Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

[mystery-ak]

That is true but not NEARLY enough to make any real difference.  The NY Times still calls the tune on what is or isn't news.  Even for cable.  There are a very few who do actual reporting but for every one that sees their reporting there are thousands that don't.

Of course there is a real difference..with all the lies and bad press the MSM flung at Trump, he prevailed..people chose not to believe them and looked elsewhere for their news....YES...times are changing!

[roamer_1]

In my little under 50k population hometown some enterprising and well healed local folks attempted to start a newspaper to compete with the corporate owned rag which claims to be " your hometown newspaper" .  The corporate rag sold advertising at below cost for as long as it took (two years) to run them out of business.  Same thing happened to most of our local mom and pop stores when Wal-Mart showed up.

I fail to believe you would be *for* the government (read fed, especially) stepping in to rectify matters.

We've got Home Depot and Lowes, but everyone that matters still goes to Try-City or Western Building Center, unless it's Sunday, or you want hockey sticks for some reason.

[Silver Pines]

@mystery-ak
Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

@driftdiver

Why not?  You've said before that posting negative things about Trump damages him, so apparently we on this forum have more power than we ever imagined. 

[roamer_1]

Of course there is a real difference..with all the lies and bad press the MSM flung at Trump, he prevailed..people chose not to believe them and looked elsewhere for their news....YES...times are changing!

That is a brilliant point.

[Bigun]

I fail to believe you would be *for* the government (read fed, especially) stepping in to rectify matters.

We've got Home Depot and Lowes, but everyone that matters still goes to Try-City or Western Building Center, unless it's Sunday, or you want hockey sticks for some reason.

Actually I'm for far less government regulation of damn near everything!

[DiogenesLamp]

I've been down this thread for a while, and nobody answered my question, and it's a pretty obvious one for anybody who knows the first thing about broadcasting: 

What licenses? 

Broadcast networks don't have licenses.  Cable news networks don't have licenses.  Broadcast nets like NBC and CBS only have a handful of stations they actually own, so other than those O&O stations, what licenses are being referred to??  All this folderol is over a half-hour news broadcast on 12-15 TV stations.

In the manner that forcing Christians to comply with Gaystapo demands is not really about "cake", so too is the discussion about the Monopoly media-weapon not really about "licenses."


"Licenses"  are simply a convenient metaphor for the concept of striking back at the monopoly media-weapon election manipulators.   

[Silver Pines]

If you haven't noticed, 'They' are all hurting for viewership/readership. Especially newspapers and news mags... Folding up like cheap lawn chairs everywhere.

@roamer_1

Exactly.  Millennials don't watch TV at all anymore, and magazines and papers are unknown to them.  They get their news online, and there are many, many solid conservative sources.

The other day I read an article about the media empire Ben Shapiro is building.

[roamer_1]

Actually I'm for far less government regulation of damn near everything!

Exactly. So how then is the FED (the FED, mind you) going to fix this presumed monopoly and apparent liberal press which deemed otherwise unstoppable? Remember in your answer that whatever new toys we make, the dems will get to play with next time they get in the sandbox.

[DiogenesLamp]

That's right - And I might add, that we today, CAN. The press was just as liberal back in the day, where there was nothing but the big 3 and the AP.

The net has changed that in leaps and bounds.

Has it given us parity?  Can our spokesmen reach out and influence 30 million Americans nightly? 

I see George Stephanopolous virtually every day lying to or misleading me as to what is going on in the world.  To what channel do I tune to see Ben Shapiro giving the morning news?   

The internet influences only a tiny slice of the public compared to television,  and even now our liberal enemies are trying to gain total control over the internet. 

[DiogenesLamp]

@mystery-ak that's what they want...a dictator of their own that they can be proud of.  Someone who doesn't care about the Constitution or rule of law...just someone who will extract payback and collect some revenge for them against the Left.

Never mind that the person they would be cheering while this is happening would be taking pages directly from the Liberal playbook they supposedly despise.

As long as he can get them the pound of flesh they demand...

Virtue signaling,  strawmanning,  and suggesting we continue losing in the manner we have been losing.   

[Bigun]

Exactly. So how then is the FED (the FED, mind you) going to fix this presumed monopoly and apparent liberal press which deemed otherwise unstoppable? Remember in your answer that whatever new toys we make, the dems will get to play with next time they get in the sandbox.

