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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #250 on: January 29, 2018, 07:26:56 pm »
I agree with you.  I wish the Federal Machine (that enforces laws) agreed with us, but they don't.  Especially the parts of the machine that prefers Obastard's policies.   We're the ones being ignored.

I would just like to see him do as I suggest and see where the chips fall!  You might be surprised.
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #251 on: January 29, 2018, 08:25:31 pm »
I hope you're not lumping all Trump supporters together.  But I think you are.

No, you would be mistaken.

@anubias and I had an interesting civil conversation on that exact issue upthread.

He has simply been a better president than I expected him to be and, so far, has done no real wrong unless you are mortally offended by tweets.

You are perfectly welcome to think that without criticism from me.  My issues are about those whom demand total fealty of opinion about Trump and assault each and every hint of criticism or negativity as some kind of treason that must be rooted out.

I do know that undocumented aliens can be deported if caught.  So, what the heck is stopping that from happening?  Right now.

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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #252 on: January 29, 2018, 08:29:02 pm »
No, you would be mistaken.

@anubias and I had an interesting civil conversation on that exact issue upthread.

You are perfectly welcome to think that without criticism from me.  My issues are about those whom demand total fealty of opinion about Trump and assault each and every hint of criticism or negativity as some kind of treason that must be rooted out.

Willpower and an Activist Judiciary.

Gotcha.  If Trump will do the right thing on immigration, he will put a cap on a fairly successful year.
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« Reply #253 on: January 29, 2018, 08:31:44 pm »
Gotcha.  If Trump will do the right thing on immigration, he will put a cap on a fairly successful year.

I agree with that.  Let's do what we can to hold his feet to the fire over immigration, both legal and not.

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« Reply #254 on: January 29, 2018, 08:41:50 pm »
I’m one of the “hopers” listed above, not because I adulate Trump, but because I’d like a win on this issue.  I *hope* the reason he did not reverse the executive order is that he wants to avoid the R’s being ripped to shreds on this for 2018.  Playing the game with them so that the finger can be pointed back at them helps diffuse it.

Of course, I have no way of knowing that is what the man is doing, I can only “hope”.  He could be getting ready to declare blanket amnesty for all I know, but my gut tells me otherwise.  My gut could simply be a Hail Mary being thrown to keep my ulcer in check during the wait as I am vehemently against amnesty.  If Trump does grant Amnesty, I will be every bit as enraged as @libertybele and others.  I may very well stroke over it.  ;)

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« Reply #255 on: January 29, 2018, 10:59:41 pm »
I’m one of the “hopers” listed above, not because I adulate Trump, but because I’d like a win on this issue.  I *hope* the reason he did not reverse the executive order is that he wants to avoid the R’s being ripped to shreds on this for 2018.  Playing the game with them so that the finger can be pointed back at them helps diffuse it.

Of course, I have no way of knowing that is what the man is doing, I can only “hope”.  He could be getting ready to declare blanket amnesty for all I know, but my gut tells me otherwise.  My gut could simply be a Hail Mary being thrown to keep my ulcer in check during the wait as I am vehemently against amnesty.  If Trump does grant Amnesty, I will be every bit as enraged as @libertybele and others.  I may very well stroke over it.  ;)

We shall see what happens, and I truly hoped I have jumped the gun on this.  Understand that I am not enraged, but fearful of what amnesty will mean for this country. The fear of losing our sovereignty, the fear of losing our country as we now know it and the fear of mass pandemonium when we are overtaken by people who refuse to assimilate and the real possibility of being run by Sharia law in the future.  I look at what has happened over in Germany, France, Belgium and other countries and they are now countries in Europe erecting  border walls for a reason.
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« Reply #256 on: January 29, 2018, 11:09:46 pm »
We shall see what happens, and I truly hoped I have jumped the gun on this.  Understand that I am not enraged, but fearful of what amnesty will mean for this country. The fear of losing our sovereignty, the fear of losing our country as we now know it and the fear of mass pandemonium when we are overtaken by people who refuse to assimilate and the real possibility of being run by Sharia law in the future.  I look at what has happened over in Germany, France, Belgium and other countries and they are now countries in Europe erecting  border walls for a reason.

