Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[Free Vulcan]

It's not a new formula.

No it's not, but they've upped it and given it a twist. Drag out a gaggle of women and scream racist is apparently all it takes. They can dredge this stuff out and people will believe it with near impunity it seems, because Americans want to feel so self-righteous today that they'll suck up any gutter gossip they hear as gospel truth.

[Mom MD]

Just heard Jones' speech.  Does this guy have an IQ over 10?

Of course not   He is a baby killing liberal   It goes with the territory

[DiogenesLamp]

What a circus a recount would be

More than what we have already had?  I say bring it on.   It is a proper conclusion to this farce. 

[dfwgator]

Wow   Take that back to TOS where it came from

No I won't, not after that shameful poster that the Jones campaign put out. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Really? He is the most cripple establishment loser we have had as VP since Algore.

I hope the Rats find out Mike is having an affair so we have proof he is not a robot or a martian.

Perfect meme.   

[RetBobbyMI]

U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS

Total Ballots Cast: 1,248,782  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 37.54%  Counties Reported: 67 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 10:05:55 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.

UNITED STATES SENATOR
        
Doug Jones (DEM)   49.68%   619,595
Roy S. Moore (REP)   48.63%   606,396
Write-In   1.69%   21,078
   
1,247,069

[DiogenesLamp]

The media smear didn't lose it for Moore.   He did.  NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.

No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.   

[Mom MD]

I'm fairly certain there will be a recount. No matter who winds up winning.

Name one recount a republican has won  Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus.  The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount

[Suppressed]

The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.

Remember this happening for Harry Reid?  He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...

The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.

Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.

[Frank Cannon]

No I won't, not after that shameful poster that the Jones campaign put out.

LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?

[Bigun]

Of course not   He is a baby killing liberal   It goes with the territory

He's exactly the kind of candidate the swamp loves!  Keep your mouth shut, do what your told, collect your pay, and go home!

[Cyber Liberty]

No it's not, but they've upped it and given it a twist. Drag out a gaggle of women and scream racist is apparently all it takes. They can dredge this stuff out and people will believe it with near impunity it seems, because Americans want to feel so self-righteous today that they'll suck up any gutter gossip they hear as gospel truth.

This version of the formula peeled away our Mothers, Wives and Daughters.  It's not going to get better until they come  back.

[RoosGirl]

LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?

I guess you think we shouldn't have picked our own damn cotton then?

[dfwgator]

LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?

What's racist about saying we never should have had slavery, anyway?

[RetBobbyMI]

He's exactly the kind of candidate the swamp loves!  Keep your mouth shut, do what your told, collect your pay, and go home!

And they’ll be provided with a get out of jail free card for any misdeeds they commit

[DiogenesLamp]

No, it is still Moore's responsibility.  He did a piss poor job of defending himself.

And I suppose if you had been accused of near rape and underage molestation 40 years ago,  you would have had the perfect comeback?   


I think such accusations amplified as they were by the media and Republican party officials who hated him anyway,  no candidate could have dealt with easily.   Those accusations were good for losing him 10% of his previous vote.   

Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.

He was doing just fine until the Republican knives came out.   

[Sighlass]

What a circus a recount would be

Why, because it might change the outcome. Remember the state was required to keep the digital copies of the vote due to a court decision a few days ago. For 6 months. Thus making a recount actually pretty easy.

[Frank Cannon]

Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.

So you want the party to select the primary candidates in states so they can get the person they feel more comfortable with. That's mighty generous of you to look out for the rubes in those states.

BTW your DC pals also HATE other candidates than went on to the general along with your list. Let's see: Cruz, Paul, Lee. Time to get those wacko azzholes the hell out of politics and get these states back in line.

[edpc]

No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.

We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.

[corbe]

   I don't blame President Trump wholly for the loss of this solid Republican seat, I blame the GOP, the NRSC and Mitch, unfortunately Trump is  the CEO of all of them.


*I sure hope Cruz ditches this CF of a party AFTER he wins his re election and goes Constitution or Federalist.

[Free Vulcan]

Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.

Were they though? They said or did one wrong thing and were crucified, even if taken out of context, blown out of proportion, or outright lies. They had equal or far more nuttybar opponents who said or did equally stupid things that got a yawn.

[Frank Cannon]

I guess you think we shouldn't have picked our own damn cotton then?

I don't give a shit who picks it. As long as it makes it to Brooks Brothers in time to get my summer suits and shirts made.

[DiogenesLamp]

Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet

I would contest it even if Jones numbers end up beating out Moore.   The Democrats always bring a lot of vote fraud and ineligible voters to the elections. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

 

Donald J. Trump
 @realDonaldTrump
 Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!
 11:08 PM · Dec 12, 2017

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[dfwgator]

We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.

But don't let that cover up the fact that the media and establishment has lost a lot of credibility, just not quite enough just yet.  But the progress is there.  That's the good news.

