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Which current Major League Baseball parks have you been to for a game?

Angels - Angel Stadium - Anaheim, CA
5 (12.2%)
Astros - Minute Maid Park - Houston, TX
1 (2.4%)
Athletics - Oakland Alameda County Stadium - Oakland, CA
1 (2.4%)
Blue Jays - Rogers Centre - Toronto, ON
0 (0%)
Braves - Sun Trust Park - Atlanta, GA
1 (2.4%)
Brewers - Miller Park - Milwaukee, WI
0 (0%)
Cardinals - Busch Stadium III - St. Louis, MO
0 (0%)
Cubs - Wrigley Field - Chicago, IL
2 (4.9%)
Diamondbacks - Chase Field - Phoenix, AZ
4 (9.8%)
Dodgers - Dodger Stadium - Los Angeles, CA
6 (14.6%)
Giants - AT&T Park - San Francisco, CA
2 (4.9%)
Indians - Progressive Field - Cleveland, OH
1 (2.4%)
Mariners - Safeco Park - Seattle, WA
0 (0%)
Marlins - Marlins Park - Miami, FL
0 (0%)
Mets - Citi Field - Queens, NYC, NY
0 (0%)
Nationals - Nationals Park - Washington, DC
0 (0%)
Orioles - Oriole Park at Camden Yards - Baltimore, MD
3 (7.3%)
Padres - Petco Park - San Diego, CA
3 (7.3%)
Phillies - Citizens Bank Park - Philadelphia, PA
1 (2.4%)
Pirates - PNC Park - Pittsburgh, PA
1 (2.4%)
Rangers - Globe Life Park in Arlington - Arlington, TX
2 (4.9%)
Rays - Tropicana Field - St. Petersburg, FL
1 (2.4%)
Red Sox - Fenway Park - Boston, MA
1 (2.4%)
Reds - Great American Ball Park - Cincinnati, OH
2 (4.9%)
Rockies - Coors Field - Denver, CO
0 (0%)
Royals - Kauffman Stadium - Kansas City, MO
2 (4.9%)
Tigers - Comerica Park - Detroit, MI
0 (0%)
Twins - Target Field - Minneapolis, MN
1 (2.4%)
White Sox - Guaranteed Rate Field - Chicago, IL
0 (0%)
Yankees - New Yankee Stadium - The Bronx, NYC, NY
1 (2.4%)

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Re: BASEBALL 2018---BRING IT ON!
« Reply #300 on: July 11, 2018, 12:53:25 am »
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« Reply #301 on: July 11, 2018, 01:41:25 am »
Maybe the strangest game ending play I have ever seen.....

https://www.mlb.com/video/tucker-scores-on-error-for-win/c-2257322683?tid=267617572

https://streamable.com/7pgux#%C2%A0
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« Reply #302 on: July 11, 2018, 09:16:43 am »
Maybe the strangest game ending play I have ever seen.....

https://www.mlb.com/video/tucker-scores-on-error-for-win/c-2257322683?tid=267617572

https://streamable.com/7pgux#%C2%A0

I know it is for me and all brought to you by my favorite (NOT) relief pitcher EVEA!  Ken Giles!
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« Reply #303 on: July 11, 2018, 09:19:57 am »
I know it is for me and all brought to you by my favorite (NOT) relief pitcher EVEA!  Ken Giles!

After the FU's Giles threw at AJ last night, we might have just witnessed Giles last game as an Astro.  (At least I can hope)
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« Reply #304 on: July 11, 2018, 09:21:02 am »
After the FU's Giles threw at AJ last night, we might have just witnessed Giles last game as an Astro.  (At least I can hope)

I thought I was the only one that noticed!  I'll hope with you!
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« Reply #305 on: July 11, 2018, 09:26:47 am »
I thought I was the only one that noticed!  I'll hope with you!