They have to be stopped from entering this country.  If not, we may have to open our borders to the south merely to bring in more Christians to counter-balance Sharia.  It is beyond imagination to have to resort to such an extreme.  Surely I will be long gone by that point, but watching the invasion of Europe in such a speedy manner gives me pause and should be frightening to all Americans.  They are also invading South America as well, I hear.
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #257 on: January 29, 2018, 11:14:06 pm »
We shall see what happens, and I truly hoped I have jumped the gun on this.  Understand that I am not enraged, but fearful of what amnesty will mean for this country.


You’re not jumping the gun. This was a proposal released by the WH, not some made up supposition by anonymous people.  You’re hardly alone in your criticism.  It’s definitely a subject in the SOTU.  Given the negative reaction on both sides, there’s probably been a re-write of the speech.  Probably also why they postponed the public rollout scheduled for today.
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« Reply #258 on: January 30, 2018, 12:45:25 am »

You’re not jumping the gun. This was a proposal released by the WH, not some made up supposition by anonymous people.  You’re hardly alone in your criticism.  It’s definitely a subject in the SOTU.  Given the negative reaction on both sides, there’s probably been a re-write of the speech.  Probably also why they postponed the public rollout scheduled for today.

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« Reply #259 on: January 30, 2018, 01:12:39 am »
   Thank You for posting this @Emjay and Thank You Briefers for having the respect for Myst's vision to keep an OP with 'Cruz' in the title alive this long, KUDOS to all!
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #260 on: January 30, 2018, 01:42:21 am »
   Thank You for posting this @Emjay and Thank You Briefers for having the respect for Myst's vision to keep an OP with 'Cruz' in the title alive this long, KUDOS to all!

Yes; Myst is the best and there is obvious interest here in this subject and Cruz's opinion on it.
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #261 on: January 30, 2018, 02:51:38 am »
Eh, I realize that there are laws on the books ... so ... you mean to tell me that supposedly once those laws are actually enforced, employers who are now paying illegals under the table are all of a sudden going to comply?  Don't think so.  I get take away there bennies and some will self deport -- yet there are lots that will stay as they've already figured a way around the system, and some are already surviving by illegal means anyways (imagine that).
Yes, if laws are enforced, people go to jail and fines are levied.  Drop a few felonies on some company executives and big fines and they will 'see the light'.

So, of course they will comply.

Do you think they would not for some reason, like some black market endeavor like the drug trade but for human smuggling and employment?
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #262 on: January 30, 2018, 04:31:17 am »
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #263 on: January 30, 2018, 04:32:17 am »
   Thank You for posting this @Emjay and Thank You Briefers for having the respect for Myst's vision to keep an OP with 'Cruz' in the title alive this long, KUDOS to all!

Too bad the last mention of Ted was on page 5 or 6... :rolling:
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #264 on: January 30, 2018, 01:45:19 pm »
Too bad the last mention of Ted was on page 5 or 6... :rolling:

Easily remedied.  Cruz has been anti-amnesty and anti-open borders all along and I like his idea of using El Chapo $$ to fund the wall. He has proposed a series of amendments on this issue which include measures to prevent citizenship for those here illegally, as well as blocking illegals’ access to federal, state, or local public assistance benefits.  He proposed amendments as well to secure the border, triple the size of the Border Patrol, and implement a biometric entry-exit system.  So it's really disheartening when the Trumpsters in here chastise him and yet give a free pass to Trump who has made a statement he wants to grant DACA recipients a pathway to citizenship!  Yeppers criticize the true conservative who's actually been fighting against amnesty, illegal immigration and open borders for years and praise the 'grand bargainer' for proposing amnesty!  Got it!
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #265 on: January 30, 2018, 01:49:38 pm »
From June of 2015 -- ..."Texas Sen. Ted Cruz introduced legislation on Wednesday that would forbid the Obama administration from using fees paid by legal immigrants to fund Obama’s executive amnesty for illegal aliens.

The Immigration Slush Fund Elimination Act would stop the executive branch from using fees collected from legal immigrants who obeyed U.S. immigration law to pay for the ongoing illegal alien naturalization surge. Thanks to the million or so legal aliens flocking to America every year, that’s a lot of cash. Cruz notes that USCIS Chief Financial Officer Joseph Moore can lay claim to nearly $1 billion in application fees. Cruz’s bill would return the pursestrings back into Congress’s hands — and perhaps most importantly, stop the White House from ramping up legal immigration and issuing more and more fees in order to grant more illegal aliens amnesty..........