[Mom MD]

I would contest it even if Jones numbers end up beating out Moore.   The Democrats always bring a lot of vote fraud and ineligible voters to the elections.

And find even more during recounts

[Bigun]

Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.

And a bad candidate is anyone who refuses to kiss all the proper rings and get the stamp of approval!

[DiogenesLamp]

Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.

He should have been out campaigning because obviously there must have still been two people in the state somewhere that hadn't already made up their mind.   

[dfwgator]

Great message from the President.

We all know Trump didn't want to have to support Moore.  But he was the good soldier just the same. 

[catfish1957]

No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.

The ones who need to be fired are the ones in the GOP who are vetting senate candidates.

[DiogenesLamp]

Only one candidate could have lost, and it was Moore.  And that's who the voters put up.

There you go with that alien thinking again.   Any candidate accused of such things would have been in serious trouble.   Moore might actually have weathered the accusations better than others could have.   

[RetBobbyMI]

   I don't blame President Trump wholly for the loss of this solid Republican seat, I blame the GOP, the NRSC and Mitch, unfortunately Trump is  the CEO of all of them.


*I sure hope Cruz ditches this CF of a party AFTER he wins his re election and goes Constitution or Federalist.

Sure hope so. A new party is sorely needed. The GOP can’t even support their own.

[edpc]

Name one recount a republican has won  Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus.  The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount

Ah - the good old days when a pregnant chad wasn't some trans dude....

[DiogenesLamp]

We still have 51 plus Pence.  I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore.  I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama

I do blame them.   You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil.  We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda. 


People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

And a bad candidate is anyone who refuses to kiss all the proper rings and get the stamp of approval!

There's a lot of truth in that @Bigun  But a bad candidate is also one who doesn't use every moment of his time campaigning, shaking hands --- especially when he's not the swamp's pick.

Moore let us all down with the way he ran his campaign.

[dfwgator]

I do blame them.   You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil.  We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda. 


People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.

No they aren't.   They would have sat out fighting WWII just because they hated FDR.  We are AT WAR, Folks, whether you see it or not.

[DiogenesLamp]

There was a lot of backstabbing of Moore.  But Moore had nothing to run on other than the Ten Commandments and our need to return to God.

Which is probably why he chose to watch the Army-Navy game on Saturday instead of campaigning.

Moore is now a three time loser in a statewide election in Alabama.  Let's hope three times is the limit.

Oh he's done.   But he didn't fall,  he was pushed.   

[Mom MD]

I do blame them.   You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil.  We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda. 


People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.

Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate.  Sometimes the end does not justify the means.  Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil

[edpc]

We still have 51 plus Pence.

True but the 51 includes McCain, Murkowski, Flake, and Collins.

[DiogenesLamp]

It's not a new formula.

Our side has been falling for that formula for a long time.   

[Variant]

There you go with that alien thinking again.   Any candidate accused of such things would have been in serious trouble.   Moore might actually have weathered the accusations better than others could have.

Agree to disagree.  IMO, Moore was the most vulnerable to any sort of accusations.  Trump had the right instincts on this.

Note: I would have pulled the lever for Moore if I were a resident, but not in the primaries.

[Cyber Liberty]

Our side has been falling for that formula for a long time.

Yup.  And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost.  It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it.  Let's see what happens now.

[DiogenesLamp]

Name one recount a republican has won  Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus.  The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount

No,  that's incorrect.   I've read countless analysis of the recount in Florida,  and in every single one of them Bush was going to win it.   

But yes, the Democrats usually manage to steal it in close elections,  but i'm thinking Alabama might not work out like that. 


Besides,  there is nothing to lose from trying. 

[corbe]

    Good Tweet, my anticipation is over.

[Variant]

No,  that's incorrect.   I've read countless analysis of the recount in Florida,  and in every single one of them Bush was going to win it.   

But yes, the Democrats usually manage to steal it in close elections,  but i'm thinking Alabama might not work out like that. 


Besides,  there is nothing to lose from trying.

Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.

Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.

[Bigun]

Yup.  And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost.  It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it.  Let's see what happens now.

We damned well already know who to look at but what good is it?  What are you going to do to stop their doing it over and over again?

[Mom MD]

Yup.  And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost.  It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it.  Let's see what happens now.

I’m not sure where it could go.  The statute of limitations is long past for any legal action.  The only court this could be tried in is that of public opinion.   Moore could sue for slander but it would be very expensive, very hard to prove, and would open him up to discovery.  I bet after some huffing and puffing he drops it.

[Free Vulcan]

Final tally:

Doug Jones    Democrat    671,151    49.9%    
Roy Moore    Republican    650,436    48.4    
Total Write-Ins    â€”    22,819    1.7    

100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)

[Frank Cannon]

    Good Tweet, my anticipation is over.

Does that mean you are going away now so everyone can enjoy their night poll boy?

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.

Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.

The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed.  If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes.  That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.