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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2018, 04:23:35 pm »
Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
CNN, Feb 2, 2018, Sophie Tatum

A top Democratic congressman said Friday he is "very concerned" about the possibility that President Donald Trump will fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in the wake of a controversial memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority.

"I'm very concerned about it," Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, said Friday on CNN's "The Situation Room." "There's no telling what this President is capable of."

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"The reason it might be better to fire the boss is Rod Rosenstein sets the investigation," the California Democrat said. "If he can find his own person, a yes man, and he can tell Bob Mueller, 'You can't look into money laundering, you can't look into this or that,' that would be a serious way, a surreptitious way to limit this investigation."

Schiff added that if that were to occur, he would "look at it as just as much of an obstruction of justice."


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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2018, 04:27:32 pm »
How about instead of firing Rosenstein, he's indicted?   :pondering:

Exactly.   Conspiring with others and/or at the direction of another; to affect/damage a duly elected, transitioned and sitting President.

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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2018, 04:31:47 pm »
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 04:33:34 pm »
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

And without seeing the entire tree (i.e., the entire FISA application) we don't know if the tree was poisonous or not.  Now, of course, Trey Gowdy HAS seen the entire tree, and he says he still has 100% confidence in Mueller and that the memo does NOT IN ANY WAY discredit his investigation.  #I'mWithTrey.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2018, 04:38:49 pm »
And without seeing the entire tree (i.e., the entire FISA application) we don't know if the tree was poisonous or not.  Now, of course, Trey Gowdy HAS seen the entire tree, and he says he still has 100% confidence in Mueller and that the memo does NOT IN ANY WAY discredit his investigation.  #I'mWithTrey.

I'm not sure that I have 100% confidence in Trey Gowdy, at this point.   Seems to me that it's a case of 'vultures of a feather flock together'... ie attorneys covering up for and defending fellow attorneys.   After all was said and done re: Gowdy's interrogations, nothing ever came of it.  I'm still wondering why that is.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2018, 04:45:44 pm »
And without seeing the entire tree (i.e., the entire FISA application) we don't know if the tree was poisonous or not.  Now, of course, Trey Gowdy HAS seen the entire tree, and he says he still has 100% confidence in Mueller and that the memo does NOT IN ANY WAY discredit his investigation.  #I'mWithTrey.

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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2018, 05:04:15 pm »
I'm not sure that I have 100% confidence in Trey Gowdy, at this point.   Seems to me that it's a case of 'vultures of a feather flock together'... ie attorneys covering up for and defending fellow attorneys.   After all was said and done re: Gowdy's interrogations, nothing ever came of it.  I'm still wondering why that is.

I completely understand your skepticism and just think everyone needs to make their own judgment about a partial release of information from a clearly partisan source without the equally partisan rebuttal being made available.  Given that Gowdy has seen the underlying intelligence and says it in no way discredits the Mueller investigation, I'll go with that, but if others draw a different conclusion, I can completely understand that. 

Regardless, I think this all just highlights how difficult it is to come to a reasoned and rational conclusion when only a small piece of the available information is made available (of course, sadly, I think that was by design so Trump's base would come to one conclusion and so Trump could now claim that this "totally vindicates" him.  I doubt that would have been the case if they were REALLY transparent and gave us everything).  JMO.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2018, 05:10:49 pm »
I completely understand your skepticism and just think everyone needs to make their own judgment about a partial release of information from a clearly partisan source without the equally partisan rebuttal being made available.  Given that Gowdy has seen the underlying intelligence and says it in no way discredits the Mueller investigation, I'll go with that, but if others draw a different conclusion, I can completely understand that. 

Regardless, I think this all just highlights how difficult it is to come to a reasoned and rational conclusion when only a small piece of the available information is made available (of course, sadly, I think that was by design so Trump's base would come to one conclusion and so Trump could now claim that this "totally vindicates" him.  I doubt that would have been the case if they were REALLY transparent and gave us everything).  JMO.

I'm merely going by the facts that have already been revealed.  Those facts clearly illustrate that Hillary & Co. attempted to damage and even eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election.  If you are aware of any other facts related to this issue, please present them.   The left's response memo is, I expect, going to be just another lame attempt to cover their collective @sses.... and like their usual BS, will be full of holes.  But all we can do is wait and see. 

