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I remember in an interview a woman who ran from the concert said
something about trying to go into Hooters, but it was not safe.
I wish I could remember exactly everything she said about Hooters...
but she did say it was not safe and she kept running.


VEGAS BOMBSHELL: VIDEO SHOWS 17 AMBULANCES PULLING BODIES OUT OF HOOTERS

" Video captured night of the Oct. 1 massacre reveals LVMPD and FBI are withholding key details about what actually transpired

LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — On the night of October 1, Youtuber Benjamin Franks and his friend had just grabbed some tacos and were heading back to their hotel room at the MGM when they noticed a separate disturbance at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana Ave.

15-minutes later, from the leisure of his hotel room, Franks managed to capture bombshell video footage which shows a total of 17 ambulances removing human bodies from Hooters, contradicting the official story told by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo. "

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http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/10/vegas-bombshell-video-shows-17-ambulances-pulling-bodies-out-of-hooters/



« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 12:08:19 am by KingsX »

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 02:09:30 am »
Thanks for posting this King, I hadn't heard about this.

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 02:22:49 am »
I'm not sure what the incentive would be in covering this up?

For example the JFK assassination could have been covered up because if there was Russian involvement, it may have meant nuclear war at the time. Trump says he is releasing classified documents from that November 1963 event, so that will be interesting.

The only reason I mentioned JFK is that we are already at war with ISIS, they claimed responsibility for the Las Vegas murders, and I believe it's entirely possible that the killer may have converted to Islam six months ago as ISIS has claimed. So if it was ISIS, why any cover up about it?

Frankly, it did strike me as odd that within a day, the FBI came out and emphatically stated that ISIS had nothing to do with the killing. Why not allow all the evidence to be presented before stating something such as that?

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 02:37:51 am »
I don't see any bodies being pulled out of Hooters.  I'm not even sure I see ambulances.  All I see are flashing lights.   And how do we know this video was recorded on October 1?

This video is also featured on Alex Jones' Infowars site.  That alone makes me suspicious this is another conspiracy theory or hoax.

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 05:11:47 am »
Alex Jones and Infowars.....what more needs to be said?

If there was ambulaces there, it is probably a sraging area for the concert shooting.   What motive would they have to hide a mass shooting at Hooters, and whats more, how could it be covered up? It cant.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 08:37:47 am »
IIRC, there was a cab driver video which mentioned that Hooters was not safe. I found this interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Initial reports said there were multiple (at least two) shooters in more than one location, and this supports the original accounts. The lady who died about a week later (who was not wounded) had said there were multiple shooters, some she thought to be at ground level.

I'm not grinding an axe or pushing some conspiracy theory. I just want to know the answer.

See also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK1SZhVC9sg (Bellagio)

and 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACuz7-D1-Dk (Planet Hollywood)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPyfGkWYnHY(Planet Hollywood)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvActO9U8eI(Hooters, Tropicana, and NY NY)
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 09:14:18 am »
IIRC, there was a cab driver video which mentioned that Hooters was not safe. I found this interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Initial reports said there were multiple (at least two) shooters in more than one location, and this supports the original accounts. The lady who died about a week later (who was not wounded) had said there were multiple shooters, some she thought to be at ground level.

I'm not grinding an axe or pushing some conspiracy theory. I just want to know the answer.

Mike Adams is not a reliable source for anything. He asserts all kinds of things about many different subjects that are not backed up by fact or truth. He's an Alex Jones' mini-me tying to build his own lucrative following in my opinion. As soon as I see "Natural News" or "Mike Adams" as the source I ignore it. I've read too many articles by him in the past that were clearly BS to given him any credence anymore.


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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 10:28:08 am »
The "proof" of these conspiracy theories usually consists of a  photograph or video and a narrator making claims about what we are seeing.  I remember during the Obama administration, a photograph of the back of a commercial building was circulated with the claim that the building was the barracks of a FEMA camp which the Obama administration was building to house political prisoners.  Turned out the owner of the building came forward with photographs of the front and interior of the building.   It was a warehouse and the inside was crammed full of assorted materials.  Don't know how you would fit prisoners in there. 

It's bad enough we are getting misinformation, disinformation or no information from law enforcement investigating this shooting.  We don't need conspiracy nuts looking for money and/or their 15 minutes of fame by spreading fear and suspicion.  Of course, if the FBI (which IMO is running and maybe screwing up the investigation) would be more forthcoming,  maybe we wouldn't have all these rumors and conspiracy theories.

