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by Ian Hanchett13 Nov 201715,631

On Monday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Fox News @ Night,” Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill (R) said that the Alabama Republican Party can formally pull its support for its Senate nominee Judge Roy Moore, and if this happens and Moore still gets the most votes, the election would be null and void.

Merrill said Moore could withdraw from the race, or the state Republican Party could formally pull its support. He further stated that if that happens and Moore receives the most votes, “our election would be declared null and void, and Governor Ivey would have to call another special election, and we’d start the process all over again.”

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Just breaking on Fox the RNC has pulled all support of Moore
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Just breaking on Fox the RNC has pulled all support of Moore

RNC never supported Moore. This Sec of State is talking about the state party pulling support.

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Republican National Committee drops Roy Moore amid the Alabama Senate candidate's sexual misconduct scandal
http://www.businessinsider.com/republican-national-committee-withdraws-support-of-roy-moore-sexual-misconduct-2017-11

I thought this was done a few days so whatever.

I've seen that Secretary of State John Merrill on Fox, well, seems like a good guy. All of this will make for some frayed nerves should they do it... and ... I'll say the State GOP will do that... it just seems to be how business is conducted....

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I had never heard about this loophole.

In other words, if they do this, it essentially becomes an up-or-down vote on Doug Jones. Hmm… the plot thickens. :smokin:
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Wow ... guilty without a trial.  This really sickens me.
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Wow ... guilty without a trial.  This really sickens me.

Yep, even worse "guilty" by pre-election slime.

That alone, makes the "charges" specious. Shame any would advance them on the "conservative" side.
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So now what would the party have to do in order to accomplish this?   What do the rules say about their ability to overturn the will of the voters?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2017, 02:01:50 am by Bigun »
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So now what would the party have to do in order to accomplish this?   What do the rules say about their ability to overturn the will of the voters?

The rules are what the Oligarchy say they are at any given moment - and they will change the rules and declare them changed right in front of your face without any legitimate input from any of us.

To wit: the last two Republican Party Conventions.

As I've said - we have arrived at the place where the Corrupt Oligarchy running the country will now simply TELL US who will rule us and how they will rule us.

And you can all pretend you have a voice with your "vote" - when it means jack shit in this day and age.
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Sumthin' tells me that the Alabama state Republican officials gots 'em more sense than the R.N.C. ...

I could be wrong.

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I thought this was done a few days so whatever.
That was the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee a few days ago.


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That was the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee a few days ago.

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Merrill said Moore could withdraw from the race, or the state Republican Party could formally pull its support. He further stated that if that happens and Moore receives the most votes, “our election would be declared null and void, and Governor Ivey would have to call another special election, and we’d start the process all over again.”
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Whatever the Alabama Secretary of State says, is the way it is in that state.

Moore made a speech tonight at a God Save the County church revival. He started off with quotes from the Bible, talked about that scripture, then spoke briefly about the false attacks on him, then said he didn't want to talk about that but wanted to talk about the country and God (it was something like that), then CNN cut away from it.  He is not going to quit.

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What the Republican party of Alabama REALLY "thinks"...
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/alabama-gop-threatens-retaliation-disloyalty-moore-n820876

Alabama GOP Threatens Retaliation for Disloyalty to Moore
by ALEX SEITZ-WALD and PHIL HELSEL

WASHINGTON — Republicans in Washington may be abandoning Roy Moore by the droves. But in Alabama, the GOP has Moore's back and is threatening retribution against defectors.

The chairwoman of the Alabama Republican Party warned she's ready to enforce strict rules on party purity in the state's Senate race, even if it means kicking GOP candidates off the ballot in future elections.

"It would be a serious error for any current elected GOP official or candidate to publicly endorse another party's candidate, an independent, a third party or a write in candidate in a general election as well,” Alabama GOP Chairwoman Terry Lathan told the Alabama Political Reporter. "I have heard of no GOP elected official or candidate that is even considering this option."

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The chairwoman of the Alabama Republican Party warned she's ready to enforce strict rules on party purity in the state's Senate race, even if it means kicking GOP candidates off the ballot in future elections.