Open up the market and allow anyone to play who wants to.

[DiogenesLamp]

People won't get behind tyranny or someone they perceive to be acting as a dictator.

But if you sneak it up on them,  as it is being done now,  they are not only okay with it,  they will call other people "Dictators"  for wanting to strip the real dictators of their existing Dictator powers.   

If you don't think the media is "Dictating"  I've got four words for you.

"Hands Up! Don't Shoot!" 

[DiogenesLamp]

@mystery-ak
Ahh I see.   Little ole me is gonna fight the whole MSM with my blog posts.

yeah lol

Oh wait I can take a billion dollars from my savings account and start up a competitor company to them,

A billion dollars?  You greatly underestimate the assets the media-weapon currently has at it's disposal.   

[DiogenesLamp]

The story is already being disputed...pulling licenses is not needed.

We have just as much access to the press as the MSM does, times have changed.

I see George Stephanopolous almost every morning.  To what channel should I turn to see the news being delivered by Walter Williams?   

[aligncare]

Of course there is a real difference..with all the lies and bad press the MSM flung at Trump, he prevailed..people chose not to believe them and looked elsewhere for their news....YES...times are changing!

Big media shouldn’t be regulated, but it should be subject to the same libel and slander statutes as any individual.  News editors need to feel the heat when they put out false reports. Lives and reputations are at stake.

Secondly, Big Media should suffer the same fate as Ma Bell, when she got too big. That would open up the field to more independent journalist and investigative reporting, like what Project Veritas has been doing. Throw some conservative competition in to the mix. The antidote to censorship is more speech.

[Bigun]

Big media shouldn’t be regulated, but it should be subject to the same libel and slander statutes as any individual.  News editors need to feel the heat when they put out false reports. Lives and reputations are at stake.

Secondly, Big Media should suffer the same fate as Ma Bell, when she got too big. That would open up the field to more independent journalist and investigative reporting, like what Project Veritas has been doing. Throw some conservative competition in to the mix. The antidote to censorship is more speech.

Damned right!  Let them say anything they want  and be held fully accountable for it!

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

I fail to believe you would be *for* the government (read fed, especially) stepping in to rectify matters.

I would be (though not the fed in the case in question). 

Intentionally taking a loss with the express intent of driving competition out of business is known as dumping (though many reserve that specific term for international trade), and there are rules against it for good reason.  Ensuring that businesses and individuals play fair is one of the very few things I think governments should actually be doing.

One could make the case that government should simply provide a fair court system and things like this should be civil, not criminal.  However, if you can afford to drive someone out of business by dumping you can probably drive them out of the court by just lawyering up hard.  I think this is an instance where we do need a government to deal with it.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Exactly.  Millennials don't watch TV at all anymore, and magazines and papers are unknown to them.  They get their news online, and there are many, many solid conservative sources.

The other day I read an article about the media empire Ben Shapiro is building.

@CatherineofAragon
Yep. My kids don't have cable or paper news/mags. Never have had em. I have of late, followed them in that, and I am greatly relieved by throwing out the cable company. And I am not alone by any means. 'Cord-cutting' has become a term, and then a meme. Their empire is crumbling to dust.

I am partial to Ben Shapiro, and fond of his mag, The Daily Wire. And his podcast and Youtube offerings. Of the talking heads, he's the only one I still trust unequivocally. You should look up one of his college presentations on Youtube (the recent Berkeley speech was a gas).

I would really like to get One America News Network as a live stream - I hear it is based in the Midwest, and I would hope to get a perspective different from NYC and LA.  I am considering getting a ROKU just for that reason. I hear very good things about them... Maybe the new FOX.

So yes, there are many solid Conservative sources. And I dare say, if that is what one is after, there is no problem finding it.

[Bigun]

@CatherineofAragon
Yep. My kids don't have cable or paper news/mags. Never have had em. I have of late, followed them in that, and I am greatly relieved by throwing out the cable company. And I am not alone by any means. 'Cord-cutting' has become a term, and then a meme. Their empire is crumbling to dust.

I am partial to Ben Shapiro, and fond of his mag, The Daily Wire. And his podcast and Youtube offerings. Of the talking heads, he's the only one I still trust unequivocally. You should look up one of his college presentations on Youtube (the recent Berkeley speech was a gas).