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 10:41:11 am »
Mike Adams is not a reliable source for anything. He asserts all kinds of things about many different subjects that are not backed up by fact or truth. He's an Alex Jones' mini-me tying to build his own lucrative following in my opinion. As soon as I see "Natural News" or "Mike Adams" as the source I ignore it. I've read too many articles by him in the past that were clearly BS to given him any credence anymore.
I don't have the setup to do acoustic analysis, but the basic premise is valid. The bullet will arrive before the sound of the firearm being fired, much like the light of a lightning bolt arrives before thunder. If the sounds can be sorted out, and the caliber(s) of the rounds are known (presumably both the firearms and some of the ammo were recovered) the distance can be calculated by the time between the bullet impact and the report of the firearm.
The only difficulties I see with the method involve isolating the sound of the last bullet strike and the last report from any given firearm. While I noticed that some of the equipment he mentioned has no use whatsoever in acoustic analysis, and that stunk a bit, the basic premise is sound, provided those sounds can be isolated.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 10:53:41 am »
This place is becoming a forum for kooks to air their conspiracy theories.

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 11:06:51 am »
This place is becoming a forum for kooks to air their conspiracy theories.
What conspiracy theory?

There were multiple reports of multiple shooters at multiple locations. There was even one such report overheard on the TV in the linked video.

No theory, just gathering data from eyewitness accounts before it disappears.

 I posted the first in that group of links to point out that yes, the time from the bullet impact to the sound of the rifle would give the distance of the shooter. If there are different time lags, that means multiple shooters, or calibers with very different ballistic characteristics provided those sounds can be sorted out. I don't pretend to know whether the guy is a whackjob or not, bit the basic science is valid, and the phenomenon is one I noticed seeing the geysers of projectile impacts in the Potomac while working on a seawall crew when I was much younger, then hearing the naval guns firing at Dahlgren, VA a couple seconds later.

That differential is the same thing people use to determine how far lightning is away, by using the time difference between the light of the flash and the arrival of the thunderclap, only in this case, the bullet is supersonic.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 11:19:05 am »
Reports of second massacre at Hooters night of Las Vegas tragedy are false

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/reports-second-massacre-hooters-night-las-vegas-tragedy-false/2017/10/22

Hooters Casino Dealer Describes Scene Near Las Vegas Shooting

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555170283/hooters-casino-dealer-describes-scene-near-las-vegas-shooting
That might explain having as many as a dozen (or more) ambulances congregated there, but relatively few police units. only about half of those ambulances which spent any amount of time there left during the hour of video. leaving a dozen or so sitting, meanwhile people were going to hospitals in the back of pickup trucks and in taxicabs. Why not get the other ambulances (or more of them) to the venue if the (reportedly lone) shooter was dead?
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2017, 11:21:56 am »
I don't have the setup to do acoustic analysis, but the basic premise is valid. The bullet will arrive before the sound of the firearm being fired, much like the light of a lightning bolt arrives before thunder. If the sounds can be sorted out, and the caliber(s) of the rounds are known (presumably both the firearms and some of the ammo were recovered) the distance can be calculated by the time between the bullet impact and the report of the firearm.
The only difficulties I see with the method involve isolating the sound of the last bullet strike and the last report from any given firearm. While I noticed that some of the equipment he mentioned has no use whatsoever in acoustic analysis, and that stunk a bit, the basic premise is sound, provided those sounds can be isolated.

Many of these people use logical analysis making it sound reasonable but with a few key pieces adjusted to arrive at a completely different conclusion...

If I remember correctly the distance was about 1200 feet. The sound would take about a second to arrive while the bullet would hit about 0.6 seconds before the sound arrived. The bullet striking something is going to make noise locally and all these sounds are going to be echoing off all the surrounding buildings, ground, etc. with potentially much longer delays. And on top of all that about 3 bullets would have hit before the sound from the gun was first heard due to the rapid fire rate.

It would seem likely that the bump stock has some variability between each shot so a careful analysis of the sound recordings should be able to isolate the echo sequences that will have the exact same variability only with different amplitude/frequency distribution and time offsets.

But overall what I'm saying is Mike Adams isn't worth your time. I believe he's a "truther" too. If you do a quick search of "Mike Adams" you will find lots of things like this:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/05/18/mike-adams-blustering-scoundrel/


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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 11:36:05 am »
This place is becoming a forum for kooks to air their conspiracy theories.

I'm beginning to think so.  But I also believe that because of the vacuum being created by the persons and agencies in charge of the investigation, people are desperate for an explanation.  So they will fall for anything they read, see or hear and spread it around.  They may mean well, but disseminating gossip, rumors and downright hoaxes does more harm than good.

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 11:45:09 am »
What conspiracy theory?

There were multiple reports of multiple shooters at multiple locations. There was even one such report overheard on the TV in the linked video.

No theory, just gathering data from eyewitness accounts before it disappears.