Again, this Nunes memo release is just the first phase of the uncovering and exposing of the left's corrupt actions.  I really don't see how they can or will manage to recover from it.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2018, 05:19:38 pm »
I'm merely going by the facts that have already been revealed.  Those facts clearly illustrate that Hillary & Co. attempted to damage and even eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election.  If you are aware of any other facts related to this issue, please present them.   The left's response memo is, I expect, going to be just another lame attempt to cover their collective @sses.... and like their usual BS, will be full of holes.  But all we can do is wait and see. 

Again, this Nunes memo release is just the first phase of the uncovering and exposing of the left's corrupt actions.  I really don't see how they can or will manage to recover from it.

What are those facts that "Hillary & Co." tried to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election"?  Clearly those "facts" would have had to be made known prior to the election, and I just don't recall that.  I seem to remember the idea that Russian interference was announced in October 2016 and that they tried to hack the DNC but I don't recall anything linking that to candidate Trump at the time.  Then the DNI report from the Intelligence Community was announced in December, but that was after Trump won so I don't remember seeing anything that tried to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition", but I am getting older and becoming more and more forgetful.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2018, 05:25:41 pm »
What are those facts that "Hillary & Co." tried to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election"?  Clearly those "facts" would have had to be made known prior to the election, and I just don't recall that.  I seem to remember the idea that Russian interference was announced in October 2016 and that they tried to hack the DNC but I don't recall anything linking that to candidate Trump at the time.  Then the DNI report from the Intelligence Community was announced in December, but that was after Trump won so I don't remember seeing anything that tried to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition", but I am getting older and becoming more and more forgetful.

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Fact:  The DNC paid for the fake/phony/bogus "dossier".
Fact:  The fake "dossier" was used to obtain the FISA warrant for surveillance.
Fact:  The ones obtaining the warrant KNEW the dossier was fake, and failed to inform the FISA judge of that.
Fact:  The fingerprints (and names) of several high position FBI & DOJ folks are on the FISA renewals, also based on the fake dossier.
Fact:  Without the fake dossier, paid for by Hillary & Co./DNC.... no FISA warrant would have ever been granted.

I believe I have those facts correct.  If not, please post corrections.

Just from those facts alone, the surveillance of the Trump campaign was based on faked ""evidence"" produced by a biased gaggle of leftists.  Even IF it was only due to incompetence... even IF that is all that could be proven, they should all be fired and held accountable.  But it is way beyond mere incompetence.  It's the nth of government corruption.  And there is more to come.... more revelations.

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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2018, 05:31:44 pm »
The Mueller investigation must be shut down because it was predicated on a false narrative to begin with!
People display their inability to perform common logical thought, when they fail to grasp that.

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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2018, 05:34:21 pm »
Sigh.   

Fact:  The DNC paid for the fake/phony/bogus "dossier".
Fact:  The fake "dossier" was used to obtain the FISA warrant for surveillance.
Fact:  The ones obtaining the warrant KNEW the dossier was fake, and failed to inform the FISA judge of that.
Fact:  The fingerprints (and names) of several high position FBI & DOJ folks are on the FISA renewals, also based on the fake dossier.
Fact:  Without the fake dossier, paid for by Hillary & Co./DNC.... no FISA warrant would have ever been granted.

I believe I have those facts correct.  If not, please post corrections.

Just from those facts alone, the surveillance of the Trump campaign was based on faked ""evidence"" produced by a biased gaggle of leftists.  Even IF it was only due to incompetence... even IF that is all that could be proven, they should all be fired and held accountable.  But it is way beyond mere incompetence.  It's the nth of government corruption.  And there is more to come.... more revelations.

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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2018, 05:37:21 pm »
Sigh.   

Fact:  The DNC paid for the fake/phony/bogus "dossier".
Fact:  The fake "dossier" was used to obtain the FISA warrant for surveillance.
Fact:  The ones obtaining the warrant KNEW the dossier was fake, and failed to inform the FISA judge of that.
Fact:  The fingerprints (and names) of several high position FBI & DOJ folks are on the FISA renewals, also based on the fake dossier.
Fact:  Without the fake dossier, paid for by Hillary & Co./DNC.... no FISA warrant would have ever been granted.