Details of Gile's tirade is getting more media traction.  I hope Luhnow / Hinch at least give him a 3 or 4 game suspension for this little outburst.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-Balls-Strikes-More-Ken-Giles-questions-13065230.php
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« Reply #306 on: July 11, 2018, 09:32:21 am »
Details of Gile's tirade is getting more media traction.  I hope Luhnow / Hinch at least give him a 3 or 4 game suspension for this little outburst.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-Balls-Strikes-More-Ken-Giles-questions-13065230.php

Good!  I personally hope the trade his A$$ if they can, put him up on waivers for all I care they can just release the jerk before he causes any REAL trouble!
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« Reply #307 on: July 11, 2018, 09:44:02 am »
Details of Gile's tirade is getting more media traction.  I hope Luhnow / Hinch at least give him a 3 or 4 game suspension for this little outburst.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-Balls-Strikes-More-Ken-Giles-questions-13065230.php

Man, I went to bed and the Astros had a 4-1 lead!
I missed the good stuff.
Heard that Bregman hit a 5 foot "shot", the catcher missed the tag and then overthrew 1st base for the winning run to come home.
I guess Giles meltdown is why we went into extra innings.

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« Reply #308 on: July 11, 2018, 09:49:15 am »
Man, I went to bed and the Astros had a 4-1 lead!
I missed the good stuff.
Heard that Bregman hit a 5 foot "shot", the catcher missed the tag and then overthrew 1st base for the winning run to come home.
I guess Giles meltdown is why we went into extra innings.

Yep!
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« Reply #309 on: July 11, 2018, 04:27:02 pm »
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« Reply #310 on: July 11, 2018, 04:46:41 pm »
Justice was swift....  (Giles optioned to AAA)

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I wonder who they will call up?

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« Reply #311 on: July 11, 2018, 04:47:37 pm »
I wonder who they will call up?

The article does tell us.

Southpaw Cionel Perez will take his place on the active roster.


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« Reply #312 on: July 11, 2018, 05:42:26 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #313 on: August 02, 2018, 11:04:31 pm »
@EasyAce

See what I mean?

The NATS have won 6  of 8 and while they're doing it against the METS and REDS...they're playing their schedule.  Thank God they're not playing over .500 teams.

But they've not even picked up a half game on either the PHILLIES or BRAVES, who've. in the meantime, traded places in 1st and 2nd place respectively.

Harper is being patient and keeping the line moving.  Hit one about 440 ft tonight.  Moving his BA toward .230.
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« Reply #314 on: August 02, 2018, 11:26:27 pm »
@EasyAce

See what I mean?

The NATS have won 6  of 8 and while they're doing it against the METS and REDS...they're playing their schedule.  Thank God they're not playing over .500 teams.

But they've not even picked up a half game on either the PHILLIES or BRAVES, who've. in the meantime, traded places in 1st and 2nd place respectively.

Harper is being patient and keeping the line moving.  Hit one about 440 ft tonight.  Moving his BA toward .230.
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I think the problem Harper had earlier in the season was his timing was a little off. I watched a few games with him. It looked like he wasn't setting comfortably in the box, not getting balanced weight into his swing even when he was hitting the home runs. Remember when he didn't run it out against the Mets last month on that double play grounder? I watched replays of that play. He was about as balanced as the federal budget on that swing, and I'm guessing he probably felt plain disgusted that he had such a terrible swing against a decent pitch to hit. The Harper of last year or the year before would have ripped a line drive out of that one.

I have a feeling the Nats have another move to make---not involving Harper, but involving another pitcher. It looked like Tommy Milhone found what was missing the last couple of years, he pitched very well Wednesday. But I think they make a move for another pitcher shortly. The waiver deadline is 31 August, I think, and they could---could---think about cashing Daniel Murphy in for a starter, now that he's looking healthier and hitting well again. I think the team is mostly solid, and could stay that way if they can get the clubhouse confusion resolved.

You got to admit, Mike Rizzo looks like the second biggest @$$hole in the front offices right now (numero uno just has to be the Astros' Jeff Luhnow)---not because he held onto Harper, but because of his mealy mouth accompanying the trading of Brandon Kintzler (anyone who doesn't believe Kintzler got swapped because Rizzo and/or other Nat officials thought he was the player leaking that the clubhouse was a ball of confusion, offer to sell them a ballpark on the South Pole and you'll get rich) and the way he dumped Shawn Kelley without bothering to get Kelley's side of that "glare" into the dugout. Kelley has said he was looking to see if any help might be forthcoming resolving an apparent contradiction between umps while he worked to Austin Jackson Tuesday night, with one telling him he was in danger of balking and the other telling him to slow it down. (How do you reconcile that to the alleged itch to speed the games up?) And even Dave Martinez said he didn't think Kelley was really trying to show him up.
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« Reply #315 on: August 03, 2018, 09:00:21 am »
Astros/Dodgers this weekend, last year's World Series match up.
Good news:
Correa had his fisrt rehab assignment yesterday in Double A Corpus Christi.
Bad news:
He went 0-2 with 2 strike outs.
Last I heard, reprobate reliever Osuna was supposed to join the team in L.A. this weekend.
We'll see how he's received when the Astros have their next home stand.
Hopefully, this guy is media friendly, as he has a lot of Astros fans he needs to to try and win over.
I will say this, Luhnow made it far more interesting than it had to be, that's for sure.

