Senator Just Got Some Very Bad News

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

But not a Democracy, which was my point.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Democratic Republic. Democratic is the modifier. It tells what type of Republic we have, as opposed to a Socialist Republic, for instance. It is still a Republic, NOT a Democracy, which would have everything up for a popular vote.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Democratic Republic. Democratic is the modifier. It tells what type of Republic we have, as opposed to a Socialist Republic, for instance. It is still a Republic, NOT a Democracy, which would have everything up for a popular vote.

Then there are no real true democracies in the world, except for maybe Switzerland.

[Smokin Joe]

Then there are no real true democracies in the world, except for maybe Switzerland.

There is a reason for that. Back to the dinner menu. What will inevitably result is that one faction or group of factions will ever vote for themselves the lion's share of others' stuff. If the majority say we get to split your stuff, you'd be out your stuff or have to rebel (fight) to keep it, or you'd leave. It just doesn't work.

Aside from initiated measures at the state and ballot measures at the local level, generally, the amount of "democracy" we allow into our Republic is thus necessarily limited.

Going by the Founders' intent, the States were to be represented in the Congress by the Senate (equal representation for each state), the People by the House (Number of Representatives based on population). Instead, with the 17th Amendment, that was changed, stripping the State Governments of representation, and giving us two houses of government elected Democratically. I don't think that was an improvement.

[sneakypete]

Yup.  Delight in tossing out Republican "moderates" even if the end result is more Democrats is the textbook example of cutting off one's nose to spite the face.

@Jazzhead

Getting beaten is better than surrendering without a fight. If you only vote for conservative candidates,you don't have to listen to that constant whine from the Bush-Bot side of the Republican Party about how you "need to vote for shitheads like Snarlin' Arlen to keep our majority",and then watch him vote with the Dims on every issue.

It was people like you that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory after conservatives took over control of congress,and many,many Dims switched over to claim to be Republicans so they could get re-elected. How about telling us all how wonderfully THAT plan worked?

I may get beaten,but I am NOT going to give up without a fight.

[sneakypete]

IMO this all or nothing thinking is a sign of low intelligence.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Just remember,you were the one that admitted to thinking that the way to win was to surrender,and THEN you call those who disagree with that brain fart "stupid"?

[sneakypete]

Not so much. COnstantly "compromising" with the other side to the point that each compromise is just a slightly smaller loss isn't a sign of high order intelligence. At some point things are no longer negotiable. In or out. All or nothing. Take it or leave it. It's part of the art of the deal. Never not be willing to get up and walk away from the table.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @Smokin Joe

You either stand for something,or you will stand for anything,as long as you can convince yourself that you are "winning".

One day you might care to take a look at what you have "'won" by hiding your head in the sand while pulling the lever.

[sneakypete]

You're a prime example of what I said. Living in a democracy means compromise is inevitable.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Maybe you should try to explain that to your Dim masters?

[sneakypete]

Democratic Republic. Democratic is the modifier. It tells what type of Republic we have, as opposed to a Socialist Republic, for instance. It is still a Republic, NOT a Democracy, which would have everything up for a popular vote.

@Smokin Joe

Someone correct me if I am wrong,but aren't/weren't most communist slave states self-identified as "The Democratic Republic of ......."? Yeah,some use the adjective "People's" instead of "Democratic",but they are both essentially the word in this context.

I have no trouble at all believing that FDR's "Kindly Uncle Joe",Mao,Castro,etc,etc,etc were Democrats.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Just remember,you were the one that admitted to thinking that the way to win was to surrender,and THEN you call those who disagree with that brain fart "stupid"?

Calling people "stupid" or "low intelligence" is just another way to bully somebody into acquiesce by goading.  See parable "Emperor's New Clothes."  That said, there are certainly plenty of ignorant people running around.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That said, there are certainly plenty of ignorant people running around.

Yes there are.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Dude...This is a Republic, not a Democracy. A democracy is two wolves and a lamb finalizing the dinner menu.

I agree, a huge difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

Founders never envisioned this country as a Democracy, which put simply means that the 'people' decide everything.  That will never work, and hasn't worked since people have been around.  Why?  Cause people tend to be unfocused and can be manipulated into doing stupid and wrong things.  They need leadership.

Republics allow the people to decide, but provide a leadership mechanism to do so.  Called 'the will of the people', it has safeguards in place to not, for instance, allow people to vote themselves a raise.

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree, a huge difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

Founders never envisioned this country as a Democracy, which put simply means that the 'people' decide everything.  That will never work, and hasn't worked since people have been around.  Why?  Cause people tend to be unfocused and can be manipulated into doing stupid and wrong things.  They need leadership.

Republics allow the people to decide, but provide a leadership mechanism to do so.  Called 'the will of the people', it has safeguards in place to not, for instance, allow people to vote themselves a raise.

No, instead they vote for people who will give raises on their behalf.  Just one extra step. Bribing the voters with the taxpayers money.  I used to say, "Bribing the voters with their own money," but almost half of the voters don't pay taxes.

[sneakypete]

No, instead they vote for people who will give raises on their behalf.  Just one extra step. Bribing the voters with the taxpayers money.  I used to say, "Bribing the voters with their own money," but almost half of the voters don't pay taxes.

@Cyber Liberty

And the current strategy by our masters seems to be to import even more people into the country who  will be dependent on welfare and other public money,because our Masters know these people will vote for them.

After all,you can't keep stealing from the Federal Treasury and selling access if you are no longer in office.

[Emjay]

No argument.  But the conservatives that are there are in the GOP.  Including Cruz, who Trump has already claimed to want to primary.

Seems a bit strange huh?

Trump cannot drain the democrat swamp.  It is bottomless.

He probably expected a little more support from Republicans.

As far as Trump saying he wants to primary Cruz, I would be very surprised if he actually said that.

Cruz has not been his enemy.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No, instead they vote for people who will give raises on their behalf.  Just one extra step. Bribing the voters with the taxpayers money.  I used to say, "Bribing the voters with their own money," but almost half of the voters don't pay taxes.

That extra step is important.

It used to be almost all politicians could be dependent upon putting the country first, and patriotism is what the voters wanted. Now voters declare themselves first, and want to vote in politicians who will enhance the voter's own priorities rather than the country's. Hence, we have welfare as our biggest spend.

[Smokin Joe]

Trump cannot drain the democrat swamp.  It is bottomless.

He probably expected a little more support from Republicans.

As far as Trump saying he wants to primary Cruz, I would be very surprised if he actually said that.

Cruz has not been his enemy.

Gee, that isn't what Roger Stone said.