I would really like to get One America News Network as a live stream - I hear it is based in the Midwest, and I would hope to get a perspective different from NYC and LA.  I am considering getting a ROKU just for that reason. I hear very good things about them... Maybe the new FOX.

So yes, there are many solid Conservative sources. And I dare say, if that is what one is after, there is no problem finding it.

It is very easy to see a trend in your local and assume that it's happening more broadly.  That is a BIG mistake. 

[mystery-ak]

Big media shouldn’t be regulated, but it should be subject to the same libel and slander statutes as any individual.  News editors need to feel the heat when they put out false reports. Lives and reputations are at stake.

Secondly, Big Media should suffer the same fate as Ma Bell, when she got too big. That would open up the field to more independent journalist and investigative reporting, like what Project Veritas has been doing. Throw some conservative competition in to the mix. The antidote to censorship is more speech.

AC.....couldn't agree more.

[DiogenesLamp]

I realize that no number of successes will satisfy your blood lust for a -<[tyrannical move]>- like this form Trump.

This is called "framing the debate."   It is asserting the premise that anyone who believes in breaking the grip of the Corporate Media-weapon is advocating tyranny.   

It is a strawman tactic. 

You said what can you do...tried to make yourself out to be a helpless victim...I merely pointed out a very famous and very publicized win for the people.

Scooter Libby.  Nixon Resigns. Vietnam Collapses.  Goldwater loses.  Russia rigged the election.  Dog on Car roof.  "Binders full of Women".   

What was that thing that Candy Crowly did again that was a lie during the Romney/Obama debate? 

"Hands up! Don't shoot!"   "White Hispanic."   "It's the Economy stupid."  "Ronny RAY-gun."  "Star Wars!" 

Republicans want to kill women and children!   "Fast and Furious!"   A Video tape blamed for Benghazi.   "Cash for Clunkers".    Weaponized IRS.   

"Maccaca".   Strom Thurmond birthday party.   Donna Brazile giving Hillary the debate questions. 


"Grocery store Scanner" (Bush HW)   White Water.  Monica Lewinski. 


You talk about one win,   and you ignore the hundreds if not thousands of losses that would not have occurred without the Liberal monopoly of the media-weapon.   

[DiogenesLamp]

I hate to tell you, but that has loooong been the case - All of my lifetime.

Some people were slaves for all of their lifetimes,  but that didn't make it right or acceptable.  That something has persisted is not a good argument that it should continue. 

Now, there is net. and now, more and more, people are going elsewhere for their news.

Too many aren't.   Too many still get their news from the media-weapon.   

[roamer_1]

Has it given us parity? 

Parity? That sounds like 'FAIRNESS'... I know you too well to cosider you anything but Conservative, @DiogenesLamp ... but 'fairness' is a liberal position. I don;t expect fairness in anything.

Can our spokesmen reach out and influence 30 million Americans nightly? 

Spokesmen? Like Limbaugh's 20m? Nothing the news channels have come close to AM radio planting 10s of millons of listeners for 3hr shows. But I don't care about 'spokesmen'. I care about the message. And while you can say it's subjective (and I won't point to data), Chik-Fil-A happens and swamps anything the libs can do all by itself. For all the liberal threats and boycotting, JCPennys and Target are who crash and burn... All those folks got the message. That means that somehow, that message is getting out there.

I see George Stephanopolous virtually every day lying to or misleading me as to what is going on in the world.  To what channel do I tune to see Ben Shapiro giving the morning news?   

Who goes to the TV anymore for news?

The internet influences only a tiny slice of the public compared to television,  and even now our liberal enemies are trying to gain total control over the internet.

meh.

[DiogenesLamp]

You needn't. it is the remedy that is in question.

I've proposed striking a blow against the existing enemy.  It is a stretch to portray opposition to the existing status quo as a "remedy."   

Some may not remember,  but in the past I have solicited suggestions as to what can be done about the problem,   but most people spent all their time trying to convince me that nothing needs to be done about the problem,  and that they don't even see a problem. 

I have suggested various things,  and none of them constituted letting the government control the media.  I am absolutely against that.  The worst thing we could do is to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.   

