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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2017, 11:29:40 pm »
Yes indeed.  I am very pleased with that, especially opening the door to interstate insurance purchases.  That alone is worth the price of admission!

I'm not sure that very many get the full import of those actions either.   THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN MAKING ILLEGAL PAYMENTS TO INSURANCE COMPANIES EVEN IN THE FACE OF A COURT RULLING DECLARING THEM TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND NOT ONE SOUL DID A DAMNED THING ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW!

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2017, 11:35:30 pm »
The best way to fight the far left is to cut the existing media's throat.   


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2017, 11:46:08 pm »
The best way to fight the far left is to cut the existing media's throat.   

I never got the chance to agree with you about that.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2017, 11:49:19 pm »
I never got the chance to agree with you about that.


You agree with the goal,  but we are still trying to hammer out the means.   


I would love to hear any proposal that has a good chance of success,  and even some that have a slim chance at success. 


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2017, 11:53:23 pm »
I never got the chance to agree with you about that.


You know,  this problem is more extensive than just the media.  I think one of the reasons Universities turn out so many left wing kook bats is because the Universities are not a market economy based system.   They are heavily subsidized in their ridiculous tuition costs by student loans from the US government.   


If they had to live on what they would get in a real market economy,  they would perhaps be less amicable to socialist ideology.   

Once again,  government involvement distorts the natural social/economic conditions.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2017, 11:54:25 pm »

You agree with the goal,  but we are still trying to hammer out the means.   


I would love to hear any proposal that has a good chance of success,  and even some that have a slim chance at success.

I wish I knew.  I am not a political scientist, just an amateur observer.  I just know what doesn't.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2017, 11:56:49 pm »

You know,  this problem is more extensive than just the media.  I think one of the reasons Universities turn out so many left wing kook bats is because the Universities are not a market economy based system.   They are heavily subsidized in their ridiculous tuition costs by student loans from the US government.   


If they had to live on what they would get in a real market economy,  they would perhaps be less amicable to socialist ideology.   

Once again,  government involvement distorts the natural social/economic conditions.

I do agree with that.  Universities, like government in general, are insulated from the consequences of their actions.  Very anti-market.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2017, 12:21:45 am »
RE mescaline's OP:

That's an impressive list, that nobody can deny.

I care little about the gossip about what's going on in the White House, and the appropriateness of Trump's tweets, but much for what the administration is doing.

And, so far, considering the opposition (not only from the democrat-communists but from the Pubbie establishment as well), it's doing pretty good!

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2017, 12:41:53 am »
I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to join the 'Principles-are-the-enemy-of-the-good-Trump-peoples' and help them fight the 'Left' whom insisted that lofting a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat to high office is going to save us from the Left.

You guys are on your own, no matter what the hell happens.

I have other plans that do not include you.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2017, 01:53:30 am »
I have said it all already. OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Tell me about it.  Ad nauseum.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2017, 01:56:08 am »
And it doesn’t even include what Trump unleashed yesterday and today! Purchasing insurance interstate and decertification of the Iran deal! Kool.

I know.  That was a good thing to do and followed a suggestion by Rand Paul.  I don't know what's going on with that boy.  When Trump came in the room, he turned away and refused to acknowledge him.  Really mature.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2017, 01:57:05 am »
I never got the chance to agree with you about that.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2017, 01:58:34 am »
RE mescaline's OP:

That's an impressive list, that nobody can deny.

I care little about the gossip about what's going on in the White House, and the appropriateness of Trump's tweets, but much for what the administration is doing.

And, so far, considering the opposition (not only from the democrat-communists but from the Pubbie establishment as well), it's doing pretty good!

Yay, @Fishrrman ... that is exactly how I feel.  That's why I get so het up when people obsess over Trump's tweets.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2017, 02:00:28 am »

You know,  this problem is more extensive than just the media.  I think one of the reasons Universities turn out so many left wing kook bats is because the Universities are not a market economy based system.   They are heavily subsidized in their ridiculous tuition costs by student loans from the US government.   


If they had to live on what they would get in a real market economy,  they would perhaps be less amicable to socialist ideology.   

Once again,  government involvement distorts the natural social/economic conditions.

Excellent point.  It enrages me that colleges cost so much now.  It's ridiculous.  There are a few majors that might be worth a college education but, at the current costs, most of them are only useful as a way to get an interview.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2017, 02:13:39 am »
I know.  That was a good thing to do and followed a suggestion by Rand Paul.  I don't know what's going on with that boy.  When Trump came in the room, he turned away and refused to acknowledge him.  Really mature.


