Matt Lauer terminated from Today Show because of inappropriate behavior

[Bigun]

Right.  For me it wasn't a difficult choice, but it had long term consequences for me and my career, but for which I have no regrets.

The problem with the "feminazi" movement in the late 20th century was that, as in abortion, they CLAIM women should have the choice to work or stay home with children, but they proceeded to ridicule and abase all of us who CHOSE to stay home.

Fortunately, since I was feisty, I didn't pay any attention to social pressure to work and stayed home and loved it.   

 

And your life, and those of your children, are much fuller than they otherwise would have been had you made the other choice. 

My wife and I struggled mightily because we chose that course as well but have NEVER regretted it for a second.  I don't know if young people starting out today even could do what we did and it is truly sad that things have arrived at that juncture! 

[roamer_1]

@musiclady

Well, that was certainly an hyperbolic reply. and all for nothing. 

Look. I don't care a whit for any of that. *NONE*.

What I care about is the things of the Matriarchy, the things historically most dear to the female mind, which are not merely neglected, not just left wanting, but rather, all but gone.

The sheer absurdity of assuming a single sphere of influence where men are in charge and poor women, downtrodden, are chained to the kitchen sink, is so very much bullshit that I nearly didn't reply.

There are two spheres - two entirely different realms. Two wholly different schools of thought. And that is as it should be. The problem is, with women trying to compete in the hall of men's power. inevitably, they cast their own power aside, and their own hall falls into disrepair. The things of women are almost gone. It is not me who disrespects them - I have nothing but the highest praise for the woman's role - and consider it MORE IMPORTANT than the male's - There is nothing more lacking in society today than hearth and home, church and neighborhood. The richness in life that women provide... And our society has grown grim and gray without it, and our children and elders die for the lack of it.

I mourn it's passing, I truly do. You seem to see it as women 'breaking free'. I say that's a damnable lie, and one that women of past generations would have seen right through. You are chasing after shadows.

Now that the two-income family has been set in stone, I can't point to a single woman that I know that wouldn't rather be home with her kids. Not a one. And as a general rule, they are more beset by life, not less.  Day care takes away most of their income, and they are still largely left with the cooking and cleaning, since the old man is working overtime, She winds up still chained to that damned old sink, regardless... The difference being that the finer things that used to be the difference, are all left behind. Because there isn't time for the finer things anymore.

And the funny thing is, women have always been part of business. My family is entrepreneurial by its nature, and either the women folk run the old man's business from home, or they have a business of their own on the side... and that has always been their way. What has been gained is incidental. What has been lost... Priceless.

[Cyber Liberty]

[RoosGirl]

LOL

Hate is the wrong word.  It's jealousy and competition surrounding who is best at making men think we're hard to understand.

[Bigun]

[RoosGirl]

That's Volune 1, Birth through Year 1.

[mountaineer]

After Lauer, it's time we talk seriously about the culture at NBC
by Becket Adams | Dec 1, 2017, 4:45 PM
Washington Examiner

...   NBC’s ethically dubious handling of accusations of sexual misconduct isn’t new. In 1999, for example, the network held its exclusive interview of Juanita Broaddrick, who claims Bill Clinton raped her in the 1970s, until after the president had been acquitted on two articles of impeachment.   ...

And as recently as this week, after reports surfaced alleging Lauer harassed subordinates and even sexually assaulted one, both Variety and the New York Times have produced sources claiming NBC executives were aware of their talent’s reportedly monstrous behavior. These same sources also claim NBC brass made no effort to stop it.    ...    Entire article at Washington Times

[Bigun]

That's Volune 1, Birth through Year 1.

Yes! And the fly leaf has a great big WARNING!  Rules are subject to change at any moment!

[musiclady]

And your life, and those of your children, are much fuller than they otherwise would have been had you made the other choice. 

My wife and I struggled mightily because we chose that course as well but have NEVER regretted it for a second.  I don't know if young people starting out today even could do what we did and it is truly sad that things have arrived at that juncture!

