'New California' declares independence, wants to break off from rest of state to form new one

[SZonian]

Disgruntled California residents want to establish a 51st state — and they want to call it New California.
Organizers of the movement say the Golden State has become "ungovernable," and claim that the U.S. Constitution gives them the right to do something about it.

"We are not changing the country, we are adding to it," co-founder of the movement Paul Preston told the Daily News on Tuesday. "We are forming a new state, we want to become the 51st state."

"New California" would include most of the rural areas in the state — organizers provided a detailed map of what it would look like.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-california-break-rest-state-article-1.3760183

While I'm totally on board, I think this is another "nothing burger".  Some of those SoCal counties turned "blue" last election.  I'd think long and hard about that.

[Frank Cannon]

Good for them. Gods speed.

[DB]

Too late. The state is done. When the tech bubble bursts the state revenue is going to collapse because the state has destroyed everything else.

[Gefn]

Interesting. So LA, SF, and Santa Barbara would secede?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Interesting. So LA, SF, and Santa Barbara would secede?

No they won't.

They will continue to do whatever they please and the law be damned while Threatening to leave.

But they will never leave because without the Federal Teat to keep them afloat they'd all Starve to Death in a month.

[DB]

Interesting. So LA, SF, and Santa Barbara would secede?

I believe "New California" is the blue part based on the description.

[Sanguine]

They're proposing to take all the developed parts of the state as well as its coast.

This is the kind of stupidity one finds in a college dorm bull session.

Maybe your college dorm.  We were brilliant. 

[skeeter]

These dummies are proposing to give up alot of territory thats not necessarily beyond redemption.

The immediate bay area, sacramento and LA county would be enough - the rest of the state is pretty much just like any other part of the country.

[skeeter]

Maybe your college dorm.  We were brilliant.

lol.

I see now those proposing this are trying to secede from the coast.

[WingNot]

Maybe your college dorm.  We were brilliant.

Yep legit Roads Scolars.

[truth_seeker]

II am fine with this arrangement. Bids are open for the Capitol of Old California. San Diego?

Old California is likely still the largest agricultural state, and the political control to enforce the southern border. 

[DB]

II am fine with this arrangement. Bids are open for the Capitol of Old California. San Diego?

Old California is likely still the largest agricultural state, and the political control to enforce the southern border.

"New California" is the blue part...

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

"New California" is the blue part...

Yes and ALL California is 55 Electoral Votes.

Without them in the bag the Rats will never again win the WH.

A 51st State and all is complete nonsense.

[truth_seeker]

I believe "New California" is the blue part based on the description.

I believe the Gold Star and the coastal section are color coded gold and named "New."

[DB]

I believe the Gold Star and the coastal section are color coded gold and named "New."

The description says otherwise: "New California" would include most of the rural areas in the state.

The "California" label is located next to the coast and the "New California" label is located near the interior part. And obviously the blue part includes most of the rural parts of the state.

[truth_seeker]

The description says otherwise: "New California" would include most of the rural areas in the state.

The "California" label is located next to the coast and the "New California" label is located near the interior part. And obviously the blue part includes most of the rural parts of the state.

Whatever. You win.

[DB]

Whatever. You win.

No doubt that it's confusing with poorly done legends. And I read it like you did prior to reading the article. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to clear the confusion.

[truth_seeker]

No doubt that it's confusing with poorly done legends. And I read it like you did prior to reading the article. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to clear the confusion.

No problem. There is a reasonable chance that "conservatism" would be the net winner, since 2 of 4 Senators might be Republicans.

Not many cycles ago, 4 of the 6 most southern coastal counties voted Republican.

San Diego, Orange, Ventura and San Luis Obispo. That is changing fast.   

[DB]

No problem. There is a reasonable chance that "conservatism" would be the net winner, since 2 of 4 Senators might be Republicans.

Not many cycles ago, 4 of the 6 most southern coastal counties voted Republican.

San Diego, Orange, Ventura and San Luis Obispo. That is changing fast.

I'm in SLO county and yes, it was a fairly conservative county not long ago. But it looks like those days are over. The liberal contagion has infected it. Its a beautiful area and I've lived here for 42 years... I expect to be out of California later this year.

[truth_seeker]

I'm in SLO county and yes, it was a fairly conservative county not long ago. But it looks like those days are over. The liberal contagion has infected it. Its a beautiful area and I've lived here for 42 years... I expect to be out of California later this year.

Okay. So where do you go?

[DB]

Okay. So where do you go?

I'm going to AZ. Not that I will like it there but it has the resources I need for our manufacturing business. The business already has an office there for engineering and marketing so moving manufacturing there is most logical. The manufacturing is currently in San Jose and has been there for more than 25 years. The cost of living in AZ is a fraction of what it is here. Just the office space, utilities and immediate taxes will save the business $7k+ a month. The employees that currently live in small apartments in the Bay Area can easily own a nice house in AZ.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Yes and ALL California is 55 Electoral Votes.

Without them in the bag the Rats will never again win the WH.

A 51st State and all is complete nonsense.

The Rats will NEVER allow it to happen. NEVER.

Without California's 55 Electoral votes they are screwed and they know it.

If you think the Sit Down in Congress was ridiculous:



just let the rest of Ca. Try to jettison their Overlords.

The whole CBC, the rest of the Rat Plantation Owners and the Press will croak of oxygen deprivation screaming 1 '-ISM' after another 24/7 if anyone moves an inch in any 51st State direction.

[truth_seeker]

I'm going to AZ. Not that I will like it there but it has the resources I need for our manufacturing business. The business already has an office there for engineering and marketing so moving manufacturing there is most logical. The manufacturing is currently in San Jose and has been there for more than 25 years. The cost of living in AZ is a fraction of what it is here. Just the office space, utilities and immediate taxes will save the business $7k+ a month. The employees that currently live in small apartments in the Bay Area can easily own a nice house in AZ.

Where in AZ?

[DB]

Where in AZ?

Probably Mesa/Gilbert area.

[RetBobbyMI]

I would go with Calvada as a better name.