 I posted the first in that group of links to point out that yes, the time from the bullet impact to the sound of the rifle would give the distance of the shooter. If there are different time lags, that means multiple shooters, or calibers with very different ballistic characteristics provided those sounds can be sorted out. I don't pretend to know whether the guy is a whackjob or not, bit the basic science is valid, and the phenomenon is one I noticed seeing the geysers of projectile impacts in the Potomac while working on a seawall crew when I was much younger, then hearing the naval guns firing at Dahlgren, VA a couple seconds later.

That differential is the same thing people use to determine how far lightning is away, by using the time difference between the light of the flash and the arrival of the thunderclap, only in this case, the bullet is supersonic.

I don't due youtube on the computer, so forgive me if I'm muddying the waters here, but does this analysis take into account the third party?  In the lightning example, there are two parties, the source and the observer.  But if we have three parties, shooter/victim/observer, it becomes more complicated to (I believe, kind of groggy this am) impossible (in the case where the observer cannot see the muzzle flash -- and therefore is also hearing a reflection of the sound) to locate/distance the shooter.

Just thinking out loud.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 12:02:18 pm »
What is it going to take to get a good old-fashioned ZOT going around here, anyway?
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 12:24:04 pm »
I'm beginning to think so.  But I also believe that because of the vacuum being created by the persons and agencies in charge of the investigation, people are desperate for an explanation.  So they will fall for anything they read, see or hear and spread it around.  They may mean well, but disseminating gossip, rumors and downright hoaxes does more harm than good.
What is wrong with us addressing those flawed reports right here?

If we can stop accounts of events that simply do not work (and not just because someone says so, but with facts, witnesses, logic, etc.), let's do it.
I would think we can discuss the various theories out there without being married to them, and discard those which do not fit the facts. What's more, I think we can find facts, too.

Some stuff enters the 'X-Files' realm of whether or not people want to believe, but there are such things as eyewitness accounts, timelines, and what physical evidence we can find out about or that officials will release. More than ever, that stuff is available on the web. Some of it will be BS, some will be there for the purpose of getting a paycheck. The more egregious nonsense will be easy enough to (pardon the expression) shoot down in flames.

Sometimes the official accounts don't hold water, either.  (Twin Peaks in Waco TX, Mt Carmel, same area, Ruby Ridge, ID, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Bubba and Loretta having a confab about the 'weather', and numerous others, for example). We can ferret that out as well, without going off into sanctimony and and branding everything that doesn't match the official report as "kook' or 'conspiracy theory". I get the impression that if Alex Jones said that the sky was blue and the grass was green, there are people who would summarily dismiss the statements by virtue of the source, even though they were, in fact, correct.

There is much about this that makes no sense to me.
The last firearm the alleged shooter bought was a bolt-action rifle. Where is that? He bought it just hours before the incident from a gun shop 4 hours away.
What about the Ammonium Nitrate in his car? We haven't heard any more about that.
Yet there were reports of a bomb threat/suspicious vehicle the same time frame as the shooting.
Why so many weapons for just one guy? A half dozen should have been plenty.
Where is all the expended brass in the room photos? That wasn't anywhere close to two thousand rounds, more like a couple hundred. Why is there a tripod set up in the room, with no weapon on it, yet no empties, dissolving belt links, no full magazines nor ammo boxes near by?
There is a fine stack of magazines in one image, but it is downright inconveniently located for anyone who would be using them. Again, why?
Why scopes on firearms gimmicked to fire full auto (notorious for messing up scope zero, but even more so, if used with a bump fire stock, useless because the eye relief distance will be constantly changing)?
Why transfer 100K to the Philippines?
Is that location (home of Abu Sayef) significant?  (Terry Nichols had a GF from there, too, but they blamed the white guy and assured us there was no Islamic connection.)
Someone said DHS had taken over at first, any truth to that, were they there, did the FBI take over later?

For folks who had so little info, they were sure quick to discard terrorism.

How about the missing six minutes (timeline 'confusion')? We aren't bringing down a president over this, so we shouldn't need 14...Or are the revisions of the Security Guard's report just to cover the hindparts of the parent company for both the casino and the network he was interviewer on by someone who has her picture on slot machines in the casino?

There are accounts of broken entrance doors and shooters at a half dozen different places, some of which could not be hit from the Mandalay Bay.

The lady (now deceased) who said there were multiple shooters, some at ground level, in the concert venue was not alone. She just happened to be a person who might be regarded as a credible source, in good standing in her community.

The news report in one video in the background, the one which showed the ambulances at Hooters), said that there were multiple shooters in multiple locations according to police.

