Roy Moore: NFL players who refuse to stand for the anthem are breaking the law, you know

[endicom]

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Allahpundit
Oct. 18, 2017

Anyone within a mile of libertarianism on the political spectrum will dry-heave upon reading this but I admire the cunning behind his pander. Moore could have gone with a tried-and-true call to arrest all flag-burners, as there’s a large audience receptive to that argument within the GOP, but it wouldn’t have been topical. Nationalists would appreciate it but it’d have no bite. Suggesting that the Kaepernicks of the world are guilty of a federal offense while the debate over NFL anthem protests is raging, though?

More... https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/18/roy-moore-nfl-players-refuse-stand-anthem-breaking-law-know/

[endicom]

Cunning? I think this could lose him votes just about anywhere.

[Emjay]

Cunning? I think this could lose him votes just about anywhere.

Maybe not.

People are really disgusted.  I just watched the Roger Goodell presser and talk about a waffler.  He's deathly afraid of expressing an opinion.  He's afraid of the Black activists because most of the players are Black and probably in sympathy with them.

He's afraid of a declining audience for football.  One of the questioners said only 3% of the NFL audience are democrats.  Don't know if that's true or not.

Jerry Jones is the only guy with courage in this whole fiasco.

Roger let this get out of hand when it could have been stopped in its tracks.

Now he doesn't have a clue what to do.  What a pathetic wanker.

But a guy celebrates a touchdown by hitting a boxing thingee and he's penalized.  How stupid.

[jpsb]

working to elect democrats @endicom?

[ABX]

What they are citing is a code guideline not a law. It is similar to the flag code. A set of standard guidelines for a situation, not an enforcable law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/subtitle-I/part-A/chapter-3

[Right_in_Virginia]

I hope Moore doesn't lose the seat for us.   

[endicom]

What they are citing is a code guideline not a law. It is similar to the flag code. A set of standard guidelines for a situation, not an enforcable law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/subtitle-I/part-A/chapter-3

Yup. But that's not what Moore said. He should have a lock on the race but he's in danger of throwing it away.

[kevindavis007]

I'm so glad we are tackling the most important issue.

[endicom]

I'm so glad we are tackling the most important issue.

It will be important enough if this fool manages to piss away what should be a gimme for the Pubs.

[musiclady]

Maybe not.

People are really disgusted.  I just watched the Roger Goodell presser and talk about a waffler.  He's deathly afraid of expressing an opinion.  He's afraid of the Black activists because most of the players are Black and probably in sympathy with them.

He's afraid of a declining audience for football.  One of the questioners said only 3% of the NFL audience are democrats.  Don't know if that's true or not.

Jerry Jones is the only guy with courage in this whole fiasco.

Roger let this get out of hand when it could have been stopped in its tracks.

Now he doesn't have a clue what to do.  What a pathetic wanker.

But a guy celebrates a touchdown by hitting a boxing thingee and he's penalized.  How stupid.

That would be Ezekiel Elliot.

Dumbest penalty I've ever seen in 50 years of watching football.

[Neverdul]

Comments like Moore's are almost (almost) enough to make me want to take a knee the next time I hear the National Anthem played.  Not that I agree with the NFL players but ... damn.

 

[ABX]

Comments like Moore's are almost (almost) enough to make me want to take a knee the next time I hear the National Anthem played.  Not that I agree with the NFL players but ... damn.

 

If we get to the point where our government forces us to stand or pledge a loyalty oath under penalty of law, I would take a knee. Not to dishoner the flag and those who fought for it, but to honor what it stood for and what was fought for- liberty.

[DiogenesLamp]

Hot Air
Allahpundit
Oct. 18, 2017

Anyone within a mile of libertarianism on the political spectrum will dry-heave upon reading this but I admire the cunning behind his pander. Moore could have gone with a tried-and-true call to arrest all flag-burners, as there’s a large audience receptive to that argument within the GOP, but it wouldn’t have been topical. Nationalists would appreciate it but it’d have no bite. Suggesting that the Kaepernicks of the world are guilty of a federal offense while the debate over NFL anthem protests is raging, though?

More... https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/18/roy-moore-nfl-players-refuse-stand-anthem-breaking-law-know/

I'm not garnering his thinking from the headline,  so I guess i'll have to go read the article before I can say this statement is foolish. 