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/20/ted-cruz-introduces-bill-to-drain-amnesty-slush-fund-subsidized-by-legal-immigrants/
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #266 on: January 30, 2018, 01:52:06 pm »
Ted on Kate's Law (which McConnell blocked) and on illegal immigration and amnesty!


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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #267 on: January 30, 2018, 01:52:36 pm »
From June of 2015 -- ..."Texas Sen. Ted Cruz introduced legislation on Wednesday that would forbid the Obama administration from using fees paid by legal immigrants to fund Obama’s executive amnesty for illegal aliens.

The Immigration Slush Fund Elimination Act would stop the executive branch from using fees collected from legal immigrants who obeyed U.S. immigration law to pay for the ongoing illegal alien naturalization surge. Thanks to the million or so legal aliens flocking to America every year, that’s a lot of cash. Cruz notes that USCIS Chief Financial Officer Joseph Moore can lay claim to nearly $1 billion in application fees. Cruz’s bill would return the pursestrings back into Congress’s hands — and perhaps most importantly, stop the White House from ramping up legal immigration and issuing more and more fees in order to grant more illegal aliens amnesty..........

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/20/ted-cruz-introduces-bill-to-drain-amnesty-slush-fund-subsidized-by-legal-immigrants/

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« Reply #268 on: January 30, 2018, 01:55:11 pm »
Sen. Ted Cruz: Opposes amnesty, embrace legal immigrants:

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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #269 on: January 30, 2018, 02:03:36 pm »
Was it successful?

Gee, brilliant question Cyber as you know the answer and to smugly even ask that question speaks volumes to me. It is unfortunate that we have a Senate and a Congress who are more than willing to grant amnesty and to leave our borders open; that has been demonstrated repeatedly by their votes; votes against the will of the people.  When a sitting senator (Ted Cruz) brought up Kate's law the Republican leader of the Senate (Mitch McConnell) wouldn't even allow it to come up for a vote. 

I think it is important to recognize those Senators and Congressmen who have fought the fight against illegal immigration and open borders and those Senators and Congressmen who have proposed amnesty and open borders.  Ted Cruz by the way fought against the Gang of Eight.


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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #270 on: January 30, 2018, 02:11:59 pm »
Ted Cruz's stance on illegal immigration and amnesty:

 Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions
Border security is national security. Cruz introduced two bills to protect Americans from an influx of refugees who could be a national security risk, including legislation barring refugees from terrorist-ridden regions and legislation to recognize governors' authority to protect the citizens in their states by rejecting to resettle refugees in their state.
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website TedCruz.org , Mar 15, 2016

Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens
Q: Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals--DACA--is a program that has protected young people, brought to the U.S. by undocumented immigrants.

CRUZ: Existing law provides that those who are deported cannot come back here legally. U.S. citizens can come back. That's existing law.
Source: 2016 CNN-Telemundo Republican debate on eve of Texas primary , Feb 25, 2016

I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill


CRUZ: When Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer were leading the fight to pass a massive amnesty plan, I led the fight to defeat that plan. The question for anyone on illegal immigration is where were you in that fight?


CRUZ: I have promised to rescind every single illegal executive action, including that one.
Source: 2016 CBS Republican primary debate in South Carolina , Feb 13, 2016

FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens
Ted Cruz, debating the possibility of deporting an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, asked, "Do you know how many aliens Bill Clinton deported? 12 million. Do you know how many illegal aliens, George W. Bush deported? 10 million."

Is that true? We checked, and found that both of Cruz's figures are accurate. Looking at the Department of Homeland Security's "Yearbook of Immigration Statistics: 2013 Enforcement Actions", the figures in Table 39 are:
Administration
Deportations
8,300,000   Reagan (1981-1988)
4,100,000   Bush Sr. (1989-1992)
4,100,000   Clinton (1993-2000)
10,300,000   Bush Jr. (2001-2008)
3,200,000   Obama first term (2009-2012; on track for 6 million total)
Those figures include both "removals and returns." Cruz's point is that 11 million deportations have been accomplished before.
Source: OnTheIssues FactCheck on 2015 CNN/Salem Republican debate , Dec 15, 2015

Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan

CRUZ: There was a time for choosing, as Reagan put it. There was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like Senator Rubio, to stand with Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. Others chose to stand with the American people and secure the border. And I tell you, if I'm elected president, we will secure the border. We will triple the border patrol. We will build a wall that works and I'll get Donald Trump to pay for it.
Source: 2015 CNN/Salem Republican two-tier debate , Dec 15, 2015


CRUZ : I have never supported legalization, and I do not intend to support legalization. Let me tell you how you do this, what you do is you enforce the law. I've laid out a very, very detailed immigration plan on my website. It's 11 pages of existing federal law and in particular the question of what to do with people who are here now? You enforce the law. We can enforce the laws and if we secure the border, that solves the problem.
Source: 2015 CNN/Salem Republican two-tier debate , Dec 15, 2015

Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans
For those who believe people 'ought to come to this country legally, we're tired of being told it's anti-immigrant. I am the son of an immigrant who came legally from Cuba. We can embrace legal immigration while believing in the rule of law. Try going illegally to another country. Try going to China, or Japan. Try going to Mexico. See what they do. Every sovereign nation secures its borders, and it is not compassionate to say we're not going to enforce the laws.
Source: Fox Business/WSJ Second Tier debate , Nov 10, 2015

Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce
Q: About the murder of Kate Steinle, allegedly shot down by an illegal immigrant--will you support Kate Steinle's Law, which would impose a mandatory five-year prison term for an illegal who is deported and then returns to this country?

CRUZ: Absolutely yes. And not only will I support it I have authored Kate's law in the United States Senate and filed that legislation. I tried to get the Senate to vote to pass Kate's law on the floor of the Senate just one week ago, and the leader of our own party blocked a vote on Kate's law. You know, there was reference made [by Donald Trump] about our leaders being stupid. It's not a question of stupidity. It's that they don't want to enforce the immigration laws. That there are far too many in the Washington cartel that support amnesty. There's 7 billion people across the face of the globe, many of whom want to come to this country. If they come legally, great. But if they come illegally & get amnesty, that would fundamentally change this country.
Source: Fox News/Facebook Top Ten First Tier debate transcript , Aug 6, 2015

Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants
The Texas senator is pretty unequivocal: "I think a path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who followed the rules," Cruz told ABC in 2013.

Cruz has repeatedly referred to President Obama's executive order as "lawless amnesty," and in 2013, he filed an amendment that would deny a pathway to citizenship to undocumented immigrants. However, Cruz has shown some vague support for a "path to legal status," according to The New York Times. He has also proposed doubling the number of green cards given out each year.

Cruz has opposed the DREAM Act, which would "provide illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children a path to permanent residency if they attend college or serve in the military." In 2014, he unsuccessfully tried to reverse Obama's executive order to halt the deportation of young, undocumented immigrants.
Source: National Journal 2016 series: Republicans on immigration , Feb 23, 2015

End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances
Q: How to respond to the split within your party on immigration? What you're saying is that the Republicans should vote to fund the governments for all departments except one: no funding for the Department of Homeland Security, which handles immigration, rescinding President Obama's executive action, and if he vetoes that, he's responsible for shutting down the department. The problem is that's almost exactly what you did with the government shutdown across the entire government in 2013 with ObamaCare, and it backfired badly on your party.

CRUZ: All across this country, Republicans campaigned, saying: if you elect a Republican Senate, we will stop President Obama's illegal amnesty. We need to honor what we said. We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have to rein in the abuse of power of the executive. Step #1 is if the president implements this lawless amnesty, that the Senate will not confirm any executive or judicial nominees.
Source: Fox News Sunday 2014 interview of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Nov 23, 2014

Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded
Q: How would you rescind President Obama's executive action on immigration?

CRUZ: We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have to rein in the abuse of power of the executive. Step #1 that I have called for is the incoming majority leader should announce if the president implements this lawless amnesty, that the Senate will not confirm any executive or judicial nominees, other than vital national security positions, for the next two years, unless and until the president ends this lawless amnesty. That is an explicit authority given to the Senate.

Q: Are you saying the Senate should refuse to confirm the president's new nominee for attorney general?