@EasyAce
As far as Zach Britton went, I understand there was a deal in the works last year that the Orioles blew up at the last minute, which left a bad taste in mouth of the Astro's organization.
I think there was a bit of once-bitten-twice-shy sensation from the Astros this year, leery about trying it again.
One comment I heard was that they were not interested in trading with someone who was going to treat them the way the Orioles did.
Another comment was made that they were not going to go out of their way to "help" the Orioles after the debacle.
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« Reply #316 on: August 03, 2018, 09:44:37 am »

@EasyAce
As far as Zach Britton went, I understand there was a deal in the works last year that the Orioles blew up at the last minute, which left a bad taste in mouth of the Astro's organization.
I think there was a bit of once-bitten-twice-shy sensation from the Astros this year, leery about trying it again.
One comment I heard was that they were not interested in trading with someone who was going to treat them the way the Orioles did.
Another comment was made that they were not going to go out of their way to "help" the Orioles after the debacle.

I have heard other fans of other teams mention that dealing with Angelos family is like dealing with a sleazy used car salesman.   They can keep their crappy team crappy as far as I am concerned.

And on our front...   I have been a huge fan of Luhnow as he has built us up, but this Osuna deal has me shaking my head.  Didn't like it one bit, we don't need that in the clubhouse.
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« Reply #317 on: August 03, 2018, 09:50:13 am »
I have heard other fans of other teams mention that dealing with Angelos family is like dealing with a sleazy used car salesman.   They can keep their crappy team crappy as far as I am concerned.

And on our front...   I have been a huge fan of Luhnow as he has built us up, but this Osuna deal has me shaking my head.  Didn't like it one bit, we don't need that in the clubhouse.


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« Reply #318 on: August 03, 2018, 10:57:01 am »
I have heard other fans of other teams mention that dealing with Angelos family is like dealing with a sleazy used car salesman.   They can keep their crappy team crappy as far as I am concerned.

And on our front...   I have been a huge fan of Luhnow as he has built us up, but this Osuna deal has me shaking my head.  Didn't like it one bit, we don't need that in the clubhouse.


That's my argument,as well.  The Astros really didn't need Osuna so badly, that it would cause us to question the integrity of the organization.
I've been a huge fan of Luhnow, too.
Hopefully, a one time glitch.

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« Reply #319 on: August 03, 2018, 12:52:03 pm »
@EasyAce
As far as Zach Britton went, I understand there was a deal in the works last year that the Orioles blew up at the last minute, which left a bad taste in mouth of the Astro's organization.
I think there was a bit of once-bitten-twice-shy sensation from the Astros this year, leery about trying it again.
One comment I heard was that they were not interested in trading with someone who was going to treat them the way the Orioles did.
Another comment was made that they were not going to go out of their way to "help" the Orioles after the debacle.
@GrouchoTex
I'd heard that about a Britton deal last year. The word was that the Astros were actually willing to cough up Dallas Keuchel in a trade for Britton, but that the Orioles' front office wanted more in the way of prospects coming back as well than the Astros were willing to give up to get him. The Sporting News and others reported then that the Astros put too many prospects on the no-touch list for several teams' tastes including the Orioles. That publication also said this at the time the deal was killed:

(W)hen the Astros thought they had a deal for Britton only to get it nixed after medicals were exchanged it begs the questions: If the Astros were trying to deal players with medical questions were they simply trying to pawn off players in an effort to outsmart their trade partners? Does that really qualify as trying to get a deal done?

Owner Jim Crane certainly wasn't happy about deals not getting done and one in particular that got nixed.

"We had a couple of other deals on the plate," he told ESPN 97.5 Radio in Houston. "They were agreed on in principle. Then medicals were exchanged and they got vetoed at the top."