[kevindavis007]

If we get to the point where our government forces us to stand or pledge a loyalty oath under penalty of law, I would take a knee. Not to dishoner the flag and those who fought for it, but to honor what it stood for and what was fought for- liberty.

I don't like the players in what they are doing but:


1. They have right to do so.
2. The Government can't force people to stand during the national anthem.
3. There are far more pressing issues than this. Like Tax Reform and Obamacare.

[DiogenesLamp]

Hot Air
Allahpundit
Oct. 18, 2017

Anyone within a mile of libertarianism on the political spectrum will dry-heave upon reading this but I admire the cunning behind his pander. Moore could have gone with a tried-and-true call to arrest all flag-burners, as there’s a large audience receptive to that argument within the GOP, but it wouldn’t have been topical. Nationalists would appreciate it but it’d have no bite. Suggesting that the Kaepernicks of the world are guilty of a federal offense while the debate over NFL anthem protests is raging, though?

More... https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/18/roy-moore-nfl-players-refuse-stand-anthem-breaking-law-know/

Okay,  apparently there is a law,  but one which would immediately get struck down by every court the minute you tried to enforce it.   


So it's technically true,  but really just a curiosity rather than a serious argument. 

[DiogenesLamp]

I'm so glad we are tackling the most important issue.

Most of what I see discussed on this forum is trivial nonsense like this.    If I was a moderator that locked "boring"  threads,  I'd lock half the threads on this website.   

[Neverdul]

If we get to the point where our government forces us to stand or pledge a loyalty oath under penalty of law, I would take a knee. Not to dishoner the flag and those who fought for it, but to honor what it stood for and what was fought for- liberty.

 

[endicom]

If we get to the point where our government forces us to stand or pledge a loyalty oath under penalty of law, I would take a knee. Not to dishoner the flag and those who fought for it, but to honor what it stood for and what was fought for- liberty.

@Neverdul

If we could be forced to do this then we could be forced to honor some future socialist state.

[ABX]

Okay,  apparently there is a law,  but one which would immediately get struck down by every court the minute you tried to enforce it.   


So it's technically true,  but really just a curiosity rather than a serious argument.

Actually it isnt a law. There is a code guideline which is different from a law. Noted above, it is similar to the flag code. Guidelines for a situation, but not a law. To be legally a law, it has to enforce a specific action and have penalties. The code cited has neither.

[Neverdul]

Most of what I see discussed on this forum is trivial nonsense like this.    If I was a moderator that locked "boring"  threads,  I'd lock half the threads on this website.

Good thing you are not in charge. Or an idiot judge running for Senate.

[ABX]

I'm so glad we are tackling the most important issue.

It is in some ways important enough when a US judge who may become a congressman is wrongly citing a code guideline as a law and implying that such is something they could enforce legally. Especially so when this person could represent a political party that should (used to) stand for limited government and individual liberty. Even more so if he pledges to defend the constitution yet holds it in so little regard compared to whatever bread and circus position of the day is.

In other words it should be trivial but it raises above that when viewed from the perspective of where we are headed.

[Emjay]

That would be Ezekiel Elliot.

Dumbest penalty I've ever seen in 50 years of watching football.

Yep, and he raised a ton of money for the Salvation Army by that little stunt.

[DiogenesLamp]

Actually it isnt a law. There is a code guideline which is different from a law. Noted above, it is similar to the flag code. Guidelines for a situation, but not a law. To be legally a law, it has to enforce a specific action and have penalties. The code cited has neither.

Code, law,  it was passed by Congress,  and I had always understood that congress passed legislation.  So it's a law without penalties,  which is just as well because you couldn't enforce it anyway. 


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

[DiogenesLamp]

Good thing you are not in charge.

From the perspective of a boring pounce trifler,  i'm sure that is true.

Or an idiot judge running for Senate.

Yes,  the nation is better served if they are collected on a website somewhere discussing boring trivia. 

[ABX]

Code, law,  it was passed by Congress,  and I had always understood that congress passed legislation.  So it's a law without penalties,  which is just as well because you couldn't enforce it anyway. 


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

This is found under Title 36 which aren't laws but things like proclimations and even things like floral design and informal holidays like Leif Erickson day or national potato day. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/subtitle-I/part-A

Congress has taken upon itself to pass much more than legislation. They make proclimations, guidelines regarding floral arrangements and emblems on federal property, and even days observing trivial matters- none of which are law. The flag code and anthem guidelines are found with these under Title 36.