Ted Cruz On Trump’s Amnesty Compromise: FORGET IT!

[bilo]

Playing Schumer? I'm still trying to figure out what people don't understand about Trump granting 1.8 million a path to citizenship isn't comprehended? Plain and simple it's amnesty.  Keep in mind that the figure has grown from granting amnesty to 800,000 to 1.8 million!  The only 'people' that are getting played are Trump supporters who are jumping for joy at this and thinking that Trump must have something up his sleeve and they're waiting in anticipation for his next move which will rattle the leftists!! Meanwhile -- he has asked the SCOTUS to consider ruling on DACA -- the only glimmer of hope is if the SCOTUS decides that DACA was unconstitutional to begin with -- but then Trump's already stated that he's willing to grant amnesty -- the grand bargainer played his supporters BIGLY!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/us/politics/trump-immigration-daca-dreamers-path-to-citizenship.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/24/trump-open-to-citizenship-daca-dreamers-367515

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/25/trump-amnesty-cover-18-million-dreamers/

The number is wrong if you figure immediate family can then legally immigrate (so what if they are already here). The actual number grows to around 4-5 million at least.

But as great as that sounds the Rats won't go for it if the wall gets built. They are already winning with the steady drip, drip, drip of illegals coming here and starting families. Look at CA, with the highest poverty rate in the country and now a declared sanctuary state. The Rats know time and demographics are on their side. They don't care about this country. They only want power and control over everyone and if it means ending the republic and creating a totalitarian socialist state they are happy to do it as long as they are the ones in power.

So the only way the Rats agree to anything is if it's amnesty with no wall, no end to chain migration, and no end to the lottery.

[bilo]

He's agreed to give them A PATH to citizenship.   And that makes sense. 

Anything less would be a mortal blow to the GOP brand which, like it or not, is being salvaged by an 'Outsider'.

What's being gained?   An opportunity to disprove the visage that the GOP doesn't care about illegals and Dreamers.

And of course a chance to end Chain-Migration and overhaul our immigration system.

Good points.

In the end I don't see anything getting done, but the Pubs will be able to campaign on the point that unlike the Rats they offered real solutions. It should go well with the suburban soccer mons who love their nannies, housekeepers and lawn service people.

[roamer_1]

Agreed.   Amnesty for the Dreamers is both morally appropriate, and a small price to pay to get at least some of the immigration priorities that conservatives want.   Let's get the best bargain we can and make some incremental progress.   Doing nothing gets us - nothing (no matter how much we bitch and moan about the evil scofflaws who cut our lawns, care for our parents, etc., etc.)

Riiiiight.
Like closing the barn door after all the horses have left.
Sheer stupidity.

And like the last time, I'll bet the money for the wall, supposedly kept in trust, will never go toward building anything.
Just like last time, A promise to pay on Tuesday for a taco today.
Massive amnesty and no fix.

We've played this game before.

[roamer_1]

Trump is only talking about the DACA kids. Everyone knew something other than deportation
was going to happen to the DACA kids.

That's just about everybody who has crossed illegally since 1986

[libertybele]

Riiiiight.
Like closing the barn door after all the horses have left.
Sheer stupidity.

And like the last time, I'll bet the money for the wall, supposedly kept in trust, will never go toward building anything.
Just like last time, A promise to pay on Tuesday for a taco today.
Massive amnesty and no fix.

We've played this game before.

Indeed we have.  To ask for money to be put in trust for a wall?     It'll amount to a slush fund at best.

[roamer_1]

Indeed we have.  To ask for money to be put in trust for a wall?     It'll amount to a slush fund at best.

YEP. I will resort to my old mantra - one said all the way along.

Build the fence. Enforce the law.
Do that for a decade and THEN we can talk about amnesty for whatever is left.

[txradioguy]

This new proposal by Trump is NOT the kind of proposal someone makes after winning the shut down fight.

What he's done is double down on what he bashed the Libs for proposing.

I guess Amnesty Don couldn't let Chuck and Nancy out do him.

[edpc]

This new proposal by Trump is NOT the kind of proposal someone makes after winning the shut down fight.

What he's done is double down on what he bashed the Libs for proposing.

I guess Amnesty Don couldn't let Chuck and Nancy out do him.

No - it’s just his masterful 3D, intergalactic ninja skills in play, once again......


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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I have offered DACA a wonderful deal, including a doubling in the number of recipients & a twelve year pathway to citizenship, for two reasons: (1) Because the Republicans want to fix a long time terrible problem. (2) To show that Democrats do not want to solve DACA, only use it!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, I see Cruz was all over the Sunday talk shows promoting his plan for the Dreamers.   

[Emjay]

Well, I see Cruz was all over the Sunday talk shows promoting his plan for the Dreamers.   

I rushed to see what shows Ted Cruz was on but, sadly, he wasn't on any.

Unless you have info you haven't shared.

[edpc]

Well, I see Cruz was all over the Sunday talk shows promoting his plan for the Dreamers.   