The problem, though, is that multiple sources have said the deal for Britton with the Orioles never got to the top. This could have been in reference to another trade. So why again would Houston, knowing the Orioles were willing to trade Britton, not offer a good enough deal to get it brought to the owner of the team?


Partial translation: this was one botched deal you couldn't lay at the feet of Orioles owner Peter Angelos. Angelos is nobody's idea of a genius, of course, but this is one you can't enter onto his yellow sheet.

That was last year. This year, when the final full week of July began, it looked like the Astros and the Yankees were running neck-and-neck for Britton. As with last year, Keuchel was in the mix in those talks, with the thought being that the Astros could move Collin McHugh back to the starting rotation since he's been a kind of lost boy in the bullpen. There were a lot of reports in the sporting press saying, too, that the Astros were one of six teams "going all-in" on landing Britton this time around, which meant Britton's price went further up, which meant the Orioles were looking once again for a prospects return in a deal, just as they got when they dealt Manny Machado to the Dodgers. They didn't necessarily want to deal Britton within their division (the Red Sox were also thought to be in the Britton mix; if the Orioles also had thoughts of moving Britton out of the American League entirely, the Cubs showed big interest in him, too) if they could help it, but the right package of prospects would be the clincher.

The Astros still have the prospects to spare. They did as that last full week in July began. They needed Britton more than the Yankees did, whether or not Dallas Keuchel was going to be a factor in a deal this time around. (The Orioles hitting the reset button all the way might still have made Keuchel attractive to them as a rotation anchor and veteran mentor for younger pitching.) The Yankee pen, I say again, was already one of the three deadliest in the American League. They needed Britton about as much as Superman needs cortisone shots. The sole reason, really, for the Yankees to be interested in Britton would have been to keep him away from the Red Sox, a division rival, or the Astros, a likely postseason rival. The only thing to speculate now is that, once again, for who knows what reasons, the Astros weren't willing to part with any prospects despite having them to burn deep. The Yankees likewise have had prospects to spare, deep, and they weren't afraid to deal three of them to get Britton, even if the only thing Britton really did for them on his rental (he's a free agent after the season) is give them a little insurance against the Red Sox, even if the Red Sox right now look like the real beasts in the AL East.

Were there other solid relief options the Astros could have pursued? Yes. They could have gone for Brad Ziegler or Jake Diekman, both of whom ended up with the Diamondbacks. They could have gone for Brandon Kintzler if the Nats were that willing to get rid of what they suspected was a clubhouse whistleblower instead of letting the Nats deal him to the Cubs. They could have gotten Zach Duke from the Twins instead of watch him go to Seattle. They could have gotten another Oriole, Brad Brach---who stepped up to the closer role last year with Britton injured and bagged eleven saves this year before Britton returned, instead of watching the Braves pick him up in a deal.

There was nothing compelling them to settle for Roberto Osuna. Not even the Ken Giles factor. (They could have prodded another trading partner to take Giles as part of the deal on the change-of-scenery line.)
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« Reply #320 on: August 03, 2018, 03:01:00 pm »
There was nothing compelling them to settle for Roberto Osuna. Not even the Ken Giles factor. (They could have prodded another trading partner to take Giles as part of the deal on the change-of-scenery line.)

@EasyAce

I agree with this statement.
While they don't have a legitimate rock star closer, they've done okay without one.
The argument could be made that doing nothing would be better than the Osuna deal.
I wonder if it is some ego driven deal, were Luhnow may have scouted him while with the Cardinals, and didn't land him then, and is still stuck on the guy.
I can fathom the reason behind it.

On the Britton front, for what it's worth, the local media had been claiming that the Astros felt that Orioles weren't trading in good faith before, and that they weren't expected to do it again this time around.
As you've written, " There were a lot of reports in the sporting press saying, too, that the Astros were one of six teams "going all-in" on landing Britton this time around, which meant Britton's price went further up, which meant the Orioles were looking once again for a prospects return in a deal, just as they got when they dealt Manny Machado to the Dodgers."
So, the locals could be wrong about it.