That's true.  Young people today don't understand sacrifice, and seem to want to start out where their parents ended up.  A lot of families gave up the frills in life (considered necessities, but weren't) in order to provide a stable loving home for their children.

I don't think any of us ever regretted that decision.   

I might have been a full professor with a PhD, and a conductor of renown, but I took the great gift God gave me in being "Mommy" extremely seriously instead, and the benefits have been boundless.

@Bigun

[Bigun]

That's true.  Young people today don't understand sacrifice, and seem to want to start out where their parents ended up.  A lot of families gave up the frills in life (considered necessities, but weren't) in order to provide a stable loving home for their children.

I don't think any of us ever regretted that decision.   

I might have been a full professor with a PhD, and a conductor of renown, but I took the great gift God gave me in being "Mommy" extremely seriously instead, and the benefits have been boundless.

@Bigun

@musiclady

And will continue to be I suspect. 

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Well, that was certainly an hyperbolic reply. and all for nothing. 

It wasn't hyperbolic, it was historically accurate sarcasm, and I labeled it as such.

Making a point that you don't really know how far back you want to go to reach the goal you claim to want.

What I care about is the things of the Matriarchy, the things historically most dear to the female mind, which are not merely neglected, not just left wanting, but rather, all but gone.

The sheer absurdity of assuming a single sphere of influence where men are in charge and poor women, downtrodden, are chained to the kitchen sink, is so very much bullshit that I nearly didn't reply.

There are two spheres - two entirely different realms. Two wholly different schools of thought. And that is as it should be. The problem is, with women trying to compete in the hall of men's power. inevitably, they cast their own power aside, and their own hall falls into disrepair. The things of women are almost gone. It is not me who disrespects them - I have nothing but the highest praise for the woman's role - and consider it MORE IMPORTANT than the male's - There is nothing more lacking in society today than hearth and home, church and neighborhood. The richness in life that women provide... And our society has grown grim and gray without it, and our children and elders die for the lack of it.

Again, your idealization of the past doesn't really mesh with the reality of the situation. 

btw, my hearth and home are doing great. 

I mourn it's passing, I truly do. You seem to see it as women 'breaking free'. I say that's a damnable lie, and one that women of past generations would have seen right through. You are chasing after shadows.

Actually, I am rejoicing that women who were suited to be doctors can be doctors.  That women who are gifted in business can now participate in business (as the Proverbs 31 woman did).  That women who never marry are not subjected to the will of their fathers (check out Bill Gothard for that), that women without children have the choice to pursue a career rather than sit at home.  I didn't "break free" of my maternal role, but I have unmarried and childless friends who ought to have choices, and they didn't used to.  In your golden age, being unmarried was a curse and being childless was a shame.  I thank God those days are gone.

Now that the two-income family has been set in stone, I can't point to a single woman that I know that wouldn't rather be home with her kids. Not a one. And as a general rule, they are more beset by life, not less.  Day care takes away most of their income, and they are still largely left with the cooking and cleaning, since the old man is working overtime, She winds up still chained to that damned old sink, regardless... The difference being that the finer things that used to be the difference, are all left behind. Because there isn't time for the finer things anymore.

And the funny thing is, women have always been part of business. My family is entrepreneurial by its nature, and either the women folk run the old man's business from home, or they have a business of their own on the side... and that has always been their way. What has been gained is incidental. What has been lost... Priceless.

You paint a very dark picture of today's world.  I know many, many couples where the woman works and the jobs at home are distributed fairly, and where the couple has a loving, respectful marriage.

I don't think that two incomes are necessary  in most cases, if sacrifices are willing to be made.  But it is a very short time when children are in need of a full time parent before school begins.  The rest of the time, women should be able to work at whatever God has gifted them to do.

[RoosGirl]

We are talking past each other.

[musiclady]

We are talking past each other.

Yes, we are...... and I suspect that none of us is very far in values from the others.

I think I've made my point here, and will continue to try to balance conversations on similar subjects, since I probably have the minority view here (not a problem with that.  Independent thought is my strong suit.).

The leftist extremism and hateful rhetoric has negatively influenced a lot of people when it comes to women's roles, but I truly think there are very few conservatives who don't respect the contributions women bring to the table in all venues.