I'm still interested in hearing any ideas what to do about the problem other than trying to tear down the monopoly that exists now. 

And yours is to let the Fed guard our speech?

Absolutely not.  But they can make "common carriers"  carry all traffic.   

[RoosGirl]

Some people were slaves for all of their lifetimes,  but that didn't make it right or acceptable.  That something has persisted is not a good argument that it should continue. 




Too many aren't.   Too many still get their news from the media-weapon.

   I know @roamer_1 can handily answer for himself, but cripes, that is not even close to what he said or meant or implied.

[DiogenesLamp]

AM radio created a natural competition that lasted for decades.


That existed during a time in which Americans were in far more agreement regarding morals and ethics.   That past was a different country. 

[DiogenesLamp]

And let’s not forget too how the media is presenting the Russia Russia Russia story in the top of the hour news for the last 12 months, always as if there were something there. When, in fact, we know there is no there there. Mueller’s got nothing but some 3,000 facebook ads purchased by Russians.

That’s 3000 out of 3 billion Facebook ads in a year. Yeah, Russia stole the election for Trump. Give me a break.

Talk about a "loss"  caused by the media!  How many millions,  and how much effectiveness in advancing the agenda has been lost as a result of this media fabricated propaganda effort?   

It's similar to the Valerie Palme incident.  It was totally fabricated to damage the Republican party,  not advance the best interests of the people. 

[roamer_1]

Some people were slaves for all of their lifetimes,  but that didn't make it right or acceptable.  That something has persisted is not a good argument that it should continue. 

I am not claiming that. But unarguably, There are more Conservative outlets now than there were then - in droves. It isn;t harder now - it is much, much easier.

Too many aren't.   Too many still get their news from the media-weapon.

I don't think that is true. Overall viewership through cable and sat outlets is plummeting. Let it plummet. Don't fix what is fixing itself.

[aligncare]

Evening news viewing on the three major broadcast networks is huge compared to the numbers for cable news programming. Broadcast news will continue to be the primary influencing source for most of the country.

A hypothetical. Does anyone really believe that if NBC network and cable news were to suddenly disappear that you would notice? That you would see a drop in the quality of news information OTA or on cable?

More likely total news product quality would improve by its absence. And don’t we get enough left wing propaganda news from the remaining news outfits?

[DiogenesLamp]

Except in the method of retaliation, I agree with @DiogenesLamp . What I would see is Conservatives rising to meet their own needs. That's what Conservatives do.

You want to compete with Google abd Facebook, it just takes startup money.

France didn't commit to helping the US achieve independence until our forces demonstrated some capability at fighting back against the British. 


If such an effort could show some success,  it might be a reasonable alternative to challenge these bastards that control the news and entertainment in this nation.


So far One America News Network looks like the only potential player I see. 


I wouldn't mind equal representation occurring through market forces,  but monopolies are inherently resistant to being broken by market forces. 

[roamer_1]

Absolutely not.  But they can make "common carriers"  carry all traffic.

I will let profit sort that out - and with the exception of PBS receiving gvt funding, that model has served well - Especially now, as the cable bundling practices are swiftly becoming a noose around their necks.

I say, let em hang.

[DiogenesLamp]

@driftdiver

Apparently we should tear up the Constitution and put a lock on free speech.  Yay!

You must be reading a different discussion and somehow mistakenly posted on this one.  Do be more careful next time.

[DiogenesLamp]

@Cyber Liberty

Thanks for bringing some facts into the discussion.

"Facts"  are always good,  but they are more helpful when they are actually relevant to the focus of the discussion.   

[RoosGirl]

You must be reading a different discussion and somehow mistakenly posted on this one.  Do be more careful next time.

Unsubscribe.

[roamer_1]

If such an effort could show some success,  it might be a reasonable alternative to challenge these bastards that control the news and entertainment in this nation.


So far One America News Network looks like the only potential player I see. 

But what a player. They will be challenging FOX in a short time.

And entertainment is feeling the pinch too - They can't fill movie houses, Netflix is murdering the normal outlets, and more and more, folks are going to ala carte. Heck I can't even tell you the last TV show I watched. I am waiting for the final season of Longmire to come out (anytime now), but other than that, I am not attached to anything coming through the networks. Heck, I can't even tell you the last time I was on Netflix, even. Almost totally divorced.