Where is the: ME report and toxicology report on the shooter?
How about an inventory of evidence (a form any searching officers fill out as part of the custody chain for evidence). This should shed light on the firearms used, how many rounds were fired and what caliber those rounds were (from expended brass). Were any drugs found in the rooms?

I have a little more tendency to believe the statements of people who have no you tube channel to pimp, but some of those may be BS, too, or their accounts may contain errors of judgement, recollection, or perception. If so, those mistakes should be easy enough to explain.  I think we have enough discerning minds here to pick through that without going into the abyss of believing fairy tales, whether those are official or from other sources.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 12:29:55 pm »
I don't due youtube on the computer, so forgive me if I'm muddying the waters here, but does this analysis take into account the third party?  In the lightning example, there are two parties, the source and the observer.  But if we have three parties, shooter/victim/observer, it becomes more complicated to (I believe, kind of groggy this am) impossible (in the case where the observer cannot see the muzzle flash -- and therefore is also hearing a reflection of the sound) to locate/distance the shooter.

Just thinking out loud.
The analysis is predicated on the time between the final bullet impact sound in a string of rounds fired and the final report being heard, as captured on videos taken at the concert venue. Muzzle flash is not evident in many of the videos taken, but the sounds of impacting bullets and of the rifle reports are, regardless of where the lens of the device was pointed. His contention was that the difference in arrival times for the bullet and the sound (which comes in second) vary according to distance, and even allows for the bullet slowing along its flight path. that difference, measured in a fraction of a second, would give the range from where those bullets were impacting to the muzzle of the firearm shooting them. 

In his analysis, there were two distinct arrival time lags, one indicating the distance to the Mandalay Bay, but another only about 275 yards out. his contention is that that indicates a second shooter.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 01:20:38 pm »
The analysis is predicated on the time between the final bullet impact sound in a string of rounds fired and the final report being heard, as captured on videos taken at the concert venue. Muzzle flash is not evident in many of the videos taken, but the sounds of impacting bullets and of the rifle reports are, regardless of where the lens of the device was pointed. His contention was that the difference in arrival times for the bullet and the sound (which comes in second) vary according to distance, and even allows for the bullet slowing along its flight path. that difference, measured in a fraction of a second, would give the range from where those bullets were impacting to the muzzle of the firearm shooting them. 

In his analysis, there were two distinct arrival time lags, one indicating the distance to the Mandalay Bay, but another only about 275 yards out. his contention is that that indicates a second shooter.

I don't think that holds water.  You're going to get different range measurements whether the shooter is the same distance directly ahead of you, to the side, or directly behind you (the observer, who I'm assuming is not standing right next to the victim -- maybe the videos are taken from close enough that my point is moot).

I might buy the argument that if you observed large lag differences that could indicate multiple shooters firing from different (but not calculable) distances.  But I'd still be skeptical about that since I don't know the path the sound takes to get to the observer (which will probably differ with a guy firing into a crowd).

Of course, if someone could show that the difference between the time of impact and observed report was so small that it simply could not come from the known shooters location, I'd say that's pretty strong for multiple shooters.
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 01:21:34 pm »
What is it going to take to get a good old-fashioned ZOT going around here, anyway?

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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 01:25:34 pm »
What is it going to take to get a good old-fashioned ZOT going around here, anyway?

Who needs that?
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Re: Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 01:33:01 pm »
Mike Adams is not a reliable source for anything. He asserts all kinds of things about many different subjects that are not backed up by fact or truth. He's an Alex Jones' mini-me tying to build his own lucrative following in my opinion. As soon as I see "Natural News" or "Mike Adams" as the source I ignore it. I've read too many articles by him in the past that were clearly BS to given him any credence anymore.

That's an understatement. His 'Natural News' pushes crap almost worse than Infowars. He recently was pushing Bitter Almond for cancer treatment- aka, hydrogen cyanide. He is right up there with Food Babe and Mercola in terms of pushing the worst of the worst pseudoscience- crossing the dangerous line.

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2017, 01:35:41 pm »
I'm beginning to think so.  But I also believe that because of the vacuum being created by the persons and agencies in charge of the investigation, people are desperate for an explanation.  So they will fall for anything they read, see or hear and spread it around.  They may mean well, but disseminating gossip, rumors and downright hoaxes does more harm than good.

Let me throw a little gasoline on the fire here.

I read somewhere the other day that the reason for the vacuum is because the shooter worked for the CIA.  Not saying anything as to the validity of that just saying I read it and report it here only because it supports what you are saying about a vacuum creating distrust and all manner of theories!

Edit to add: Turns out it's all over the place!  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Did+Shooter+in+Vegas+work+for+the+CIA%3F&atb=v77-4_q&ia=web

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