laura wrote:
"With people this crazy, I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent"

It's not intended to be "a deterrent". That was a fantasy made up by leftists.

It's supposed to be PUNISHMENT for the crime committed.

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A strong lesson needs to be sent to the other demons like him who right now are considering doing the same thing.  You will either be ripped apart by police crossfire, or will be strapped down to die.”

The person I responded to was talking about deterrence.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2018, 12:22:47 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on February 17, 2018, 11:51:21 pm
Laura wrote:
"With people this crazy, I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent"

It's not intended to be "a deterrent". That was a fantasy made up by leftists.

It's supposed to be PUNISHMENT for the crime committed.

The best thing about the Death Penalty....the 0% Recidivism Rate.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2018, 12:40:48 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2018, 08:10:55 pm
Fine.  We learn what we can from them.  Then they get the chair.

Nothing to learn.
Found guilty (which is a no brainer)
tie him to a post,
line up the fathers of the children who were killed.
Put rifles in their hands.
And let him plead his case.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2018, 01:52:06 am »
Quote from: Freya on February 17, 2018, 02:39:06 pm
Well, he will have to live with this for a very long time. That said, they'd have to segregate him from gen pop.

Of course they could put him in gen pop. Remember what happened to Jeffrey dahmner when he was in gen pop?

Florida has old sparky. Maybe that's what scares him. No needle.

 I hope the jury are 12 people who are parents and grandparents.
Maybe not.  He was said to be on suicide watch.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2018, 01:56:11 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2018, 05:40:37 pm
I don't think it was mean at all.  Very respectful of all the families that just had loved ones ripped from their embrace.  They deserve retribution,and in the best of circumstances it's going to take decades to get it.  I think this shooter has gotten way more compassion than he deserves.

I think of the freshman JROTC student, Peter Wang (my son was JROTC).  He kept a door open so his classmates could make their escape.  He was killed for it.
Yes, he was a hero, like these other guys who acted with maturity beyond their years.  The MSM should be trumpeting this heroism by kids as role models, but bury the story as it does not fit their agenda.

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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2018, 01:56:54 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on February 18, 2018, 01:52:06 am
Maybe not.  He was said to be on suicide watch.

I say, toss the guy a rope, and save the taxpayers some money.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2018, 10:57:49 pm »
Well I have very little compassion I suppose, and my brother did tell me I was a bad Catholic because I am pro death penalty, but I kind of favor what Nicolas Cage described in this clip. Talk about a deterrent!

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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2018, 11:01:27 pm »
Let God show compassion at the Gate.

This guy needs to die!  Quickly.  As Timothy McVeigh did.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2018, 11:05:29 pm »
Chances are he will be found to be mentally ill. (Performing my online, lay person psych eval.)

It surprises me his attorney is already negotiating a plea and sparing him from the death penalty.

Assuming he is in fact mentally ill, the authorities in Florida have performed badly to leave him running amuck.
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Re: Suspected Florida shooter seeks to avoid death penalty by pleading guilty
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2018, 11:09:39 pm »
It's not his fault that he can't believe,
It's not his fault that he can't behave,
Society made him go astray.
Perhaps if we're nice he'll go away,
Perhaps he'll go away,
He'll go away
"Only a lad. You really can't blame him."
"Only a lad. Society made him."
"Only a lad. He's our responsibility."
Hey there Johnny you really don't fool me,
You get away with murder,
And you think it's funny!
You don't give a damn if we live or if we die
Oh oh oh, ohh ohh ohh oh oh,
Hey there Johnny boy,
I hope you fry!

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