Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!

[edpc]

@libertybele

See post 224.  [comment removed - Mach]

[txradioguy]

  Trump supporters really need to realize that the 'grand bargainer' isn't getting anything in return...a promise of a wall in the future and a promise to end chain migration coming from the DEMS is giving them the leverage and power to gain the voting advantage that they need to ensure that a Republican is never seated again.

I truly believe that this has been his agenda from the beginning.  He's backpedaled on quite a few key issues and yet his supporters still rallied around him. Why do they continue to give him a 'pass' on everything?

He's already admitted that talk of the wall and deportations was a political ploy that it's more important to the voters than it is to him.

They give him a pass because they've invested so much of themselves into him...trashed so many other people on his behalf and made so many bold predictions about how he was going to drain the swamp and make America Great Again (stolen from Reagan btw) that it would be too embarrassing and their egos are so big for them to admit they were taken for a ride or wrong about Trump doing everything he promised.

[libertybele]

I respectfully suggest your crystal ball needs a good washing.

So ... are you denying that Trump recently stated that he is open to amnesty for DACA recipients and a pathway to citizenship?  As I recall Trump declared in his 2016 campaign “There will be no amnesty ...“day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”  Last time I checked RIV, day one and his first hour in office is gone.  So why are you giving him a pass on this?  I would assume that you are o.k. then with amnesty?

[edpc]

So ... are you denying that Trump recently stated that he is open to amnesty for DACA recipients and a pathway to citizenship?  As I recall Trump declared in his 2016 campaign “There will be no amnesty ...“day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”  Last time I checked RIV, day one and his first hour in office is gone.  So why are you giving him a pass on this?  I would assume that you are o.k. then with amnesty?

You could tell it wasn’t really important to him, or else it would be ‘bing-worthy.’


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU

[Right_in_Virginia]

So ... are you denying that Trump recently stated that he is open to amnesty for DACA recipients and a pathway to citizenship?  As I recall Trump declared in his 2016 campaign “There will be no amnesty ...“day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”  Last time I checked RIV, day one and his first hour in office is gone.  So why are you giving him a pass on this?  I would assume that you are o.k. then with amnesty?

All I'm saying @libertybele is you are on a tear ... and this process is just at its beginning.  You have no better way of knowing what the end result will look like than have I, yet you argue as though we've a done deal.  We do not.  Putting the cart before the horse is simply not helpful to honest debate, IMO.

I clearly have more faith in the President than do you.  And, I've been right more often than not when it comes to Donald Trump.

[libertybele]

All I'm saying @libertybele is you are on a tear ... and this process is just at its beginning.  You have no better way of knowing what the end result will look like than have I, yet you argue as though we've a done deal.  We do not.  Putting the cart before the horse is simply not helpful to honest debate, IMO.

I clearly have more faith in the President than do you.  And, I've been right more often than not when it comes to Donald Trump.

I understand clearly what you are saying, but the question still remains; are you denying that during the 2016 presidential campaign Trump stated “There will be no amnesty,” ... “day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”?   You are correct we don't know what the end result will b, but the problem is ... was he lying during his campaign about amnesty or is he lying now about granting amnesty?  Either he mean what he said during the campaign about no amnesty or he means what he's saying now about granting amnesty.  I think that's pretty straightforward.  I also think to give him a pass on this instead of holding his feet to the fire is a huge mistake.  Perhaps his statement of  "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," is true. Very sad.

[Sanguine]

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I understand clearly what you are saying, but the question still remains; are you denying that during the 2016 presidential campaign Trump stated “There will be no amnesty,” ... “day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”?   You are correct we don't know what the end result will b, but the problem is ... was he lying during his campaign about amnesty or is he lying now about granting amnesty?  Either he mean what he said during the campaign about no amnesty or he means what he's saying now about granting amnesty.  I think that's pretty straightforward.  I also think to give him a pass on this instead of holding his feet to the fire is a huge mistake.  Perhaps his statement of  "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," is true. Very sad.