I believe I have those facts correct.  If not, please post corrections.

Just from those facts alone, the surveillance of the Trump campaign was based on faked ""evidence"" produced by a biased gaggle of leftists.  Even IF it was only due to incompetence... even IF that is all that could be proven, they should all be fired and held accountable.  But it is way beyond mere incompetence.  It's the nth of government corruption.  And there is more to come.... more revelations.



Yeah, gawrsh.  Compared to this - prosecutors not telling everything they know to a judge to obtain a search warrant, the way most prosecutors conduct themselves on a daily basis - the corruption of a sitting president using the power of the office to affirmatively cover up a crime pales into insignificance. 

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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2018, 05:39:54 pm »
Sigh.   

Fact:  The DNC paid for the fake/phony/bogus "dossier".
Fact:  The fake "dossier" was used to obtain the FISA warrant for surveillance.
Fact:  The ones obtaining the warrant KNEW the dossier was fake, and failed to inform the FISA judge of that.
Fact:  The fingerprints (and names) of several high position FBI & DOJ folks are on the FISA renewals, also based on the fake dossier.
Fact:  Without the fake dossier, paid for by Hillary & Co./DNC.... no FISA warrant would have ever been granted.

I believe I have those facts correct.  If not, please post corrections.

Just from those facts alone, the surveillance of the Trump campaign was based on faked ""evidence"" produced by a biased gaggle of leftists.  Even IF it was only due to incompetence... even IF that is all that could be proven, they should all be fired and held accountable.  But it is way beyond mere incompetence.  It's the nth of government corruption.  And there is more to come.... more revelations.

Of course, we know all now, but didn't that all come out AFTER the election?  I just fail to see how Hillary was using ALL of the above to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election" if ALL of that information didn't become publicly known until AFTER the election.  For example, the dossier wasn't made public until Buzzfeed published it in January 2017.  That was 2 months AFTER Trump was elected.  The Nunes memo notes that the counterintelligence investigation started in July 2016 and was TRIGGED by the Papadopoulos information (not the above info).  Directly from the Nunes memo:

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The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.

If Hillary's plan was truly to use all that you've identified above to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate", they should have released that information PRIOR to NOT AFTER the election, yet they didn't.  Sorry, I'm just not seeing the evidence that Hillary used all the above to "eliminate Trump as a viable candidate and as her major opposition in the 2016 election".
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 05:44:02 pm »
Does anybody think this one memo from Nunes is all we're ever going to hear on the subject? 
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2018, 05:44:21 pm »
Sigh.   

Fact:  The DNC paid for the fake/phony/bogus "dossier".
Fact:  The fake "dossier" was used to obtain the FISA warrant for surveillance.
Fact:  The ones obtaining the warrant KNEW the dossier was fake, and failed to inform the FISA judge of that.
Fact:  The fingerprints (and names) of several high position FBI & DOJ folks are on the FISA renewals, also based on the fake dossier.
Fact:  Without the fake dossier, paid for by Hillary & Co./DNC.... no FISA warrant would have ever been granted.

I believe I have those facts correct.  If not, please post corrections.

Just from those facts alone, the surveillance of the Trump campaign was based on faked ""evidence"" produced by a biased gaggle of leftists.  Even IF it was only due to incompetence... even IF that is all that could be proven, they should all be fired and held accountable.  But it is way beyond mere incompetence.  It's the nth of government corruption.  And there is more to come.... more revelations.


Holder moved weapons across the border via straw purchases and got people killed.  Berger stole classified documents from the archives, stuffed them in his pants, and tried to dispose of them.  Hillary sequestered emails on a private server, exposed classified info, and destroyed evidence.  None of them suffered serious criminal consequences.  Don’t let your expectations get too high.

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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2018, 05:47:00 pm »

Holder moved weapons across the border via straw purchases and got people killed.  Berger stole classified documents from the archives, stuffed them in his pants, and tried to dispose of them.  Hillary sequestered emails on a private server, exposed classified in, and destroyed evidence.  None of them suffered serious criminal consequences.  Don’t let your expectations get too high.