I caught a few minutes of the PBS broadcast just now,  and Trump was saying something like:

"The subsidies weren't going to the people.  The subsidies were to make the insurance companies rich.   That's not what I'm about."   

I thought to myself that was a masterful thing to say, whether it is true or not.  There are so many kook bat leftests that wish to believe it,  that it will resonate among them,  and mute criticism from that direction.   

He's playing for the liberal pawns.  He knows how to play this game. :)
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2017, 02:17:29 am »
Excellent point.  It enrages me that colleges cost so much now.  It's ridiculous.  There are a few majors that might be worth a college education but, at the current costs, most of them are only useful as a way to get an interview.


To make it worse, knowledge wants to be free!  Khan Academy can teach virtually anything without costing you anything.   The only reason we demand ridiculously expensive college tuition is to subsidize this university system and the people in it,  all for us to be rewarded with them undermining the country! 

Texas has at least pushed the idea of a $10,000.00 degree program.  This is the direction things should be going.  There is no reason the costs of education should increase when the ability to transfer knowledge is getting easier and cheaper every year.   
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2017, 03:03:18 am »
I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to join the 'Principles-are-the-enemy-of-the-good-Trump-peoples' and help them fight the 'Left' whom insisted that lofting a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat to high office is going to save us from the Left.

You guys are on your own, no matter what the hell happens.

I have other plans that do not include you.

Yes. We know...you have "plans". Arm up, bunker down, hope for apocalypse.

Good plan. Not paranoid and delusional whatsoever.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2017, 04:16:10 am »
I never got the chance to agree with you about that.

Mystery says the thread is unlocked now so you can do it.  I'm calling it the Zombie Thread.

I dunno.  Zombie threads give me the creeps.  Like clowns....
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2017, 04:20:36 am »
Yes. We know...you have "plans". Arm up, bunker down, hope for apocalypse.

Good plan. Not paranoid and delusional whatsoever.

You forgot the part where we will be laughing at you in the day of your calamity.

Hell, I'm laughing my arse off at you people right now, flailing about and exclaiming hosannas to your king in the white house thinking that this stupid tactic of shaming Principled Conservatives to "join you" in fighting the Left is viable.

It's not viable.  It's pathetic.  You and your prince made us the enemy - so, piss off pal.  Go and fight 'The Left'.  Have fun.   
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2017, 06:15:45 am »

You know,  this problem is more extensive than just the media.  I think one of the reasons Universities turn out so many left wing kook bats is because the Universities are not a market economy based system.   They are heavily subsidized in their ridiculous tuition costs by student loans from the US government.   


If they had to live on what they would get in a real market economy,  they would perhaps be less amicable to socialist ideology.   

Once again,  government involvement distorts the natural social/economic conditions.
I agree with that. There would be fewer getting degrees that will land them 35K jobs that only put them 100K in debt.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2017, 06:18:57 am »
Yes. We know...you have "plans". Arm up, bunker down, hope for apocalypse.

Good plan. Not paranoid and delusional whatsoever.
It's the America of my youth. Having a bunker and supplies and the means to defend them was seen as patriotic in a country facing a Communist Nuclear Threat. See how things have come full circle?
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2017, 09:37:13 am »
You forgot the part where we will be laughing at you in the day of your calamity. How very Christian of you...wouldn't Jesus be proud.

Hell, I'm laughing my arse off at you people right now, flailing about and exclaiming hosannas to your king in the white house thinking that this stupid tactic of shaming Principled Conservatives to "join you" in fighting the Left is viable. To a lunatic, reason and sanity most likely seem "flailing"...to borrow a phrase from The Far Side...just plain nuts seems to be the proper psych profile here.

It's not viable.  It's pathetic.  You and your prince made us the enemy - so, piss off pal.  Go and fight 'The Left'.  Have fun. While I understand that your internal dissonance requires you to presume others seek a secular "prince" or "king", the sane voters here simply seek out and vote for someone who will fight for the issues they care about as President. We expect any politician to have flaws, as they are all human...but we vote for the guy who's overall package as a leader and executive will best keep the nation strong, prosperous and constitutional. That's a bit more boring than your much proclaimed prince and king scenarios...an odd bit of fantasy on your part...but reality is often less exciting than one's imagination.