My friend, I've nothing else at this point to say on this issue.  When more is known, we'll talk then.

Thanks.  @libertybele

[Right_in_Virginia]

Give it a rest @Sanguine

[XenaLee]

If he was truly doing all he can on this...he'd just issue an EO cancelling the EO that Obama signed authorizing DACA and be done with it.

Wait.  You are faulting him for NOT issuing an EO on DACA, which was an abuse of power back when Obama did it, as it circumvented Congress.... not to mention a temporary 'fix' as it can easily be undone by the next Demrat  pres?   And you are anti-Trump, right?  Hmmm......

here's hoping that Trump doesn't take advice from folks that think as you do.   ^-^

[Sanguine]

Give it a rest @Sanguine

@Right_in_Virginia, my feelings are hurt!  Why on earth did you think this was for you, and what did you think it meant?

You're going to make me cry....

[Bigun]

Eh, no, they will self deport once the laws on the books are enforced and they cannot get a job.
 
Federal law says it is illegal to hire someone here illegally.

How would they live if no one will hire them and no benefits are forthcoming?

They came here for the most part as they thought economic conditions would improve for them.  Take away that incentive and they will return.

@IsailedawayfromFR

EXACTLY right!

Enforce the law as it exists today and we have to deport VERY few if any!

[txradioguy]

Wait.  You are faulting him for NOT issuing an EO on DACA, which was an abuse of power back when Obama did it, as it circumvented Congress.... not to mention a temporary 'fix' as it can easily be undone by the next Demrat  pres?   And you are anti-Trump, right?  Hmmm......

here's hoping that Trump doesn't take advice from folks that think as you do.   ^-^

Ummm can you translate that for me...I know no effing clue what you were trying to say.

[INVAR]

So ... are you denying that Trump recently stated that he is open to amnesty for DACA recipients and a pathway to citizenship?  As I recall Trump declared in his 2016 campaign “There will be no amnesty ...“day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.”  Last time I checked RIV, day one and his first hour in office is gone.  So why are you giving him a pass on this?  I would assume that you are o.k. then with amnesty?

As you are discovering, The Trump Invested have faith and hope in their reverend, even when he changes his mind on issues that won him the office and when he cannot get the 'best deals' he promised.   Like all folks invested in a cult of personality, others will and must be blamed for their lack of faith and understanding when promises are not fulfilled. Hoped-for prophecy fulfillment will continue to be believed, because only a strong faith in Trump will help those prophecies come to pass.

'Holding his feet to the fire' is hubris.  Mere mortal men cannot understand the mysteries of Trump.  It is known.

You must have faith in Trump, or you are an infidel who must be condescended to and ridiculed by the Faithful.

[libertybele]

My friend, I've nothing else at this point to say on this issue.  When more is known, we'll talk then.

Thanks.  @libertybele

As you wish RIV.

[libertybele]

As you are discovering, The Trump Invested have faith and hope in their reverend, even when he changes his mind on issues that won him the office and when he cannot get the 'best deals' he promised.   Like all folks invested in a cult of personality, others will and must be blamed for their lack of faith and understanding when promises are not fulfilled. Hoped-for prophecy fulfillment will continue to be believed, because only a strong faith in Trump will help those prophecies come to pass.

'Holding his feet to the fire' is hubris.  Mere mortal men cannot understand the mysteries of Trump.  It is known.

You must have faith in Trump, or you are an infidel who must be condescended to and ridiculed by the Faithful.

Not holding his feet to the fire when his supporters still have the opportunity to keep his promises in check is lunacy.

[XenaLee]

Ummm can you translate that for me...I know no effing clue what you were trying to say.

Ummm.... I was responding to this post of yours where you seemingly fault Trump for not  "doing all he can" by not using an Executive Order to "fix/cancel" DACA.

If he was truly doing all he can on this...he'd just issue an EO cancelling the EO that Obama signed authorizing DACA and be done with it.