But back to the subject of the thread.............. I still think Matt Lauer is devoid of character, and I hope he gets his just desserts.

[edpc]

I hope he gets his just desserts.

Licorice whips?

[Cyber Liberty]

Licorice whips?

I think that's not a whip, but a "flogger."  Don't ask me how I know that.

[INVAR]

I think that's not a whip, but a "flogger."  Don't ask me how I know that.

Oh we know how.

You've been seeing @RoosGirl when Frank has been passed out in his van out in front of her place:

I can massage that for you.

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh we know how.

You've been seeing @RoosGirl when Frank has been passed out in his van out in front of her place:

That's a rather specific flogger, a "Cat O' Nine Tails."

[musiclady]

@musiclady

And will continue to be I suspect.

Indeed, because I am now a Grandma, and can nurture and love my grandson as I did my own kids.


Without the diapers.  ^-^

[Bigun]

Indeed, because I am now a Grandma, and can nurture and love my grandson as I did my own kids.


Without the diapers.  ^-^

Your job is to spoil the little guy rotten and then give him back to his parents!   

[musiclady]

One last thought for you, @roamer_1 and then I will leave this alone.....

What your 'schools of thought' and lofty theories with rose colored glasses to the past ignore is what we should all value highly in this country.......... individuality.   Just as men can't be all squeezed into a cultural mold, neither can women.... and that is exactly what your theory is trying to do.

Let me share a bit about myself (at personal risk, I might add).   When I was a young girl in the 1950's, my friends and I played "house"....... mostly out in the woods where we practically lived.  We used to fight over who got to be the Dad because the Mom had to stay home, and the Dad got to go adventuring.

That IS the way it was in the rosy 1950's.  Women were restricted.  Men were not.

I have always been an adventurer, a competitor, an athlete and a debater.  I was born that way.  No "movement" made me different from the mold I was supposed to fit in.    I was literally told in my late childhood that I had to stop playing baseball because I was a girl and when I grew up I couldn't do those "boy" things.  It devastated me, because, aside from music, sports was who I was.  I fought the system you advocate to be an individual and to explore.

You may or may not remember that my husband and I took the Lewis and Clark trail all the way to Oregon and back (8,000 miles!), and we hiked and canoed and adventured.  A few years back, we hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon.   Not many of my peers do those kinds of things, but that's who I am, and it doesn't fit in well with sitting at home and knitting afghans.

But in spite of that nature, I think being a Mom was the highest calling I had, and I loved every minute of it, but I absolutely hate to sew, and wouldn't do it if I were paid.

You see, we don't fit into a neat little theoretical mold that you can cite on the Internet.

But I will leave this discussion with some encouragement for you that you don't seem to be aware of.  I have many, many friends and family members who are women who absolutely ADORE doing the "women" things you think we all need to do to be the right kind of woman.  Lots of them sew and bake and do all kinds of domestic things and love it.

So you see, the world is not lost just because some of us want to be different than you think all of us should be.....

[musiclady]

Your job is to spoil the little guy rotten and then give him back to his parents!   

I KNOW! 

He's only 2 1/2 weeks now, but all I've had to do is hold him and sing to him and give him all the warmth and love I have in me.

It's HEAVEN!!

[INVAR]

That's a rather specific flogger, a "Cat O' Nine Tails."

Details.... details. 

Your knowledge of specific torture devices is quite impressive.

Do you have your own dungeon?

[Cyber Liberty]

We are talking past each other.

@RoosGirl
@musiclady

I've been watching this tread very much, and I love and respect the two of you very, very much.  Watching two friends fighting makes me uncomfortable, especially over a simple misunderstanding.

[Cyber Liberty]

Details.... details. 

Your knowledge of specific torture devices is quite impressive.

Do you have your own dungeon?

LOL.  No, I just remember I had to get one of those after taking it off an enemy, after having used my Mace.

[Sanguine]

LOL.  No, I just remember I had to get one of those after taking it off an enemy, after having used my Mace.

Sounds like quite a story in there.