"It would be a serious error for any current elected GOP official or candidate to publicly endorse another party's candidate, an independent, a third party or a write in candidate in a general election as well,” Alabama GOP Chairwoman Terry Lathan told the Alabama Political Reporter. "I have heard of no GOP elected official or candidate that is even considering this option."
What if that means assorted Alabama Republican officeholders and candidates simply dummy up
and refuse to endorse anyone?


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So now what would the party have to do in order to accomplish this?   What do the rules say about their ability to overturn the will of the voters?

In Iowa, the party can't do jack. If you get on the ballot and win, you've won.

Especially for a federal seat. I don't know anywhere that the state party has any say over the winner of a federal election.
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In Iowa, the party can't do jack. If you get on the ballot and win, you've won.

Especially for a federal seat. I don't know anywhere that the state party has any say over the winner of a federal election.

Technically this is a state election run by the AL Sec of State. The only federal elections are for President and Vice President. Hell, up until 1913, state legislators picked the Senator.

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This time around it may be Alabama,  not South Carolina,  that is the "first battle."

If you understand my analogy...


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The rules are what the Oligarchy say they are at any given moment - and they will change the rules and declare them changed right in front of your face without any legitimate input from any of us.

To wit: the last two Republican Party Conventions.

As I've said - we have arrived at the place where the Corrupt Oligarchy running the country will now simply TELL US who will rule us and how they will rule us.

And you can all pretend you have a voice with your "vote" - when it means jack shit in this day and age.

Brings to mind a quote of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Alcee Hastings was actually impeached as a judge and serves in the House.  Go figure.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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This is the key to how this will all come down.   The Alabama GOP is a private organization, and the ballot lists Moore as its nominee.   It can withdraw that nomination,  and if Moore wins, the election will be deemed null and void.   Moore,  whose political reputation is based on resistance and defiance of the law,  probably can't persuaded to withdraw,  but the local party can yank its support regardless.

The key to avoiding disaster is to have the Alabama GOP withdraw its support quickly,  thereby raising pressure on the Governor of Alabama to postpone the special election to allow the Alabama party time to find another nominee (maybe Jeff Sessions himself).

The most likely result is still a Doug Jones victory,  although the specter of an invalid nominee on the ballot essentially turns the race into an up or down referendum on Mr. Jones.   He wins, he's the Senator; Moore wins,  a new election is called. 

The Wall Street Journal this morning opined as follows:

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In the event Mr. Moore refuses to drop out in the next day or so, President Trump might have more sway if he suggests that he leave the race.  If Mr. Trump won't do that, then the GOP will be better off if Mr. Moore loses, despite the blow to its Senate majority.  Democrats and the media will make Mr. Moore the running mate of every Republican in 2018. 

Alabama's Republican voters are in a tough spot, and ideally they'd at least get the chance to choose between a prominent write-in candidate or opt for sending a message by voting for the Democrat.  For 25 years Democrats and feminists euphemized and apologized for Bill Clinton, starting with Gennifer Flowers before he was President.  Republicans can show their standards are better.   
   

This is the choice the Alabama GOP (and indeed, Alabama Christians) must make -  to make a stand to be better and less cynical than the Democrats on the issue of CHARACTER MATTERS.   
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This is the choice the Alabama GOP (and indeed, Alabama Christians) must make -  to make a stand to be better and less cynical than the Democrats on the issue of CHARACTER MATTERS.

The 17th Amendment matters.  It was passed because of the corruption in state legislatures.  Now that they’ve give the people power for the direct election of senators, they can’t whine about who is chosen.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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The 17th Amendment matters.  It was passed because of the corruption in state legislatures.  Now that they’ve give the people power for the direct election of senators, they can’t whine about who is chosen.

It was passed to cut one party (the states) completely out of the process in the fedgov and we have seen the result MANY times since! 
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This time around it may be Alabama,  not South Carolina,  that is the "first battle."

If you understand my analogy...

I don't think Alabama was ever 80% slave like SC was. They should have been given the right to vote then.