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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2018, 05:50:10 pm »
People display their inability to perform common logical thought, when they fail to grasp that.

Related is desiring to continue a Russia, Russia, Russia investigation with no crime being identified after a year.

If Mueller has the integrity that is claimed for him, he will quickly conclude and report to the public that the investigation was built on a sham, and he is ending it.
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That's exactly it. Mueller and his band of anti-Trump, pro-Hillary/Obama supporters have no integrity. As you said, if they were really on the level, and if they were conducting a 'real' investigation, they would concede that nothing happened and disband.

But the Mueller probe is not about collusion or any crime at all. It is about damaging and hindering Trump in any way they can. It is a farce built on a lie by a disgruntled, fired, ex-employee.

It is ridiculous that anyone is taking this thing seriously. Congress should shut it down today.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2018, 05:54:28 pm »
Yeah, gawrsh.  Compared to this - prosecutors not telling everything they know to a judge to obtain a search warrant, the way most prosecutors conduct themselves on a daily basis - the corruption of a sitting president using the power of the office to affirmatively cover up a crime pales into insignificance.
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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2018, 05:54:42 pm »
Does anybody think this one memo from Nunes is all we're ever going to hear on the subject?
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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2018, 06:00:49 pm »
Why isn’t everyone calling for Congressional hearings and/or an IG investigation into this?  Look, the reality is we don’t know what was in the FISA application.  Trey Gowdy does, and he says nothing in the memo discredits the Mueller investigation.  If there were truly abnormalities and illegalities in getting the FISA warrant, I think they should be fully investigated and the guilty parties should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.  No one seems all that interested in actual justice though; they seem to only want to use these allegations for partisan reasons to go after Rosenstein and/or Mueller. 

I think we need to kick off Congressional hearings and/or an IG investigation to review the actual FISA application and to hear directly from McCabe, Yates, Boente, and Rosenstein, and if these folks broke the law, they should be prosecuted.  That’s the appropriate process IMO – not releasing a partial partisan Republican memo while refusing to release the companion partial partisan Democratic rebuttal.  I say let’s hear from those folks in the middle of this before we pronounce them guilty (especially since we don’t have access to the underlying intelligence that formed the basis for 4 FISA warrants).  Just my $0.02.
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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2018, 06:02:27 pm »
For what?  Not being sufficiently worshipful of Lord Trump?

If that were an indictable offense, we'd have to charge you.

The investigation will eventually show who is guilty of what.  I trust Nunes to push this through.
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2018, 06:02:28 pm »
Why isn’t everyone calling for Congressional hearings and/or an IG investigation into this?  Look, the reality is we don’t know what was in the FISA application.  Trey Gowdy does, and he says nothing in the memo discredits the Mueller investigation.  If there were truly abnormalities and illegalities in getting the FISA warrant, I think they should be fully investigated and the guilty parties should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.  No one seems all that interested in actual justice though; they seem to only want to use these allegations for partisan reasons to go after Rosenstein and/or Mueller. 

I think we need to kick off Congressional hearings and/or an IG investigation to review the actual FISA application and to hear directly from McCabe, Yates, Boente, and Rosenstein, and if these folks broke the law, they should be prosecuted.  That’s the appropriate process IMO – not releasing a partial partisan Republican memo while refusing to release the companion partial partisan Democratic rebuttal.  I say let’s hear from those folks in the middle of this before we pronounce them guilty (especially since we don’t have access to the underlying intelligence that formed the basis for 4 FISA warrants).  Just my $0.02.

I think that there is more than sufficient evidence for grand juries to consider already!

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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2018, 06:03:39 pm »
I think that there is more than sufficient evidence for grand juries to consider already!

Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments - 18 USC 595

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

Better ring up Nunes and Trump, and tell them they’ve missed the obvious. 

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Re: Schiff 'very concerned' Trump might fire Rosenstein
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2018, 06:03:49 pm »
@Cyber Liberty
No. Of course not. This memo is only 10% of what is in the works. There is a lot more coming. Assuming that Nunes lives long enough to get it all out.

Nunes said himself in an interview yesterday on Fox that there is much more to come out.

But maybe he needs to think about staying away from Fort Marcy Park.
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