I think some of what drives this is part of Crane/Luhnow strategy. They say they don't want to be the next Kansas City/Miami type small market team that gives away the future for immediate results.
On my way to watch a game, Luhnow was on the radio about 2 weeks ago, saying how KC had that 2-3 year run where they brought up everyone that could get them to the top, with nothing left in the tank for later.
It worked, they won a Series, but the last game I saw had only 3-4 starters from the team that had won it in 2015.
After hearing the Luhnow interview, it doesn't surprise me that their list of untouchable prospects may be longer than the teams they are negotiating with would like it to be.



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« Reply #321 on: August 03, 2018, 04:07:21 pm »
I think some of what drives this is part of Crane/Luhnow strategy. They say they don't want to be the next Kansas City/Miami type small market team that gives away the future for immediate results.
On my way to watch a game, Luhnow was on the radio about 2 weeks ago, saying how KC had that 2-3 year run where they brought up everyone that could get them to the top, with nothing left in the tank for later.
It worked, they won a Series, but the last game I saw had only 3-4 starters from the team that had won it in 2015.
After hearing the Luhnow interview, it doesn't surprise me that their list of untouchable prospects may be longer than the teams they are negotiating with would like it to be.
If the Astros had solid prospects but not a real depth of them, that would be one thing. But their system is deep enough that they could have made a deal for Britton or another close-enough-to-top-shelf relief pitcher with prospects and still not leave the system anywhere near dry. They didn't do all that arduous work rebuilding their system for nothing.

There's another issue to consider in the Osuna deal. Forget for just one moment the baggage he's carrying and consider that he hasn't pitched in three months no matter how good he looked before his arrest and suspension. Now he'll be thrown smack dab into the middle of a pennant race and he may have rust on him. The Astros don't know if they're getting the Osuna who pitched lights out before his arrest and suspension or if they're getting a rusty version who may hurt them on the mound for a long period. Zach Britton had had eight or nine appearances before his trade in which his old form was coming back to him. He was a far better readable entry than Osuna.

Osuna's a risk any way you look at it. The Astro clubhouse was a pretty cohesive one, and a fun loving bunch while they were at it, but the Osuna deal threw a real stink bomb into it. Justin Verlander was only the most vocal about it and even he was forced by the deal to play a wait-and-see game with which he's clearly uncomfortable considering how outspoken he normally is about domestic violence. And, as I've argued elsewhere, Osuna's case is still unresolved one or the other way. Had the Astros waited until after that resolution, and then made a play for Osuna, it could have been read one of two ways:

1) If Osuna is proven guilty, and takes his punishment first, the Astros could deal for him after his punishment is complete and then be seen as willing to give a guy a legitimate second chance.
2) If he's found not guilty, they could have moved for him and borned nothing like the opprobrium with which they were hit (appropriately) by dealing for him now with the case's resolution still not a done deal.

Keep this in mind, too: Luhnow has egg all over his face for proclaiming Osuna's remorsefulness, when Osuna's own attorney told the press he isn't exactly remorseful about the act for which he's accused. That attorney said, and I quote: My client is not remorseful of being guilty of any criminal activity. He's obviously remorseful of the circumstances. I would say he is remorseful for the circumstances in which he finds himself. He isn’t admitting the allegations. He definitely is remorseful in the sense that the circumstances are what they are. None of which suggests Osuna is in the clear or thinks himself in the clear, particularly since he continues to plan pleading not guilty when the case returns to court next month.

And before anybody thinks about playing whatabout regarding this versus, say, a player coming off a suspension involving drugs, keep in mind: A drug abuser hurts himself first. (The dirty little secret of baseball's scandal involving actual or alleged performance-enhancing substances is that most of the players involved in them didn't see considerable statistical spikes and many of those actually saw statistical drops during the times they were believed to have used them. And, yes, you can look it up.) An accused woman beater is being accused of hurting a woman first.



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« Reply #322 on: August 03, 2018, 04:16:44 pm »
@EasyAce

I should have done a bit more proof reading before I sent my last response.

I meant to say,"I can't fathom the reason behind it".


Lance McCullers also expressed his displeasure with the Osuna deal.
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« Reply #323 on: August 03, 2018, 07:39:55 pm »
@EasyAce

I should have done a bit more proof reading before I sent my last response.

I meant to say,"I can't fathom the reason behind it".