I wouldn't mind equal representation occurring through market forces,  but monopolies are inherently resistant to being broken by market forces.

Except their carriers are plummeting. without their carriers, cable and sat, they are all but gone.

[DiogenesLamp]

Of course there is a real difference..with all the lies and bad press the MSM flung at Trump, he prevailed..people chose not to believe them and looked elsewhere for their news....YES...times are changing!

Nixon didn't. Goldwater didn't.  George HW Bush didn't.  Dole didn't.  George W did,  but barely.  McCain didn't and Romney didn't.   


I believe that the media framing the debate produces a constant shift in the electorate of about ~10% points. 

It's enough to swing an election,  and thereby a destiny. 

[Cyber Liberty]

"Facts"  are always good,  but they are more helpful when they are actually relevant to the focus of the discussion.

Trump is threatening to pull licenses.  There are no licenses to pull.  I don't think it gets more relevant than that.

Idiots.

[RoosGirl]

Trump is threatening to pull licenses.  There are no licenses to pull.  I don't think it gets more relevant than that.

Idiots.

I find some humor that we are "arguing" about confiscation of a thing that does not exist because of a lie that does not exist.

[Cyber Liberty]

I find some humor that we are "arguing" about confiscation of a thing that does not exist because of a lie that does not exist.

Ironical, isn't it?

[Silver Pines]

  I know @roamer_1 can handily answer for himself, but cripes, that is not even close to what he said or meant or implied.

@RoosGirl

There wasn't enough overwrought drama in @roamer_1's post, so it had to be adjusted for effect.

[RoosGirl]

Ironical, isn't it?

Yes, and I'm glad that irony is so delicious.

[Bigun]

Trump is threatening to pull licenses.  There are no licenses to pull.  I don't think it gets more relevant than that.

Idiots.

Yes my friend there are licenses.  And the FCC refusing to  renew a few of them in large markets woul have a telling effect and affect!

[Silver Pines]

You must be reading a different discussion and somehow mistakenly posted on this one.  Do be more careful next time.

@DiogenesLamp

"Do be more careful"---do people really talk like that outside of movies from the fifties? 

Thanks, Sparky, but I'm in the right place, getting a little cheap entertainment from you this evening.

[ABX]

SMH....

I can't believe the debate I'm reading among people who supposedly are Conservative.

Orwell was right.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes my friend there are licenses.  And the FCC refusing to  renew a few of them in large markets woul have a telling effect and affect!

They are nothing to the nets.   Nothing.  This is the most breathtaking of nothing I've seen in years!

[roamer_1]

Evening news viewing on the three major broadcast networks is huge compared to the numbers for cable news programming. Broadcast news will continue to be the primary influencing source for most of the country.

Except in that all are ted to the cable and sat bundles - that's their delivery... And cable and sat subscriptions have been plummeting remarkably - 20-30% quarterly. How long can that be sustained?

A hypothetical. Does anyone really believe that if NBC network and cable news were to suddenly disappear that you would notice? That you would see a drop in the quality of news information OTA or on cable?

I don't think I'd even know the difference. The alphabet channels make up a tiny percentage of my viewership - I have no idea when the last thing I watched from any of them was... That tiny.

[RoosGirl]

SMH....

I can't believe the debate I'm reading among people who supposedly are Conservative.

Orwell was right.

I think there is no concept of unintended consequences anymore.  There's no forward thought to what happens the next time liberals (the ones who call themselves liberals instead of trying to hide it) gain the majority.

[txradioguy]

Yes my friend there are licenses.  And the FCC refusing to  renew a few of them in large markets woul have a telling effect and affect!

How exactly do you plan to punish locally owned stations that had no part in the Trump nuke story?

How many actual stations do you think the parent network owns these days?

Or does that not matter and you just want to nuke all of their broadcast liscenses?

[txradioguy]

SMH....

I can't believe the debate I'm reading among people who supposedly are Conservative.

Orwell was right.

@AbaraXas rule of law and the Constitution don't matter.

It's all about revenge and paybacks.

[DB]

Fake news should be fought with facts to expose the lies. And then publicly mocked for reporting false information.

I thought it was the left that tried to silence people/organizations that they disagree with.

With Trump the right and the left are merging using the same tactics all ending with more statist control of our lives.