Now.... if you still can't understand what I was saying....

can't help ya there.  It's not rocket surgery.   ^-^

[Silver Pines]

I clearly have more faith in the President than do you.  And, I've been right more often than not when it comes to Donald Trump.

@Right_in_Virginia

I guess you do, since you admitted elsewhere that you really do love him.

Faith in and/or love for politicians is extremely foolish.

[libertybele]

Ummm.... I was responding to this post of yours where you seemingly fault Trump for not  "doing all he can" by not using an Executive Order to "fix/cancel" DACA.

Now.... if you still can't understand what I was saying....

can't help ya there.  It's not rocket surgery.   ^-^

Sorry ... Xena -- I had to laugh -- did you mean rocket science?  I've never heard of doing surgery on a rocket?  Just sayin' ... and absolutely no offense meant whatsoever.   

From my understanding ALL of Bammy's e.o.'s can be reversed by Trump -- so why hasn't he done so?  Instead he's asking the SCOTUS to take the case and rule.

[Cyber Liberty]

Sorry ... Xena -- I had to laugh -- did you mean rocket science?  I've never heard of doing surgery on a rocket?  Just sayin' ... and absolutely no offense meant whatsoever.   

From my understanding ALL of Bammy's e.o.'s can be reversed by Trump -- so why hasn't he done so?  Instead he's asking the SCOTUS to take the case and rule.

There's a Judge in Hawaii, backed by the Ninth Circus, who's learned opinion is it's Unconstitutional if Trump issues an EO the Judge doesn't agree with because of policy.  Since the Ninth always upholds his orders, Trump has to continuously go to the SCOTUS to get the order slapped down.

[INVAR]

Not holding his feet to the fire when his supporters still have the opportunity to keep his promises in check is lunacy.

No it's not libertybele, it's called having FAITH in Trump.

Even when it's lunacy.

It's how people invested in a cult of personality think.

All their hopes and dreams have been lofted upon him whom they have placed their trust, and one must retain faith that their Chosen will do as they hope.

If not, it is because we mere mortals cannot comprehend the mysteries being worked out by him who will MAGA!

[Sanguine]

There's a Judge in Hawaii, backed by the Ninth Circus, who's learned opinion is it's Unconstitutional if Trump issues an EO the Judge doesn't agree with because of policy.  Since the Ninth always upholds his orders, Trump has to continuously go to the SCOTUS to get the order slapped down.

Yes, but would it be the same for reversing EO's?

[Emjay]

No it's not libertybele, it's called having FAITH in Trump.

Even when it's lunacy.

It's how people invested in a cult of personality think.

All their hopes and dreams have been lofted upon him whom they have placed their trust, and one must retain faith that their Chosen will do as they hope.

If not, it is because we mere mortals cannot comprehend the mysteries being worked out by him who will MAGA!

I hope you're not lumping all Trump supporters together.  But I think you are.

There are a lot of people on this forum who support Trump without a smidgen of adoration or personal affection.

He has simply been a better president than I expected him to be and, so far, has done no real wrong unless you are mortally offended by tweets.

I find this panic over the current proposal a little over the top.  I'm not sure exactly what is entailed in the bill or how it will affect those currently in the country illegally.

I do know that undocumented aliens can be deported if caught.  So, what the heck is stopping that from happening?  Right now.

[Bigun]

There's a Judge in Hawaii, backed by the Ninth Circus, who's learned opinion is it's Unconstitutional if Trump issues an EO the Judge doesn't agree with because of policy.  Since the Ninth always upholds his orders, Trump has to continuously go to the SCOTUS to get the order slapped down.

No sir he doesn't have to do that at all! He would be well within his rights to just issue the order reversing the Obama order and ignore this idiot judge.

[Cyber Liberty]

No sir he doesn't have to do that at all! He would be well within his rights to just issue the order reversing the Obama order and ignore this idiot judge.

I agree with you.  I wish the Federal Machine (that enforces laws) agreed with us, but they don't.  Especially the parts of the machine that prefers Obastard's policies.   We're the ones being ignored.