Lance McCullers also expressed his displeasure with the Osuna deal.
Add mine, too.
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« Reply #324 on: August 04, 2018, 12:08:48 pm »
Verlander strikes out 14 in the Astros win over the Dodgers last night, 2-1.
Verlaner went 7-2/3rds for the win.
Only 4 hits for both teams, with the Dodgers only run coming on a Peterson lead-off home run.
Springer knocked in the Astros 2 runs.
Rondon closed it, a 4 out save.
Dodgers 1st baseman  Muncey looks like he'll be fun to watch in the future, already tearing the cover off the ball this year.
No Correa or Altuve this series for the Astros.

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« Reply #325 on: August 04, 2018, 12:18:40 pm »

Only 4 hits for both teams, with the Dodgers only run coming on a Peterson lead-off home run.

No Correa or Altuve this series for the Astros.

Good win, but if we don't get out of these offensive doldrums we are going to be in trouble.
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« Reply #326 on: August 04, 2018, 12:25:13 pm »
Good win, but if we don't get out of these offensive doldrums we are going to be in trouble.

Tell me (NATS) about it....... **nononono*
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« Reply #327 on: August 04, 2018, 12:27:24 pm »
Verlander strikes out 14 in the Astros win over the Dodgers last night, 2-1.
Verlaner went 7-2/3rds for the win.
Only 4 hits for both teams, with the Dodgers only run coming on a Peterson lead-off home run.
Springer knocked in the Astros 2 runs.
Rondon closed it, a 4 out save.
Dodgers 1st baseman  Muncey looks like he'll be fun to watch in the future, already tearing the cover off the ball this year.
No Correa or Altuve this series for the Astros.

As a fan of the snakes, I was glad to see that, it gave us the chance to tie up the top slot in the Western Division.
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« Reply #328 on: August 04, 2018, 01:25:09 pm »
Tell me (NATS) about it....... **nononono*

Dang, I hadn't looked that closely at the NL standings for a while. 

Talent alone,  the Nats should make the playoffs.  OTOH, and I don't know how you will take it or respond, but how much of the Nat's woes have to do with Harper's clubhouse presence?

We got a huge argument in our ranks about that issue here after what Osuna might bring. 

Verlander after the Osuna's abuse  event, tweeted a very public FU to him.
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« Reply #329 on: August 04, 2018, 01:52:07 pm »
Dang, I hadn't looked that closely at the NL standings for a while. 

Talent alone,  the Nats should make the playoffs.  OTOH, and I don't know how you will take it or respond, but how much of the Nat's woes have to do with Harper's clubhouse presence?

We got a huge argument in our ranks about that issue here after what Osuna might bring. 

Verlander after the Osuna's abuse  event, tweeted a very public FU to him.

Personally, I don't think Bryce Harper is a clubhouse issue.  He WAS a lineup issue. 

Everybody is entitled to a slump at that level.  It's also his long-awaited contract year.  He's been waiting for this season all his life.

So...it's self-induced pressure.

Since the All-Star Break; his not being traded IF they can make a pennant push...he's a completely different man in the batter's box.

I've seen him hit crisply to left field more times since the AS break than the entire 1st half of the season.  Maybe because he sees the rest of the lineup barreling up?  He's not trying to jack everything.

Right now, they have no place to put Ryan Zimmerman except 1st base.  And forget that, since Adams in putting up serious numbers.

And Robles' return will create a jam fielding outfielders.  Who sits?

Michael A. Taylor?  Who runs like a deer?  Pennant contenders need great defense up the middle.  He's more than adequate defensively.
IMO...his swing is too long.  And he's a lousy guesser.   :laugh:

Murphy at 2nd is the weakest link at 2nd.  But right now, the ball looks huge.

All good problems to have.

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« Reply #330 on: August 04, 2018, 02:07:41 pm »
Dang, I hadn't looked that closely at the NL standings for a while. 

That's OK, nobody does.  Who's led NL West for most of the season?
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« Reply #331 on: August 04, 2018, 02:38:03 pm »
That's OK, nobody does.  Who's led NL West for most of the season?

LOL  Point taken.
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« Reply #332 on: August 04, 2018, 02:41:15 pm »
LOL  Point taken.

Even MLB dot com has been ignoring it in their stories, along with the rest of the nation's sports writers.  :shrug:
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« Reply #333 on: August 04, 2018, 03:02:29 pm »
Personally, I don't think Bryce Harper is a clubhouse issue.  He WAS a lineup issue. 

