Roy Moore: NFL players who refuse to stand for the anthem are breaking the law, you know

[Silver Pines]

When you get down to it, that's really one good thing about this site over a certain other. The mods here treat members like adults and don't try to control what they think is important. They just let discussions go as long as they don't cross the trolling/attack line. They treat members like adults.

Agreed.

[Silver Pines]

The funny part was he didn't kneel during the anthem, but before it, then stood for the anthem- yet people said it wasn't good enough. I was waiting for the demands that every had be over the heart, a solemn expression, and a tear in the eye to be good enough.

I wonder how many who were screaming though, when they are watching the game at their favorite sports bar, have their own ass firmly planted in there seat, with a mouth full of beer and nachos while the anthem is played- then only jump up to express outrage that a player didn't stand.

@AbaraXas

Post of the day.

[Emjay]

Apparently you missed Jones kneeling with his team about a week after claiming anyone who did it would be booted.

I did not miss it.  That was a planned demonstration PRIOR to the flag and the anthem to show solidarity with the team without disrespecting the flag or the anthem.

Try to know what you're talking about before spouting off.  Just a hint.

[Emjay]

The funny part was he didn't kneel during the anthem, but before it, then stood for the anthem- yet people said it wasn't good enough. I was waiting for the demands that every had be over the heart, a solemn expression, and a tear in the eye to be good enough.

I wonder how many who were screaming though, when they are watching the game at their favorite sports bar, have their own ass firmly planted in there seat, with a mouth full of beer and nachos while the anthem is played- then only jump up to express outrage that a player didn't stand.

I often stand at home alone if the anthem is played but not always.

The anthem and flag ceremony prior to sporting events is one of my favorite things.  It's beautiful and back in the day made us all feel good and united.

It's a public display and there is not a dam thing wrong with sitting in a bar drinking beer.  Although my son would probably stand even in a bar which is where he'll have to be Sunday as the Cowboy game isn't being shown in Colorado.

This action by players is ruining a beautiful part of the game and it's creating hostility which may not be the desired effect.

The players are probably the richest segment in the Black community possibly with the exception of music and arts.  They could do so much good for the cause they are pretending to support by this stupid kneeling thing.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I'm so glad we are tackling the most important issue.

It is.  It's called patriotism.  Placing the country's best interests before oneself.

If more people in leadership did this, this country would be in great shape.

[kevindavis007]

It is.  It's called patriotism.  Placing the country's best interests before oneself.

If more people in leadership did this, this country would be in great shape.

No it is called the Federal Government sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. They also have a right not to stand.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

AFAIK, the flag code was just a "code", a set of guidelines to follow, not a law.

[Silver Pines]

I did not miss it.  That was a planned demonstration PRIOR to the flag and the anthem to show solidarity with the team without disrespecting the flag or the anthem.

Try to know what you're talking about before spouting off.  Just a hint.

@Emjay

Calm down, dear.

[Suppressed]

I wonder how many who were screaming though, when they are watching the game at their favorite sports bar, have their own ass firmly planted in there seat, with a mouth full of beer and nachos while the anthem is played- then only jump up to express outrage that a player didn't stand.

I was on business in Canada, having dinner with a Canadian lady, when an NFL game came on the TV in the bar/restaurant we were in.  I jumped to my feet and put my hand over my heart...embarrassing the heck out of her.   ^-^

[endicom]

It is.  It's called patriotism.  Placing the country's best interests before oneself.

The citizens? Well, what are the country's best interests?

If more people in leadership did this, this country would be in great shape.

Elected officials, yes. They volunteered for it.

[the_doc]

I don't like the players in what they are doing but:


1. They have right to do so.
2. The Government can't force people to stand during the national anthem.
3. There are far more pressing issues than this. Like Tax Reform and Obamacare.

Ditto--except that I think the BLM movement is pretty pressing.  (But it is not being addressed correctly.) 

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

Well, you're not, so you're going to have to click on them and voluntarily suffer them, or pass them by.

Think about that and in the fullness of time you might get it.

Went over your head too.    Here's a clue.  (It's not about me.)  :) 

[DiogenesLamp]

@musiclady

He is quite impressed with himself, no doubt.

I'm not the one talking about me being impressive.  :)

[Emjay]

No it is called the Federal Government sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. They also have a right not to stand.

Faulty premise because the Federal Government has nothing to do with this.  It's strictly business.