I'm sure he would have been happy to, but he doesn't have any control over what the people booking find topical or important this week - like the flailing Joe Manchin, for instance.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm sure he would have been happy to, but he doesn't have any control over what the people booking find topical or important this week - like the flailing Joe Manchin, for instance.

Yes, of course he doesn't.  Besides, the media would never want to put a wedge between the President and the Senator.   

Or maybe, just maybe, no one cares.   

[Emjay]

Yes, of course he doesn't.  Besides, the media would never want to put a wedge between the President and the Senator.   

Or maybe, just maybe, no one cares.   

I care.  I'd like to see what he has to say on the subject.  Still wondering where you got the info about Ted Cruz being on all the shows.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I care.  I'd like to see what he has to say on the subject.  Still wondering where you got the info about Ted Cruz being on all the shows.

It was sarcasm @Emjay .... my point is Cruz wasn't on the talk shows this morning.   

[Cyber Liberty]

I care.  I'd like to see what he has to say on the subject.  Still wondering where you got the info about Ted Cruz being on all the shows.

I think it might have been sarcasm....

[Sanguine]

I think it might have been sarcasm....

Or, just a fail.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Or, just a fail.

It was sarcasm @Sanguine .... but thanks for playing.

[Emjay]

It was sarcasm @Sanguine .... but thanks for playing.

Maybe you need to put the /S tag on for me.  I scurried around like crazy trying to find Ted anywhere.

He will find a way to get his feelings out on this though.  (not sarcasm.)

[Right_in_Virginia]

Maybe you need to put the /S tag on for me.  I scurried around like crazy trying to find Ted anywhere.  ...

My apologies @Emjay   I assure you there was an absence of malice in my original post.  I truly thought the sarcasm was self evident.

I will do better next time.  Promise.   

[libertybele]

My apologies @Emjay   I assure you there was an absence of malice in my original post.  I truly thought the sarcasm was self evident.

I will do better next time.  Promise.   

I figured it was sarcasm as you're not fond of Cruz.  Cruz has made his feelings known -- "Trump's Amnesty compromise - Forget It!  I think (unless there's a problem with comprehension) that's pretty much a "NO" to amnesty.  If you want to go back over the past several years regarding his stance on amnesty, my hunch is you'd probably be able to do a 'google search'.  Cruz will at least show up on a google search for you.

The issue actually IS Trump has stated that he wants AMNESTY!  To that I say, "NO" and "HELL NO"! and yes, I agree with Ted's "Forget It"!

[Emjay]

I figured it was sarcasm as you're not fond of Cruz.  Cruz has made his feelings known -- "Trump's Amnesty compromise - Forget It!  I think (unless there's a problem with comprehension) that's pretty much a "NO" to amnesty.  If you want to go back over the past several years regarding his stance on amnesty, my hunch is you'd probably be able to do a 'google search'.  Cruz will at least show up on a google search for you.

The issue actually IS Trump has stated that he wants AMNESTY!  To that I say, "NO" and "HELL NO"! and yes, I agree with Ted's "Forget It"!

I am trying to hold my fire on this issue until I find out exactly what Trump is offering and what it will entail.

We need to do something about illegal situation ... it won't go away on its own.

Does Trump's plan give us enough good stuff to outweigh what he's giving up?

That is why I want more details about Cruz's objections.

[corbe]

I am trying to hold my fire on this issue until I find out exactly what Trump is offering and what it will entail.

We need to do something about illegal situation ... it won't go away on its own.

Does Trump's plan give us enough good stuff to outweigh what he's giving up?

That is why I want more details about Cruz's objections.

   That is very level-headed AND Compassionate of you @Emjay, as usual, it's one of the many reasons I am so endeared to your thought process in spite of our differences on some issues. 
   Thanks for being here.  (notice the lack of a /s)

[txradioguy]

Or, just a fail.

I vote fail.

[txradioguy]

No - it’s just his masterful 3D, intergalactic ninja skills in play, once again......


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
10h
I have offered DACA a wonderful deal, including a doubling in the number of recipients & a twelve year pathway to citizenship, for two reasons: (1) Because the Republicans want to fix a long time terrible problem. (2) To show that Democrats do not want to solve DACA, only use it!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

What Amnesty Don doesn't realize is that if he does nothing on DACA...because it's was an EO and not law it's about to expire in a couple months.

The smart move would be to just wait out the clock.

But this is Amnesty Don we're talking about here.

[libertybele]

I am trying to hold my fire on this issue until I find out exactly what Trump is offering and what it will entail.

We need to do something about illegal situation ... it won't go away on its own.

Does Trump's plan give us enough good stuff to outweigh what he's giving up?

That is why I want more details about Cruz's objections.

Nothing outweighs giving up the sovereignty of this country and that's exactly what amnesty will do.  You are right, illegals aren't going to go away on their own.  Take away the benefits and some will self-deport and I believe deportation is warranted.  Offer to those that self-deport a chance to enter legally after 7-10 years (with fines and stipulations) and those that don't self-deport will NEVER have a chance to enter legally.  As for amnesty; FORGET IT!