Everybody is entitled to a slump at that level.  It's also his long-awaited contract year.  He's been waiting for this season all his life.

So...it's self-induced pressure.

Since the All-Star Break; his not being traded IF they can make a pennant push...he's a completely different man in the batter's box.

I've seen him hit crisply to left field more times since the AS break than the entire 1st half of the season.  Maybe because he sees the rest of the lineup barreling up?  He's not trying to jack everything.
It's like I told you on another thread---he looks like he has the right weight balance in the box now. He seemed to have lost that balance earlier in the season. Maybe part of it was the kind of pressure you put on yourself in a walk year, especially the first one of your career, especially when your name keeps coming up in trade rumours, but when you don't have the balance in the box you don't have the consistent accuracy in the swing, no matter how good you are at reading pitchers and working with what they throw you. Right around the All Star break it looked like Harper was beginning to solve his balance problem. His swings have looked far better since, and he's getting results. He doesn't look awkward in the box. (I suspect the turning point have have begun not long after that incident where he whacked into a double play and didn't run it out---probably out of sheer disgust after doing that with a pitch he'd normally rip for a line drive somewhere.) The biggest point in his favour before that was that he was still sharp enough a thinker in the box to be able to take all those walks and get on base anyway.

Right now, they have no place to put Ryan Zimmerman except 1st base.  And forget that, since Adams in putting up serious numbers.

And Robles' return will create a jam fielding outfielders.  Who sits?

Michael A. Taylor?  Who runs like a deer?  Pennant contenders need great defense up the middle.  He's more than adequate defensively.
IMO...his swing is too long.  And he's a lousy guesser.   :laugh:

Murphy at 2nd is the weakest link at 2nd.  But right now, the ball looks huge.

All good problems to have.
If those are their only problems, they should acquit themselves well enough. But watch out for the Braves. They're an anomaly this year---they don't have an all-or-nothing lineup and they're pains in the ass on the bases. That's why they jumped into a pennant race about a year before they were supposed to.


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« Reply #334 on: August 04, 2018, 04:29:58 pm »
It's like I told you on another thread---he looks like he has the right weight balance in the box now. He seemed to have lost that balance earlier in the season. Maybe part of it was the kind of pressure you put on yourself in a walk year, especially the first one of your career, especially when your name keeps coming up in trade rumours, but when you don't have the balance in the box you don't have the consistent accuracy in the swing, no matter how good you are at reading pitchers and working with what they throw you. Right around the All Star break it looked like Harper was beginning to solve his balance problem. His swings have looked far better since, and he's getting results. He doesn't look awkward in the box. (I suspect the turning point have have begun not long after that incident where he whacked into a double play and didn't run it out---probably out of sheer disgust after doing that with a pitch he'd normally rip for a line drive somewhere.) The biggest point in his favour before that was that he was still sharp enough a thinker in the box to be able to take all those walks and get on base anyway.
If those are their only problems, they should acquit themselves well enough. But watch out for the Braves. They're an anomaly this year---they don't have an all-or-nothing lineup and they're pains in the ass on the bases. That's why they jumped into a pennant race about a year before they were supposed to.

LOL!  I'm conflicted because I was an avid O's fan before the NATS showed up.

And IMO, Nick Markakis, who was a Baltimore town fan favorite and now an all-star with the Braves, deserves this stage he's made for himself.
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Even MLB dot com has been ignoring it in their stories, along with the rest of the nation's sports writers.  :shrug:

Strange season.  NL is a free for all, with only about four teams out of the playoff hunt.

Versus the AL, where pretty much everything is set.
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« Reply #337 on: August 05, 2018, 09:41:23 am »
Strange season.  NL is a free for all, with only about four teams out of the playoff hunt.

Versus the AL, where pretty much everything is set.

True.  In NL Central and West, the fourth place teams are less than 10 GB.
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« Reply #338 on: August 07, 2018, 08:42:57 pm »
My 'creepy eyes' still work.

Just as I suspected, ...since the All Star Break, 50% of Bryce Harper's hits have been to left-of-dead center field.

He's batting at a .376 clip and seems to have forgotten the shitty first half.


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« Reply #339 on: August 07, 2018, 09:48:11 pm »
My 'creepy eyes' still work.