People have a lot of rights but there are also consequences.

The consequence of this particular action is annoying 90% of the people you depend on for your money.

For example, you have a right to smoke.  It's legal.  You can also be fired for it if your employer bans it.

The NFL is in a bit of pickle about this because so many of their players are Black and if they come down too hard, the players may be just dumb enough to retaliate and eventually bite the very hand that feeds them.

Hollywood elites can get by with stuff because of their audience but football players can't.

Most of their audience are good old boys and girls who love the Flag.

[Emjay]

I was on business in Canada, having dinner with a Canadian lady, when an NFL game came on the TV in the bar/restaurant we were in.  I jumped to my feet and put my hand over my heart...embarrassing the heck out of her.   ^-^

That was a twofer.  Showing patriotism and embarrassing a Canadian.

[XenaLee]

When you get down to it, that's really one good thing about this site over a certain other. The mods here treat members like adults and don't try to control what they think is important. They just let discussions go as long as they don't cross the trolling/attack line. They treat members like adults.

Which is against the norm, these days, as political forums go.   I've been on most of the political forums on the net and usually there is at least one mod that shows his/her bias clearly and blatantly.... and the admin lets them get away with it.  This place is truly a rare find.  I credit Myst with that distinction.

[Emjay]

Which is against the norm, these days, as political forums go.   I've been on most of the political forums on the net and usually there is at least one mod that shows his/her bias clearly and blatantly.... and the admin lets them get away with it.  This place is truly a rare find.  I credit Myst with that distinction.

Me, too.  She's a great gal.

[Silver Pines]

Went over your head too.    Here's a clue.  (It's not about me.)  :)

@DiogenesLamp

Oh, it's always about you---in your view.

[Emjay]

Ditto--except that I think the BLM movement is pretty pressing.  (But it is not being addressed correctly.)

I think the BLM movement is getting dangerous to our country.

This football thing is the not-so-thin edge of the wedge.

I don't know what happened exactly.  There is very poor leadership in the Black community for one thing.  Most Black leaders push racial issues to get votes.

Barack Obama did not help ... he fostered it.

People in the hood endure crime, murder, drug dealing, rape far more than the rest of the country.  And yet, they hate the cops and make it hard for police to help them.

i don't know the solution.  I wish I did.

[the_doc]

i don't know the solution.  I wish I did.

The solution starts with completely crushing the Democratic Party by prosecuting the Clintons and Comey and Holder and Lynch and everyone who committed perjury in Committee hearings--all in the expectation that those prosecutions would also net several dozen high-ranking Democrat operatives, including even the Kenyan candidate himself.

We will never stop BLM so long as the Democratic Party is promoting/protecting them.  Destroy the Dems as a group, and the Alinskyite BLM will fall over next. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No it is called the Federal Government sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. They also have a right not to stand.

Then that is proof they are unpatriot.

A 'right' to do something does not mean it is not the wrong thing to do.  That is the fundamental problem with this whole episode.

Go hear Mark Steyn on Rush's Oct 18 show.  https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/10/18/guest-host-mark-steyn-10/

[Bigun]

Cunning? I think this could lose him votes just about anywhere.

Except for the fact that he is 100% correct you might be right!

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
US Code
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(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

 

[Emjay]

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The survey of 3,000 likely Alabama voters finds Moore receiving 51% support to 40% for Jones. Nine percent remain undecided in the exclusive poll conducted on Monday.

[DB]

I did not miss it.  That was a planned demonstration PRIOR to the flag and the anthem to show solidarity with the team without disrespecting the flag or the anthem.

Try to know what you're talking about before spouting off.  Just a hint.

It looked to me that they were simply trying to play both sides at the same time. Trying to play the PC card while standing for the anthem. Seemed rather squishy to me... They can run their business anyway they want but there will be consequences.

[Emjay]

It looked to me that they were simply trying to play both sides at the same time. Trying to play the PC card while standing for the anthem. Seemed rather squishy to me... They can run their business anyway they want but there will be consequences.

Well, in a way, Jerry Jones did plan it that way.  He was not playing both sides.  He was simply showing solidarity with his players and whatever 'causes' they felt they had, while at the same time assuring that they stood for the anthem and the flag.

Which may show that Jerry is smarter than some of his critics and, so far, the Cowboys are the only team with no kneelers.