Dude, just go back to your bunker, enjoy an MRE and some recycled water...crank up some old Jimmy Swaggart tapes...polish up your AK...and wait for your chance to laugh at all of us "crazy" folks. I'm sure, if your patient, you'll get that last laugh you're so desperate for. In the meantime, leave the adults to discuss how to move the nation down a more conservative and RATIONAL path in the small hopes we can forestall your hoped for apocalypse.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2017, 09:41:07 am »
It's the America of my youth. Having a bunker and supplies and the means to defend them was seen as patriotic in a country facing a Communist Nuclear Threat. See how things have come full circle?


No, propaganda posters aside, it was always seen as just plain nuts.

The end of the world may come, miniscule though the likelihood may be in our lifetime, but you hiding out in a bunker won't forestall it. Keeping a few guns, ammo and some food on hand for lesser emergencies has always been wise...but full on hiding in your bunker praying for nuclear apocalypse so you can laugh at your fellow citizens, not so much.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2017, 11:06:00 am »
No, propaganda posters aside, it was always seen as just plain nuts.

The end of the world may come, miniscule though the likelihood may be in our lifetime, but you hiding out in a bunker won't forestall it. Keeping a few guns, ammo and some food on hand for lesser emergencies has always been wise...but full on hiding in your bunker praying for nuclear apocalypse so you can laugh at your fellow citizens, not so much.
Your apparent perception of your fellow Americans is pitiful. Maybe you have been watching too many National Geographic Specials  on teevee. What you call a "bunker" in this part of the world is known as a "storm shelter", "dugout", or "root cellar" and dates back to pioneer days. The mandan put their whole house in the ground and called it an "earthlodge". Catlin documented them when he came through, as did Lewis and Clark. Not only do these sort of structures take advantage of natural refrigeration/heating (58-60 degrees year round) but they are a great place to go if a tornado is imminent. That is prudence, not wacko stupidity as you seem to believe.

No one here is hiding, waiting for the end of the world. In fact, I have a ringside seat for WWIII, and the nearly 40 years I have had that seat, nothing much has gone up, and little has come down. So I haven't been hiding, but I've spent a career on oil rigs in seven different states and raised kids and grandkids and am enjoying great grandkids, and life goes on. But it would be folly in an increasingly complex world which has more points of failure and with more serious consequences than it did in my youth, to ignore trends, governmental stupidity, economic ludicrousness, and bask in the insanity of normalcy bias.

Those old shelters were stocked, the signs put up, knowing full well that the masses would not survive well, if at all, if they were needed. They were a placebo. But the people were thrown that bone while the Congress and even the POTUS had their bunkers built from the Greenbrier to White Sulfur Springs and Mount Weather, and Cheyenne Mountain, (to name a few) and I noticed the missile silos are dug in pretty well, too. Maybe there is something to having a bunker, there is even one in the White House. 
Theirs seem to be a little better setup than the ones for the 'little folk'.
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Anyway, With the DPRK rattling sabers, who knows? We certainly took Cuba seriously enough, and Castro may have been a Communist, but he wasn't a nutcase like little Kim.

Oh, the rifles have changed. I have this black one that shoots smaller, faster bullets, and holds more instead of the old bolt action (well, I kept that, too, it's still good farther out). I have food for the family a couple of months, but not enough to feed the neighborhood for long, and I prefer having a pantry to running to town for every little thing-- it's just more convenient.
I don't think anyone is praying for nuclear apocalypse, no one who has studied the effects of radiation on people would wish that on even the most annoying people.

It is a possibility, slightly more likely that someone somewhere will pop one off than it was, simply because more unpredictable governments are getting the tech to start one, and they really don't give a damn who they kill, including their own with all those virgins in paradise just waiting for them, or a 50+ year score to settle in a war that never ended, just had a cease-fire.

Apparently your vision of the present differs, and that's okay. There are all sorts of ideas out there I find odd, counter to the survival of this country, and even the human race, that people embrace wholeheartedly as sophisticated, scientific, and correct. Y'all go right ahead and believe what you will, but that doesn't mean others will agree with you.  And if we happen to point out a few things here and there, consider it isn't because we're hiding in some hole in the ground (although those have made me a living over the years), ti's because, well, folks might be doing things which will prove unwise in the long run and we would be remiss if we didn't pipe up.
So yep, having a 'bunker' and supplies and the means to defend them should still be patriotic, especially since we have a Communist leader threatening to nuke us--even if he is the product of the mating of a kimchi crazed outhouse rat and one of the guard dogs in the palace. He is still sending up missiles and setting off nukes.
Me, I'd just as soon he drop over dead as a post, but failing that, it bears paying a little attention to stuff.
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