Just as I suspected, ...since the All Star Break, 50% of Bryce Harper's hits have been to left-of-dead center field.

He's batting at a .376 clip and seems to have forgotten the shitty first half.


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From the All-Star break through the end of play Sunday, Bryce Harper hit .367 with fourteen runs driven in in fifteen games. And from GM Mike Rizzo telling him the day before the non-waiver deadline that he wasn't going anywhere, even though the Nationals could have gotten a delicious haul of prospects back for him, through Sunday again, Harper hit .471 over those six days.


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« Reply #340 on: August 08, 2018, 01:28:31 pm »
'Childish Bambino' is one of the greatest teenagers in MLB history
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[video at link]

WASHINGTON -- That the Washington Nationals were open to trading Bryce Harper speaks volumes.

First and foremost, it speaks to just how disappointing the first half of the season was, for both Harper and the Nats. Second, and almost as importantly, it speaks to just how good Juan Soto has been.

One of the main arguments against trading Harper, an idea that would've seemed blasphemous not too long ago but gained traction as the deadline approached and the Nats continued to hover around the .500 mark, was about this winter: Regardless of whether it made baseball sense, shipping the star right fielder elsewhere -- or even the mere thought of doing so -- might offend him and/or agent Scott Boras and greatly decrease the odds of Harper re-signing with Washington after his current contract expires.

By all accounts, there were no hard feelings around all the trade talk. "He understands this game as good or better than all of us," general manager Mike Rizzo said of Harper last week. "He would think we're not doing our job if we didn't address everything to try and make this organization better."

more at:   http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24309870/juan-soto-face-nats-bryce-harper

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I REALLY hate this stupid "Watch today's game ONLY on Facebook Live!!" thing.
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« Reply #342 on: August 09, 2018, 01:19:15 pm »
I REALLY hate this stupid "Watch today's game ONLY on Facebook Live!!" thing.
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You can say that again!  I am so pissed at MLB for this...they write off uncounted viewers, while gaining nothing.

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« Reply #343 on: August 09, 2018, 01:22:55 pm »
You can say that again!  I am so pissed at MLB for this...they write off uncounted viewers, while gaining nothing.

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I REALLY hate this stupid "Watch today's game ONLY on Facebook Live!!" thing.
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« Reply #344 on: August 09, 2018, 01:25:56 pm »
I REALLY hate this stupid "Watch today's game ONLY on Facebook Live!!" thing.
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« Reply #345 on: August 09, 2018, 01:31:41 pm »
During the season, every team's fans get a taste of this wonderful idea.

Yep. And it stinks!

I pay for MLB.TV because I'm out of market for my team. I watch a solid 85% of their games,  but I feel cheated when they have one of these ridiculous Facebook games.
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« Reply #346 on: August 09, 2018, 02:02:01 pm »
Yep. And it stinks!

I pay for MLB.TV because I'm out of market for my team. I watch a solid 85% of their games,  but I feel cheated when they have one of these ridiculous Facebook games.

I'm in-market, so MLB-TV is worthless to me.  Even when I travel out of town to my favorite Casino, it's still considered "in-market" because it's the same county, so it's blacked out. I bought that last year so I could watch there, but I ended up not watching a single game, and MLB refused to refund my money.  That shit's expensive.

FB TV is the equivalent of "No TV" for me.  There doesn't seem to be a source to stream the video for my Fire Stick, either, so it's literally "No TV" at my house.

I hope MLB can buy a clue by next season and strangle this baby in the crib.
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Re: BASEBALL 2018---BRING IT ON!
« Reply #347 on: August 21, 2018, 03:02:29 am »
The Orioles are officially eliminated from the Post-Season, the earliest elimination in the Divisional Era (since 1969).

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Re: BASEBALL 2018---BRING IT ON!
« Reply #348 on: August 21, 2018, 10:22:13 am »
As I had posted on another thread, the AL west and the NL west are getting interesting.
As an Astros fan, more interesting that I would like.

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Re: BASEBALL 2018---BRING IT ON!
« Reply #349 on: August 21, 2018, 10:58:10 am »
As I had posted on another thread, the AL west and the NL west are getting interesting.
As an Astros fan, more interesting that I would like.

I have been wondering if it hasn't been purposefully made so by the league controllers. 
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