CRUZ: We have to rein in the executive. In the Federalist Papers, our Framers talked about a president who would behave like a monarch. And step #2, we've got is the power of the purse, and we should fund one at a time the critical priorities of the federal government, but also use the power of the purse to attach riders.
Source: Fox News Sunday 2014 interview of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Nov 23, 2014

No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas
When discussing what to do about the 1.65 million illegal immigrants living in Texas, Cruz weaved into the Second Amendment, alleging his opponent didn't support gun rights. "What does this have to do with the question?" Sadler asked before fiercely denying his opponent's allegation. Cruz again said he didn't support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants living in America, while Sadler said the opposite, as expected.
Source: WFAA-TV Dallas-Fort Worth on 2012 Texas Senate debate , Oct 2, 2012

Give police more power to ask about immigration status
Cruz accused Dewhurst of using his position as head of the Texas Senate to kill a bill last year that would have given police more power to ask anyone they detain about their citizenship status--a charge Dewhurst denied.

Both agreed that the US has failed to secure its border with Mexico, and said they oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants and the Obama administration's new directive allowing many young illegal immigrants brought to the US as children to be exempted from deportation.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle on 2012 Texas Senate debates , Jun 22, 2012

Boots on the ground, plus a wall
Border wall: James and Leppert oppose a wall, Dewhurst and Cruz tout "boots on the ground" and a wall in some places.
Source: BurntOrangeReport.com on 2012 Texas Senate Debate , Apr 18, 2012

Triple the size of the Border Patrol
Cruz on immigration: Wants to triple size of Border Patrol. Says Dewhurst supported in-state tuition for kids of illegal immigrants.

Dewhurst: I have always been against an amnesty program. "If they want to be a citizen, they ought to go home and reapply."

Dewhurst says he was against tuition for children of illegal immigrants.
Source: KVUE coverage of 2012 Texas Senate debate , Mar 29, 2012

Strengthen border security and increase enforcement
Ted Cruz has worked to strengthen border security and help ensure that America remains a nation of laws. Among other efforts, he has worked on efforts to increase penalties for felons who enter the country illegally.

Ted authored a U.S. Supreme Court amicus brief on behalf of 10 states in Lopez v. Gonzales, urging the strictest enforcement of laws punishing those with prior felony convictions who entered the country illegally.
Source: Campaign website, www.tedcruz.org, "Issues" , Jul 17, 2011

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Ted_Cruz_Immigration.htm
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #271 on: January 30, 2018, 02:18:17 pm »
   Thank You for posting this @Emjay and Thank You Briefers for having the respect for Myst's vision to keep an OP with 'Cruz' in the title alive this long, KUDOS to all!

Cruz is (as usual) standing true to his words and Trump is backpedaling (as usual); and so it is the nature of the Trump supporters to jump all over Cruz when they cannot defend Trump's recent words on granting a pathway to citizenship; heck, some won't even admit that he said those words.  When I asked the simple question if Trump offered amnesty or not I was told to wait and see what happens! 
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #272 on: January 30, 2018, 02:22:04 pm »
Yes; Myst is the best and there is obvious interest here in this subject and Cruz's opinion on it.

 :beer:  Cruz has been one of the few Senators who have been supportive of Trump's agenda and on this Cruz is vocalizing that he remains steadfast against amnesty.  Interesting how Trump supporters are willing to give him a pass on this issue; one of the very reasons why they rallied around him!
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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #273 on: January 30, 2018, 02:30:55 pm »
Gee, brilliant question Cyber as you know the answer and to smugly even ask that question speaks volumes to me. It is unfortunate that we have a Senate and a Congress who are more than willing to grant amnesty and to leave our borders open; that has been demonstrated repeatedly by their votes; votes against the will of the people.  When a sitting senator (Ted Cruz) brought up Kate's law the Republican leader of the Senate (Mitch McConnell) wouldn't even allow it to come up for a vote. 

I think it is important to recognize those Senators and Congressmen who have fought the fight against illegal immigration and open borders and those Senators and Congressmen who have proposed amnesty and open borders.  Ted Cruz by the way fought against the Gang of Eight.

Cyber is pro-Cruz.  I don't think it was a slam.

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Re: Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!
« Reply #274 on: January 30, 2018, 02:31:32 pm »
Gee, brilliant question Cyber as you know the answer and to smugly even ask that question speaks volumes to me.

It wasn't "smug," and I'll thank you to not attribute thoughts to me that I do not have.  It was a simple, straightforward question you chose to belittle.  Thanks for answering.
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